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Old 08-20-2011, 09:33 PM   #1
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Default Underage girls have the right upload lewd pics of selves

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_929394.html

Well, lewd is not being nude. If they were actually nude, then it's straight considered child pornography punishable to both the viewer and the girl herself.

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Old 08-20-2011, 09:42 PM   #2
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Where have all the parents gone?
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Where have all the parents gone?
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Gone AWOL everyone.
When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn?
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:24 PM   #3
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Well, lewd is not being nude. If they were actually nude, then it's straight considered child pornography punishable to both the viewer and the girl herself.
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:27 PM   #4
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Would masterbation then be rape?
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:50 PM   #5
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Where has the mind of Ironwing gone never existent, as he suffers from a chronic case of anal cranial inversion. As our sick and sex obsessed society teaches young girls their value as human beings is mostly dependent on their sexuality.

Add in the technology that makes it readily possible, and it does much to explain why many young girls exploit the new technology.

Yet IronWing blames only parents when the real cause is our sick sex hung up social values. As we make elevate to hero status various female sex pots and also make hero's out of males who screw as many women as possible. What chance do ordinary parents have when they are so square as to have family values? There is no social status to be gained there in our society.
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Old 08-20-2011, 10:56 PM   #6
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shouldnt similar apply to boss's checking out employees facebook's and firing them based on something they said or some photo or whatever.
But in regards to this case, i don't think there are too many teens in general who don't do something lewd in some form or fashion, sounds like they were just being typical young girls with the difference they took pics and posted it.
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:07 AM   #7
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Where has the mind of Ironwing gone never existent, as he suffers from a chronic case of anal cranial inversion. As our sick and sex obsessed society teaches young girls their value as human beings is mostly dependent on their sexuality.

Add in the technology that makes it readily possible, and it does much to explain why many young girls exploit the new technology.

Yet IronWing blames only parents when the real cause is our sick sex hung up social values. As we make elevate to hero status various female sex pots and also make hero's out of males who screw as many women as possible. What chance do ordinary parents have when they are so square as to have family values? There is no social status to be gained there in our society.

Bullshit. Parents have far more influence over their children than "society" does. Is TV filled with inappropriate messages? Turn that shit off. Ditto for the internet. Ditto for magazines. I agree that modern American culture has warped standards relating to sexuality. The way to fix this is one family at a time by parents taking the time to pay attention to the barrage of crap flung at their children and then talking to their kids about it.
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:10 AM   #8
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Bullshit. Parents have far more influence over their children than "society" does. Is TV filled with inappropriate messages? Turn that shit off. Ditto for the internet. Ditto for magazines. I agree that modern American culture has warped standards relating to sexuality. The way to fix this is one family at a time by parents taking the time to pay attention to the barrage of crap flung at their children and then talking to their kids about it.
There is absolutely no way you can protect a child from these messages in this day in age. However, it is much easier psychologically to blame parents then to think about our society having deeper culturally rooted problems.
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There is absolutely no way you can protect a child from these messages in this day in age. However, it is much easier psychologically to blame parents then to think about our society having deeper culturally rooted problems.
I don't expect parents to be able to shield their children all of society's faults, only to tell their children that these faults are in fact faults and not acceptable. Again, society can't function en mass to fix this type of issue, it has to be fixed one person at a time.
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I don't expect parents to be able to shield their children all of society's faults, only to tell their children that these faults are in fact faults and not acceptable. Again, society can't function en mass to fix this type of issue, it has to be fixed one person at a time.
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:23 AM   #11
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These were (admittedly lewd) non-nude pictures the girls took of themselves at a sleepover and posted on Facebook. The principal of their school took disciplinary action against them EVEN THOUGH THE SCHOOL WAS NOT INVOLVED AT ALL.

Funny thing is many so-called conservatives here would have absolutely no problem with the nanny state action the principal took-because it offends their sense of "decency" despite the lack of nexus with school.

Ironwing do you think the school has any authority to act here regarding what the girls did at home? On what basis?
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Where has the mind of Ironwing gone never existent, as he suffers from a chronic case of anal cranial inversion. As our sick and sex obsessed society teaches young girls their value as human beings is mostly dependent on their sexuality.

Add in the technology that makes it readily possible, and it does much to explain why many young girls exploit the new technology.

Yet IronWing blames only parents when the real cause is our sick sex hung up social values. As we make elevate to hero status various female sex pots and also make hero's out of males who screw as many women as possible. What chance do ordinary parents have when they are so square as to have family values? There is no social status to be gained there in our society.
So it's either the parents' fault, or Hollywood liberals pushing sexertainment. Check.
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:27 AM   #13
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Ironwing do you think the school has any authority to act here regarding what the girls did at home? On what basis?
No, the school should have had no involvement. Some states require schools to report certain types of behavior to police or child welfare. Whether one agrees with such laws, if this state had one on the books then the school should have followed protocol and otherwise butted out.
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:55 AM   #14
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While I don't think this sort of thing is good, why the hell did the principal of the school get involved when there was no school involvement whatsoever? If you want to inform the parents that's one thing, but it's not your job to begin doling out punishment for things they do after 3:00 that are in no way related to the school.
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:26 PM   #15
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Nope, it's prostitution.
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The funny thing is that the idea of this stuff being "illegal" (in quotes here because what these kids did WASN'T illegal) is nominally to protect the kids. So why punish the kids themselves?

Reality is that people want to punish young girls for perceived "immoral" sexual behavior, and this has nothing to do at all with protecting children.
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Old 08-21-2011, 02:38 PM   #17
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I don't expect parents to be able to shield their children all of society's faults, only to tell their children that these faults are in fact faults and not acceptable. Again, society can't function en mass to fix this type of issue, it has to be fixed one person at a time.
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Parents have by far the most influence on kids. Society has some pretty messed up ideas and parents are there to teach them about right and wrong. That is a parent's biggest responsibility and unfortunately many abdicate it to Hollywood.


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The funny thing is that the idea of this stuff being "illegal" (in quotes here because what these kids did WASN'T illegal) is nominally to protect the kids. So why punish the kids themselves?

Reality is that people want to punish young girls for perceived "immoral" sexual behavior, and this has nothing to do at all with protecting children.
Wait, what? Parents see kids doing something they perceive as being lewd and immoral. Parents punish kids for their actions (presumably the parents had already told kids the do's and dont's in their home). Do you not think bad behavior should have consequences attached to it? Isn't holding kids accountable for immoral actions helping to protect them from it?
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Prior to the first sleepover, the girls bought phallic-shaped rainbow colored lollipops. During the first sleepover, the girls took a number of photographs of themselves sucking on the lollipops. In one, three girls are pictured and M.K. added the caption "Wanna suck on my c**k." In another photograph, a fully-clothed M.K. is sucking on one lollipop while another lollipop is positioned between her legs and a fully-clothed T.V. is pretending to suck on it.

During another sleepover, T.V. took a picture of M.K. and another girl pretending to kiss each other. At a final slumber party, more pictures were taken with M.K. wearing lingerie and the other girls in pajamas. One of these pictures shows M.K. standing talking on the phone while another girl holds one of her legs up in the air, with T.V. holding a toy trident as if protruding from her crotch and pointing between M.K.'s legs. In another, T.V. is shown bent over with M.K. poking the trident between her buttocks. A third picture shows T.V. positioned behind another kneeling girl as if engaging in anal sex. In another picture, M.K. poses with money stuck into her lingerie -- stripper-style.
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Wait, what? Parents see kids doing something they perceive as being lewd and immoral. Parents punish kids for their actions (presumably the parents had already told kids the do's and dont's in their home). Do you not think bad behavior should have consequences attached to it?
Yes, something "should" be done. That doesn't mean we need laws in place for punishment. My bar is much higher when it comes to the state holding people accountable for something. Prosecuting indiscreet teens as child porn publishers, often branding them for life as sex offenders does nothing good.
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Well, lewd is not being nude. If they were actually nude, then it's straight considered child pornography punishable to both the viewer and the girl herself.
doenst child porn have to be pics of kids engaged in sex acts?
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This thread is win.
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I feel like people are getting WAY too worked up about this ruling. All it said is that a principal can't punish students for something they did that some find objectionable, but that is NOT illegal, outside of school. Ignoring the fact that it can loosely be tied to sex, which always causes ridiculous moral panics, does anyone REALLY support the idea of a high school principal being the morality police for things that take place outside of school?
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Wait, what? Parents see kids doing something they perceive as being lewd and immoral. Parents punish kids for their actions (presumably the parents had already told kids the do's and dont's in their home). Do you not think bad behavior should have consequences attached to it? Isn't holding kids accountable for immoral actions helping to protect them from it?
Any accountability should end with the parents. Neither the principle of the school nor the legal system as a whole have any place in judging or applying any punishment to these girls.
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This thread is win.
no. for it to be win we need the pictures!


my thoughts are the school should have NO say in what the kids do outside of the school day. UNLESS it has to do with the school itself. such as threats to blow it up, pics of drinking (can't drink if on sports teams) etc.

but something like this? fuck them. the school overstepped its authority.
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no. for it to be win we need the pictures!


my thoughts are the school should have NO say in what the kids do outside of the school day. UNLESS it has to do with the school itself. such as threats to blow it up, pics of drinking (can't drink if on sports teams) etc.

but something like this? fuck them. the school overstepped its authority.
100% agree. how far does the schools authority go? if my son doesnt take out the garbage like he is suppose to is the school going to give him detention?
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