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Old 03-21-2012, 11:55 AM   #3526
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the whole point of self-defense is to stop a potential savage beating.
Which has got what to do with spidey's delusions?
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:57 AM   #3527
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Again with the "criminal act" strawman. I'm not claiming that it was. Merely that Zimmerman did in fact get out of his own car and chase Martin.
pay attention. only a provable criminal act by Z can invalidate SYG and lead to an arrest. the chase is not a criminal act and so does not invalidate SYG
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:57 AM   #3528
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Which has got what to do with spidey's delusions?
Nothing. But there are people asking, "where are Z's injuries" and that's the answer. HE prevented serious injury in firing the gun.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:58 AM   #3529
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pay attention. only a provable criminal act by Z can invalidate SYG and lead to an arrest. the chase is not a criminal act and so does not invalidate SYG
You need to pay attention to what conversation you're addressing/quoting. The current quote chain between us has nothing to do with how you're responding. Go back and check.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:58 AM   #3530
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Zimmerman grabbing Martin to stop him from running. Assault.
I thought that was likely but there's no evidence. It is possible.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:58 AM   #3531
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As soon as Zimmerman got out of the car, he initiated that Martin needed to defend himself. If Martin had had a gun according to the idiot law, he would have been well within his rights to blast away.

Stupid macho wild west laws promoted by the NRA and ALEC.
Exactly.

You have offense and defense. The killer was clearly the offensive party since he was stalking the victim and initiating the confrontation even after he was told by law enforcement to stay away.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:58 AM   #3532
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:59 AM   #3533
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stalking is against the law. T felt his life was in danger and had the right to self defense. Phone call to girlfriend confirms.
stalking is a pattern of behavior over a length of time. This all happened within 30 minutes.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:00 PM   #3534
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Again with the "criminal act" strawman. I'm not claiming that it was. Merely that Zimmerman did in fact get out of his own car and chase Martin.
What evidence do you have of a chase? So far the only evidence is a follow. Then Martin approaching zimmerman, "what's your problem", then beating zimmerman.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:00 PM   #3536
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He was NOT told by law enforcement to stay away. Where are you guys making this shit up from? Your head? The media?
Hey spidey, you racist little shit, you probably missed this last night but even the two GOP douchenozzles who cosponsored the Stand your ground law think Zimmerman should be arrested and immunity revoked:

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Old 03-21-2012, 12:01 PM   #3537
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stalking is a pattern of behavior over a length of time. This all happened within 30 minutes.
Stalking is a commonly used term accurately describing what the killer was doing. He was stalking his victim. He called the police and failed to stay in his car despite them telling him to do so. He then killed a child.
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Exactly.

You have offense and defense. The killer was clearly the offensive party since he was stalking the victim and initiating the confrontation even after he was told by law enforcement to stay away.
He was NOT told by law enforcement to stay away. Where are you guys making this shit up from? Your head? The media?
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:01 PM   #3539
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What evidence do you have of a chase? So far the only evidence is a follow. Then Martin approaching zimmerman, "what's your problem", then beating zimmerman.
That is a mighty fine hair you're trying to split with chase/follow.

911 call from Zimmerman. He gets out of his car on his own, is noticeably winded shortly thereafter. Admits to the dispatcher that he is running after Martin.

Martin call to girlfriend, she suggests he run from him. Martin says I'll walk fast away.

Shooting happened a distance away from Zimmerman's car. You do the math.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:02 PM   #3540
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Stalking is a commonly used term accurately describing what the killer was doing. He was stalking his victim. He called the police and failed to stay in his car despite them telling him to do so. He then killed a child.
Look, if following a suspicious person were stalking, then every store owner in the country would be guilty of following potential shoplifters in their store.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:02 PM   #3541
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What evidence do you have of a chase? So far the only evidence is a follow. Then Martin approaching zimmerman, "what's your problem", then beating zimmerman.
He told police I'm going after him followed by heavy breathing.

Do you think Z just decided to break out his Darth Vader imitation for the cops??
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:03 PM   #3542
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He was NOT told by law enforcement to stay away. Where are you guys making this shit up from? Your head? The media?
So the dispatcher telling him not to follow Martin on the 911 call is "making this shit up"??? I want to know what hallucinogens you're on.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:03 PM   #3543
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Look, if following a suspicious person were stalking, then every store owner in the country would be guilty of following potential shoplifters in their store.
Except T wasn't doing anything suspicious. We have proof T felt his life was being threatened.
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Look, if following a suspicious person were stalking, then every store owner in the country would be guilty of following potential shoplifters in their store.
what? that's retarded..
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he told police i'm going after him followed by heavy breathing.

Do you think z just decided to break out his darth vader imitation for the cops??
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:05 PM   #3546
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what? that's retarded..
think about it some more. pretend that you don't know how this all ended. the big picture is that him following/chasing after T to the backyard is not a crime that invalidates SYG.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:07 PM   #3547
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Except T wasn't doing anything suspicious. We have proof T felt his life was being threatened.
suspicions often prove to be mistaken. Being suspicious of someone is not criminal.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:07 PM   #3548
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hypotehtical: you drop your wallet. Good samaritan picks up your wallet and chases after you to return it. You are afraid of him, so you run away.

Is he guilty of a crime?
Did Martin drop his skittles?

And did the person picking up the wallet follow the other guy in a vehicle first?
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:08 PM   #3549
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So the dispatcher telling him not to follow Martin on the 911 call is "making this shit up"??? I want to know what hallucinogens you're on.
A 911 dispatcher is not law enforcement.
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hypotehtical: you drop your wallet. Good samaritan picks up your wallet and chases after you to return it. You are afraid of him, so you run away.

Is he guilty of a crime?
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