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Old 05-14-2011, 11:47 PM   #1
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I am interested in upgrading my old P35 system to a Z68 chip-based system. However, it appears there is no integrated IDE or Floppy support. I believe I am out-of-luck with the floppy but what about using my current IDE DVD drive with a Z68 board? Is there an IDE controller I can use with Win7 and to boot to the DVD drive, if needed? If so, what is a good make/model. (I realize a new drive woule be fairly inexpensive but would prefer to use what already have) thanks for any insight -
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Old 05-14-2011, 11:56 PM   #2
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I am interested in upgrading my old P35 system to a Z68 chip-based system. However, it appears there is no integrated IDE or Floppy support. I believe I am out-of-luck with the floppy but what about using my current IDE DVD drive with a Z68 board? Is there an IDE controller I can use with Win7 and to boot to the DVD drive, if needed? If so, what is a good make/model. (I realize a new drive woule be fairly inexpensive but would prefer to use what already have) thanks for any insight -
With all due respect - for like 20 bucks you can get a brand new SATA drive that is likely faster than your old one. Why futz around with IDE controllers etc.....just do it right.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:08 AM   #3
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The IDE controller probably cost as much or more than a new SATA DVD drive itself. I have 2 IDE DVD drives that lay around the house and I can't make use of it once I build a new SD or IB system.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:17 AM   #4
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unfortunately, I have an Antec ivory-colored case. A black DVD drive with an Ivory case will look ghetto.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:37 AM   #5
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Spray paint the DVD's face plate to match the color of your case ?

Beige color DVD drive is available on Newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827118041
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:50 AM   #6
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If a controller card will not work, that looks like the best/only option - I am a religious subscriber to Newegg but missed that one - thanks!
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Old 05-15-2011, 09:25 AM   #7
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unfortunately, I have an Antec ivory-colored case. A black DVD drive with an Ivory case will look ghetto.
The '90s called ; they want the case back.

Get one of these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-2-1-IDE-SATA...item1c19c8893c

Or try to find a Lite-On LH-20A1L-06; it appears to be discontinued now, but it came with an optional white bezel.

edit: I missed that Sony drive also -- Newegg search on white drives didn't bring it up. (?)

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Old 05-15-2011, 09:36 AM   #8
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You could try an SATA/IDE Adapter.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822998001
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Old 05-15-2011, 10:12 AM   #9
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Dont mess around, get a modern SATA drive. In fact, that it is a relatively slow optical device is probably more important to have SATA in any multi-tasking environment as SATA is more SCSI like (ie, more intelligence/smarts in the controller).
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if ya don't want to buy a new drive at the moment, these work fine. I have used similar ones in the past.
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If you don't need the integrated graphics support of the Z68 there a couple of P67 boards with IDE connectors. If you do go with the Z68 you're not out of luck as far a floppy drive connector goes, as ASRock has a couple boards with that.

Doesn't your Antec case have a door covering the drive bays anyways? I've got a beige DVD and a beidge floppy drives in my black Antec case, but with the door closed it hardly looks ghetto.

Otherwise I'd get something like that SATA to IDE adapter linked above. An PCI IDE controller might not be able to boot off an ATAPI device like a DVD drive.
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Old 05-15-2011, 02:33 PM   #12
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Spray painting the bezel works beautifully, if you take your time.
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Spray painting the bezel works beautifully, if you take your time.
or you could spray paint the case and bezel to get a perfect match.
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Old 05-15-2011, 03:18 PM   #14
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No offense but you are letting the aesthetics (and cheapness) dictate? You are buying a new PC to have the latest, greatest and fastest, but you want to reuse an old, inferior $20 part primarily because it matches with your case? Spray paint a new one, or spend another $30-50 for a new black case if you are that worried about looking ghetto. I assume you are not starving for money, so what is a few extra bucks over the next 3 years of using your PC?
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Old 05-15-2011, 07:52 PM   #15
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I guess the time is now to make the case change, to gain functionality. I knew I was going to drop some change in a case someday, I was just trying to hang on to the old carcass, since it has served so well over the years. I have had this chassis since the PIII days and have not found any faults with it until now! It must be getting close to 10yrs old... In any case, (no pun intended), I may have to replace the old skin wth the LIAN LI PC-A71F.
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You may want to take a look at the Antec P183 V3 case.

It's silence, has good airflow, has good front filters to minimize the amount of dust entering your case, has a front door which will hide any color incompatibility between your DVD drive the case itself. It's a well built and sturdy case which will last a long long time or until you're sick of looking at it.
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Again I'll warn you. I have IDE controllers and they dont multi-task worth a shit. If you have a slow optical drive on an IDE controller it can really hurt overall system performance if you are trying to do something with it such as writing/reading something in the background while you are doing other stuff such as HDD exchanges.

It's just not worth it. Much better black then that.
you might also try to locate a stick on bezel. Beige may be hard to find but brushed aluminum shouldnt. COMP USA used to sell them.
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Good call- that's a beautiful case and actually was my first choice. I still may consider it, since it's $50 less. The Lian Li is also solid in it's own right - just looks like art - a monolithic slab chiseled from a solid block of aluminum. Inside, the engineering is impressive, as well. Thanks for the reminder!
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yes, I hear you about the performance/reliability aspect of using a 3rd part controller to take over bus communication responsibilities. Typically, asking for trouble... Good point about the SATA more like SCSI - would rather use a interface with SCSI-like command set if given the option at a reasonable price - this is it
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Good point about the SATA more like SCSI - would rather use a interface with SCSI-like command set if given the option at a reasonable price - this is it
Actually ATAPI, the protocol use to talk to optical drives over both PATA (IDE) and SATA connections, is a SCSI-like command set. The regular ATA protocol, used with both PATA and SATA to talk to hard drives, isn't. Whether or not you use IDE or SATA isn't going to change anything as far the style of command set used.

That's why using the SATA to IDE converter is a cheap and almost foolproof solution for your problem as originally posed. It only has to convert the between the two at a very low level. It doesn't have to change the commands being sent.
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Good to know. My system is ALL IDE and I can vouch that even with ATAPI, one has to take it carefully if/when attempting to multi-task when including optical operations. The optical drive operations substantially bottleneck total system thru put.

Possible performance related issue regarding use of a separate SATA-IDE controller is that it is a modification of the basic system architecture. No one controller seems to rate five satrs across the board - the implementations and/or their interactions with the systems often exhibit quirks or produce surprises (most always unpleasant).
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Again I'll warn you. I have IDE controllers and they dont multi-task worth a shit.
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Good to know. My system is ALL IDE
This is why. If your system is all IDE, then your HDs are IDE, and they share a channel with the DVD drive.

If you have a modern system with SATA HDs, and use the lone IDE port for a single optical drive, there is no problem with multi-tasking at all.
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Just remember if you buy a new SATA DVD Drive to put it at the highest (usually SATA 5 or 6) device level and start your SATA hard drives at SATA 0 or 1.
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Do you really use the ROM drive anymore?

I hardly find myself using mine anymore, and now I'm actually at the point where I no longer build rigs with their own ROM drive and instead use an external USB ROM drive for any of them that ever need one on those very rare occasions.
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This is why. If your system is all IDE, then your HDs are IDE, and they share a channel with the DVD drive.

If you have a modern system with SATA HDs, and use the lone IDE port for a single optical drive, there is no problem with multi-tasking at all.
In an IDE only system,there are two IDE Channels (0 &1) and HDDs are not mixed with Optical drives on the same channel. The OP does not have an onboard IDE controller so a SATA/IDE adapter will be needed. Selecting a good one is tough because when you check the reviews, there is no adapter that everyone seems to agree is best/quirk free (but there are some bummers). But like someone said, the optical drive is probably used infrequently so then none of this matters. It matters for me cause I rip lots of DvD which is time intensive. IDE sucks for trying to do any much more while rip activity is ongoing.
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