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Old 11-09-2011, 12:02 PM   #276
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I mean he's still involved in a charity that helps underprivileged children, so I'm not sure it's necessarily that crazy that he has a little boy with him. It might've been cool for the kid to see a football practice on the field?
If you read the Grand Jury Report, he was banned from entering the campus with children in 2002. These were closed practices he was bringing kids to after 2002.
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Up on CBSNews.com now - Paterno to retire at the end of the year.

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Old 11-09-2011, 12:03 PM   #278
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They are inlcuded. Thats was a blanket statement I made. 20-25 years ago people would be afraid of men stalking young girls. But in this sick age, men are more and more sexually abusing little boys. I don't care if its girl or boy, I just can't fathom how all these people, including Paterno, either seen or was told of this sicko banging little boys and no one called the police. Honestly they all better be fired and if possible be charged. This is unexcusable.
You know, I wanted to make some jokes the other day like, "Boy, I bet the Pope sure is relieved!" ...but thought it in poor taste.




Further: It wasn't like this wasn't going on 20-25, 50, 100 years ago. Remember that the Catholic church (and others) had been doing this for decades, if not centuries. It doesn't make us more sick today simply because it is now out in the public and exposed--it was probably more widespread and underground b/c it of social stigma and ignorance regarding child rape, homosexuality (re: this has nothing to do with homosexuality; just that earlier perceptions of such rape were deemed homosexual, which is patently false. the point being--these issues were never addressed because they were erroneously labeled "homosexual pervert acts" and swept under the rug.)
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If you read the Grand Jury Report, he was banned from entering the campus with children in 2002. These were closed practices he was bringing kids to after 2002.
That makes it even worse. Because if they banned him, then they knew or believed he done these things and yet they still didn't report him to the police.
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they are actually considering letting him coach the rest of the season
official, I guess, though I'm sure others have mentioned this by now. allowing him to retire--this Saturday is his last home game.

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Up on CBSNews.com now - Paterno to retire at the end of the year.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-...abuse-tragedy/
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Only a fool, a complete fool, would not recognize that we have more predators today than ever. It ain't got shit to do with people not talking or reporting stuff.
There may be more today, but I am willing to bet it is only because of population growth.
Percentage of abuse cases to population has probably gone down because of the risk nowadays.
People were more trusting in years past. Now everyone is leery, so the cases have had to gone down.

And stop calling each other idiots when neither of you have any shred of evidence and never will.
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You know, I wanted to make some jokes the other day like, "Boy, I bet the Pope sure is relieved!" ...but thought it in poor taste.


I don't see anywhere in something like this where making jokes should even cross a person's mind.

Just imagine someone you know or a young family member was being molested like this and people knew about it, but did nothing but try to keep some school's reputation intact.
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I guess he's fine with putting himself out for the public pillar of justice. It's going to get real, real ugly when he travels with P State.

Also, it could be that he is honestly clueless as to how serious this is, and how damning his culpability appears. His statment last night in front of his house suggests that Paterno truly believes he can remain on the outside of this.

I'd be surprised if he makes it past the next away game.
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I am not an idiot, dirtbag. Only a fool, a complete fool, would not recognize that we have more predators today than ever. It ain't got shit to do with people not talking or reporting stuff. Society is sicker and more dangerous than ever. Partly because people today like yourself think its safer today, is why those kids were left to the slaughter of this prick in the first place.
Do you have a source that shows that molestation rates have gone up, or is it just a "gut feeling"? You hear about more stuff now than you did 25 years ago because of the internet and news networks that cycle stories in and out much faster than in the past.

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That makes it even worse. Because if they banned him, then they knew or believed he done these things and yet they still didn't report him to the police.
That I agree with. What fucking kills me is several people at the university KNEW that he had been accused of various types of child rape on multiple occasions, and some of them circulated the claims around ineffectively, but when the guy kept showing up, they didn't continue to pursue the issue.

What if you heard about one of your coworkers raping children and years after the fact, he was still working there? Is it acceptable to tell one person and then declare that your hands are clean and who cares that a child rapist is still going about his business and obviously nothing has been done to stop him?

Paterno needs to go along with a bunch of other people... basically whoever hasn't already left.
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I guess he's fine with putting himself out for the public pillar of justice. It's going to get real, real ugly when he travels with P State.

Also, it could be that he is honestly clueless as to how serious this is, and how damning his culpability appears. His statment last night in front of his house suggests that Paterno truly believes he can remain on the outside of this.

I'd be surprised if he makes it past the next away game.
He's pretty senile. He hasn't made much sense in 10 years.
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:15 PM   #287
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paterno will regret finishing out the season. quicker all these people disappear, the quicker penn state can start shoveling their reputation out of the gutter.
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There may be more today, but I am willing to bet it is only because of population growth.
Percentage of abuse cases to population has probably gone down because of the risk nowadays.
People were more trusting in years past. Now everyone is leery, so the cases have had to gone down.

And stop calling each other idiots when neither of you have any shred of evidence and never will.
More trusting years ago. I doubt that, seriously. Back in the day, most parents aren't letting their kids study at some teachers house. Or take alone trips with some coach. Now this is a bit different, because he apparently targeted kids from broken homes, where parental supervision was already broken in some way.


Now this is my opinion....

I believe across the board that the criminal mind has always been this bad. But today because of the information age, that mind of 20-30 years ago whose sick thoughts may have stayed dormant, today has avenues in which to embolden that mind to act on those sick thoughts.
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They bring in millions of dollars per year for the University. They wont shut that down. Clean house, yes, I hope. Also the players are innocent in this and shouldn't be penalized imo.
It's still a drop in the bucket compared to the revenue a major university brings in from its actual product: education and research. You think Michigan or OSU wouldn't survive and profit considerably without their NCAA program? rofl.

I wouldn't say that a suspension of the football program at PSU is entirely out of order.
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I guess he's fine with putting himself out for the public pillar of justice. It's going to get real, real ugly when he travels with P State.

Also, it could be that he is honestly clueless as to how serious this is, and how damning his culpability appears. His statment last night in front of his house suggests that Paterno truly believes he can remain on the outside of this.

I'd be surprised if he makes it past the next away game.
It's going to be brutal for him and the team at the Horseshoe and Camp Randall in the coming weeks.
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I think we're allowing our emotions to overwhelm common sense. Pedophilia is a heinous, heinous crime, and well deserving of punishment, and it certainly seems as though Sandusky is guilty. But all we have now is Grand Jury testimony. There hasn't been a trial, there hasn't been a conviction. Calling for everyone's head on a pike is an emotional response to a heinous issue, but to say that if everyone involved in Penn State athletics isn't fired in the next two days it's a travesty? That's a little bit of an over-reaction.

What if we took this hardline, "we must act immediately" stance with everything? Remember the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal a few years back? "Fire the entire athletic department!" Oh, wait, turns out the charges were completely fraudulent... well, I guess we goofed. If the entire athletic department HAD been immediately fired, how many lawsuits would Duke have had to deal with?

The Duke case is certainly different in that this case seems to be a LOT stronger; let's face it, no one thinks Sandusky DIDN'T do it. But just because it is an emotional issue, we can't abandon all logic and reason. An immediate emotional response to this visceral issue is what we want, but it is not going to be sensible. I would rather the school looked into the evidence carefully and made specific calls as to who was complicit rather than getting caught up in the hysteria of "kill them all." We cannot abandon reason in the face of tragedy. There's a system of rules and laws in place for a reason, and even when we feel they aren't bringing us the immediate justice we crave, they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
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The way I see this is I could give him a pass if there was just one occurrence, for me though if I am having to repeatedly discuss the issue with officials at the college then I go to the police. One time you might just refer it to higher ups, 2, 3, 4, 5 + it is your responsibility as a human being to go to the police.
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That makes it even worse. Because if they banned him, then they knew or believed he done these things and yet they still didn't report him to the police.
thank you captain obvious.
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<--------------------- Legends and Liars shirt PSU was selling.


It's good to see that the clothing stores in Happy Valley are no longer selling the Legends and Liars Tshirts.

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I am not going to go down that road, but that would be completely wrong IMO. 20 years ago a sicko like this wouldn't be able to feed his deviant mind with images of this kind of stuff. Predators like this keep themselves stimulated with child like porn. Child porn is far more accessible today than 20 years ago. We have way more "outreach" groups today, just like this one this guy used, to bring together children. Thus allowing predators like this to pick and choose kids that could be exploited.
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which is probably evidence for there being less predators today. no outlet for that shit, dude's gonna go out and rape.

There was a much larger, much tighter "buddy" culture 20 and more years ago, where this kind of thing was simply swept away by pals. I think we are simply more aware, and more vigilant today, because we have become sick of that buddy culture. That, alone, suggests that such incidents are on the decline.

Difference is that we actually have reports now. This case is already more than 10 year-old. and whenever this breaks, you start seeing more and more victims come to light. There's already 20 now?

Thing is, classy, you'll very seldom here about male victims of sexual abuse. They keep this shit inside their entire lives, due to shame, emasculation, all of the stigma associated with them being violated, regardless of age. it sticks with them. These kind of monsters could freely hide behind social constraints of their good -ol boys club and stigmas attached to the shame and criminality of sexual abuse.

It's much, much harder to hide these days.

Child rape is documented as far back as Ancient Greece--that's roughly 300 BC. I'm sure it goes further back, and is perhaps documented as well, but this is something that has been around as long as civilization.
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More trusting years ago. I doubt that, seriously. Back in the day, most parents aren't letting their kids study at some teachers house. Or take alone trips with some coach. Now this is a bit different, because he apparently targeted kids from broken homes, where parental supervision was already broken in some way.

I remember when my mom would ask me where I was going and what time I would be home, parents tended to keep better track of their kids than they do now. A lot of parents , both work and they leave the kids to determine where they should be and what they should do. Parents in general kept up more with what their kids were experiencing and families talked a lot more. Things like everyone sitting down at the dinner table are gone.
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He's pretty senile. He hasn't made much sense in 10 years.
What about the current staff that is allowing him to finish the year out?

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The Duke case is certainly different in that this case seems to be a LOT stronger; let's face it, no one thinks Sandusky DIDN'T do it. But just because it is an emotional issue, we can't abandon all logic and reason. An immediate emotional response to this visceral issue is what we want, but it is not going to be sensible. I would rather the school looked into the evidence carefully and made specific calls as to who was complicit rather than getting caught up in the hysteria of "kill them all." We cannot abandon reason in the face of tragedy. There's a system of rules and laws in place for a reason, and even when we feel they aren't bringing us the immediate justice we crave, they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
Here's the problem though: Even if PSU thinks with logic and takes their sweet old time sorting through this, their rep is in further in the gutter as each day passes. People, including recruits, want to see this handled in a swift but just manner or they will lose faith in the school and de-commit. Time is most certainly of the essence, especially with the damning evidence available. I don't envy the trustees that have to handle this crap.

If PSU wants to save their rep, they should just houseclean and let everyone heal from what is possibly the most heinous act ever committed in college sports. Comparing this to the Duke case is laughable, 20+ young boys' lives have been shattered vs a stupid stripper's questionable allegations. I see your logic for the Duke case, but this case is a freaking travesty of epic proportions. Come on dude.
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I think we're allowing our emotions to overwhelm common sense. Pedophilia is a heinous, heinous crime, and well deserving of punishment, and it certainly seems as though Sandusky is guilty. But all we have now is Grand Jury testimony. There hasn't been a trial, there hasn't been a conviction. Calling for everyone's head on a pike is an emotional response to a heinous issue, but to say that if everyone involved in Penn State athletics isn't fired in the next two days it's a travesty? That's a little bit of an over-reaction.

What if we took this hardline, "we must act immediately" stance with everything? Remember the Duke Lacrosse rape scandal a few years back? "Fire the entire athletic department!" Oh, wait, turns out the charges were completely fraudulent... well, I guess we goofed. If the entire athletic department HAD been immediately fired, how many lawsuits would Duke have had to deal with?

The Duke case is certainly different in that this case seems to be a LOT stronger; let's face it, no one thinks Sandusky DIDN'T do it. But just because it is an emotional issue, we can't abandon all logic and reason. An immediate emotional response to this visceral issue is what we want, but it is not going to be sensible. I would rather the school looked into the evidence carefully and made specific calls as to who was complicit rather than getting caught up in the hysteria of "kill them all." We cannot abandon reason in the face of tragedy. There's a system of rules and laws in place for a reason, and even when we feel they aren't bringing us the immediate justice we crave, they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
Simply put, imo you need to learn more about what are known facts in this situation, and stop suggesting an irrational lynch mob mentality is what's going on here.
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What about the current staff that is allowing him to finish the year out?

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What makes you think they are letting him finish the year out? That's just what JoePa announced. The board of trustees is in a series of meetings (with the Gov of PA included) to develop their own plan of action. It isn't going to happen overnight. Not sure why anyone expects all these people to be fired immediately.

The University isn't run by one person...
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