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Old 05-05-2012, 09:26 AM   #1
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It's been mentioned over and over again that people are going to wait till there's a new stepping of Ivy Bridge that will run cooler. Is this intel's usual practice or just wishful thinking on people's part?
I'm asking cause I want to buy a 3770 and can wait for a better chip if need be.
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:32 AM   #2
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Usual practice though impractical as it is only speculation and may even take 6 months and may or may not be better. And stock performance will still be the same
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The changes Ivy "needs" is beyond a stepping change.
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:51 AM   #4
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It's been mentioned over and over again that people are going to wait till there's a new stepping of Ivy Bridge that will run cooler. Is this intel's usual practice or just wishful thinking on people's part?
I'm asking cause I want to buy a 3770 and can wait for a better chip if need be.

3770k at stock runs cool. My idle temps are 25c and load is 58c. Yes its a little hotter than SB but I don't see an issue here

At stock its about 5-8c hotter at load, that is it. When overclocking it can be up to 20c hotter but still, you are overclocking and Intel is not going to release a better stepping just because its too hot 1000mhz over it's base clock. I bet they have enough chips made right now to last them a year.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:00 AM   #5
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The changes Ivy "needs" is beyond a stepping change.
What changes does ivy need? Ivy runs warm because the heatsink cannot transfer heat away fast enough because the die is so small. This is only an issue for overclockers as at stock speeds and voltage you could passively cool this processor. There is no magic bullet here that will fix this. The heat issue will only get worse as intel goes smaller. Broadwell at 14nm might not even get past 4.5ghz
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:57 AM   #6
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There is no magic bullet here that will fix this. The heat issue will only get worse as intel goes smaller. Broadwell at 14nm might not even get past 4.5ghz
Intel may need active CPU cooling of some kind. Carbon nanotube CPU cooling seems like a possible method that would serve this purpose. Research done at Purdue University using vertical carbon nanotubes:
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/html4ever/....vertical.html
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Intel may need active CPU cooling of some kind. Carbon nanotube CPU cooling seems like a possible method that would serve this purpose. Research done at Purdue University using vertical carbon nanotubes:
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/html4ever/....vertical.html
Heatsink design needs to change as chips get smaller.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:18 AM   #8
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What's funny is I was going to buy a 2700K for the HyperThreading and overclockability and MicroCenter has the 3770K for only $10 more. So that put a wrench in the gears for a bit but I guess for $10 more only it's a no brainer. It's reading about all the complaing about the heat that held me off.
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What's funny is I was going to buy a 2700K for the HyperThreading and overclockability and MicroCenter has the 3770K for only $10 more. So that put a wrench in the gears for a bit but I guess for $10 more only it's a no brainer. It's reading about all the complaing about the heat that held me off.
Only people complaining are sandy bridge owners who's chips are now 2nd best
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:22 AM   #10
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It's reading about all the complaing about the heat that held me off.
The temp is very manageable if you're going for 4.5GHz or somewhere near that. Core i5 3570K 4.5GHz @ 1.295V only added about 10-13C more to my load temps from stock settings.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:23 AM   #11
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Sheeesh, both the MicroCenter's by my house are out of stock of the 3770k's now but have plenty 2700's.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:25 AM   #12
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Sheeesh, both the MicroCenter's by my house are out of stock of the 3770k's now but have plenty 2700's.
Because no one wants a 2700K. Whats the point in buying a 15 month old processor when a 3770K is 10 dollars more? Sandy Bridge guys can complain all they want about ivy being warmer but the fact is clock for clock ivy is faster and uses less power.
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:30 PM   #13
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Because no one wants a 2700K. Whats the point in buying a 15 month old processor when a 3770K is 10 dollars more? Sandy Bridge guys can complain all they want about ivy being warmer but the fact is clock for clock ivy is faster and uses less power.
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:32 PM   #14
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sb owners so far have not shown their temps at 5.1[prime stable], but laugh at ib 4.8 temps ,both getting the same points in most benches.
-could it be most sb can't get to 5.1 10hrs p95 stable ?

-ib is at E1 so new stepping are unlikely , but the tweaks in the process could tighten the large swings in voltage\heat per clock in the newer batches ,give it 2-3 weeks for the newest batches to hit the net.
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:41 PM   #15
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What changes does ivy need? Ivy runs warm because the heatsink cannot transfer heat away fast enough because the die is so small. This is only an issue for overclockers as at stock speeds and voltage you could passively cool this processor. There is no magic bullet here that will fix this. The heat issue will only get worse as intel goes smaller. Broadwell at 14nm might not even get past 4.5ghz
Yeah I don't get why everyone making a big deal, I have not overclocked my system, not even sure if I will it is so super fast as it is, I mean playing BF3 @ 1080p with all ultra settings is just an amazing experience. Getting 85 FPS on average with no stuttering what else can I ask for?

At stock, I am getting 28 idle, and 58 on full load that is pretty good
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What changes does ivy need? Ivy runs warm because the heatsink cannot transfer heat away fast enough because the die is so small. This is only an issue for overclockers as at stock speeds and voltage you could passively cool this processor. There is no magic bullet here that will fix this. The heat issue will only get worse as intel goes smaller. Broadwell at 14nm might not even get past 4.5ghz
Please note "needs" in quotations.
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Heatsink design needs to change as chips get smaller.
I think they'll eventually change it when the stock heatsink starts having trouble with stock speeds
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I think they'll eventually change it when the stock heatsink starts having trouble with stock speeds
Not good enuf
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I think they'll eventually change it when the stock heatsink starts having trouble with stock speeds
The intel supplied heatsink perhaps, but that's of no consequence to most of us.
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The intel supplied heatsink perhaps, but that's of no consequence to most of us.
They should charge a bit more and include something like a 212 evo plus
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They should charge a bit more and include something like a 212 evo plus
I disagree. Makes no sense from a business perspective. All that will do is increase the cost to everyone and benefit almost no one since the stock Intel hsf is adequate for the vast majority. Then there's the fact that many people aren't using towers to build their systems, but much smaller micro atx/itx cases. So now you have a scenario where the processor not only costs more but the consumer incurs an additional cost buy having to purchase a HSF that will fit.
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IB is fine, runs cooler @ factory setings
overclokers represent just 1% or thereabouts of intel customers. A revision is not needed to please that small crowd
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Ivy isn't that bad temp wise until you start throwing like 1.3v and up at it...considering its default voltage is 1.05v or so that's not surprising. It's being blown out of proportion.

I don't think a new stepping is going to magically reduce temps either - it's a physics problem is it not? Maybe if you wait a while a more mature stepping will get you another 100mhz at the same voltage or something but accounting for differences in individual chips it'll still be a lottery.
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IB is not going to run cooler unless Intel decides to switch from thermal paste back to solder.
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IB is not going to run cooler unless Intel decides to switch from thermal paste back to solder.
Not going to run much cooler even if they did that
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