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03-21-2012, 11:55 AM
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#3526
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Diamond Member
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Originally Posted by karmypolitics
the whole point of self-defense is to stop a potential savage beating.
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Which has got what to do with spidey's delusions?
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03-21-2012, 11:57 AM
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#3527
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Join Date: Nov 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pens1566
Again with the "criminal act" strawman. I'm not claiming that it was. Merely that Zimmerman did in fact get out of his own car and chase Martin.
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pay attention. only a provable criminal act by Z can invalidate SYG and lead to an arrest. the chase is not a criminal act and so does not invalidate SYG
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03-21-2012, 11:57 AM
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#3528
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Originally Posted by WHAMPOM
Which has got what to do with spidey's delusions?
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Nothing. But there are people asking, "where are Z's injuries" and that's the answer. HE prevented serious injury in firing the gun.
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03-21-2012, 11:58 AM
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by karmypolitics
pay attention. only a provable criminal act by Z can invalidate SYG and lead to an arrest. the chase is not a criminal act and so does not invalidate SYG
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You need to pay attention to what conversation you're addressing/quoting. The current quote chain between us has nothing to do with how you're responding. Go back and check.
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03-21-2012, 11:58 AM
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#3530
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Caveman
Zimmerman grabbing Martin to stop him from running. Assault.
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I thought that was likely but there's no evidence. It is possible.
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03-21-2012, 11:58 AM
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#3531
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,988
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hal2kilo
As soon as Zimmerman got out of the car, he initiated that Martin needed to defend himself. If Martin had had a gun according to the idiot law, he would have been well within his rights to blast away.
Stupid macho wild west laws promoted by the NRA and ALEC.
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Exactly.
You have offense and defense. The killer was clearly the offensive party since he was stalking the victim and initiating the confrontation even after he was told by law enforcement to stay away.
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03-21-2012, 11:58 AM
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Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Originally Posted by Londo_Jowo
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As much credibility as anyone else that has discussed the situation:
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Peter V. Bella is a retired Chicago Police Officer, freelance writer and photographer, cook, and raconteur. He likes to be the sharp stick that pokes, prods, and annoys. His opinions are his and his alone.
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03-21-2012, 11:59 AM
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#3533
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Diamond Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerJS
stalking is against the law. T felt his life was in danger and had the right to self defense. Phone call to girlfriend confirms.
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stalking is a pattern of behavior over a length of time. This all happened within 30 minutes.
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03-21-2012, 12:00 PM
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No Lifer
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 62,907
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pens1566
Again with the "criminal act" strawman. I'm not claiming that it was. Merely that Zimmerman did in fact get out of his own car and chase Martin.
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What evidence do you have of a chase? So far the only evidence is a follow. Then Martin approaching zimmerman, "what's your problem", then beating zimmerman.
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03-21-2012, 12:00 PM
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#3535
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Lifer
Join Date: Nov 1999
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Edit: Timewarp
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03-21-2012, 12:00 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Nov 1999
Posts: 20,196
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spidey07
He was NOT told by law enforcement to stay away. Where are you guys making this shit up from? Your head? The media?
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Hey spidey, you racist little shit, you probably missed this last night but even the two GOP douchenozzles who cosponsored the Stand your ground law think Zimmerman should be arrested and immunity revoked:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/naked...medium=twitter
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03-21-2012, 12:01 PM
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Banned
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Quote:
Originally Posted by karmypolitics
stalking is a pattern of behavior over a length of time. This all happened within 30 minutes.
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Stalking is a commonly used term accurately describing what the killer was doing. He was stalking his victim. He called the police and failed to stay in his car despite them telling him to do so. He then killed a child.
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03-21-2012, 12:01 PM
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No Lifer
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 62,907
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airdata
Exactly.
You have offense and defense. The killer was clearly the offensive party since he was stalking the victim and initiating the confrontation even after he was told by law enforcement to stay away.
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He was NOT told by law enforcement to stay away. Where are you guys making this shit up from? Your head? The media?
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03-21-2012, 12:01 PM
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spidey07
What evidence do you have of a chase? So far the only evidence is a follow. Then Martin approaching zimmerman, "what's your problem", then beating zimmerman.
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That is a mighty fine hair you're trying to split with chase/follow.
911 call from Zimmerman. He gets out of his car on his own, is noticeably winded shortly thereafter. Admits to the dispatcher that he is running after Martin.
Martin call to girlfriend, she suggests he run from him. Martin says I'll walk fast away.
Shooting happened a distance away from Zimmerman's car. You do the math.
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spidey07 The economy did really well under Bush. People want those good times back.
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03-21-2012, 12:02 PM
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airdata
Stalking is a commonly used term accurately describing what the killer was doing. He was stalking his victim. He called the police and failed to stay in his car despite them telling him to do so. He then killed a child.
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Look, if following a suspicious person were stalking, then every store owner in the country would be guilty of following potential shoplifters in their store.
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03-21-2012, 12:02 PM
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#3541
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,342
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spidey07
What evidence do you have of a chase? So far the only evidence is a follow. Then Martin approaching zimmerman, "what's your problem", then beating zimmerman.
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He told police I'm going after him followed by heavy breathing.
Do you think Z just decided to break out his Darth Vader imitation for the cops??
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03-21-2012, 12:03 PM
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#3542
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Diamond Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spidey07
He was NOT told by law enforcement to stay away. Where are you guys making this shit up from? Your head? The media?
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So the dispatcher telling him not to follow Martin on the 911 call is "making this shit up"??? I want to know what hallucinogens you're on.
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spidey07 The economy did really well under Bush. People want those good times back.
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03-21-2012, 12:03 PM
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#3543
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,342
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Quote:
Originally Posted by karmypolitics
Look, if following a suspicious person were stalking, then every store owner in the country would be guilty of following potential shoplifters in their store.
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Except T wasn't doing anything suspicious. We have proof T felt his life was being threatened.
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03-21-2012, 12:04 PM
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No Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Northern IL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by karmypolitics
Look, if following a suspicious person were stalking, then every store owner in the country would be guilty of following potential shoplifters in their store.
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what? that's retarded..
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03-21-2012, 12:05 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by homerjs
he told police i'm going after him followed by heavy breathing.
Do you think z just decided to break out his darth vader imitation for the cops??
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lol +1
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03-21-2012, 12:05 PM
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#3546
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Diamond Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waggy
what? that's retarded..
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think about it some more. pretend that you don't know how this all ended. the big picture is that him following/chasing after T to the backyard is not a crime that invalidates SYG.
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03-21-2012, 12:07 PM
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#3547
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerJS
Except T wasn't doing anything suspicious. We have proof T felt his life was being threatened.
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suspicions often prove to be mistaken. Being suspicious of someone is not criminal.
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03-21-2012, 12:07 PM
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#3548
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Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 29,593
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Quote:
Originally Posted by karmypolitics
hypotehtical: you drop your wallet. Good samaritan picks up your wallet and chases after you to return it. You are afraid of him, so you run away.
Is he guilty of a crime?
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Did Martin drop his skittles?
And did the person picking up the wallet follow the other guy in a vehicle first?
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03-21-2012, 12:08 PM
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#3549
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Platinum Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pens1566
So the dispatcher telling him not to follow Martin on the 911 call is "making this shit up"??? I want to know what hallucinogens you're on.
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A 911 dispatcher is not law enforcement.
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03-21-2012, 12:08 PM
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Diamond Member
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hypotehtical: you drop your wallet. Good samaritan picks up your wallet and chases after you to return it. You are afraid of him, so you run away.
Is he guilty of a crime?
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