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Old 09-09-2008, 12:48 PM   #1
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Here are some reasons why Alaska sucks and by extension, why any politician from Alaska shouldn't be trusted to be a fiscal conservative:

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Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 21/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it.

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Alaska is, in essence, an adjunct member of OPEC. It has four different taxes on oil, which produce more than 89% of the state's unrestricted revenue. On average, three-quarters of the value of a barrel of oil is taken by the state government before that oil is permitted to leave the state. Alaska residents each get a yearly check for about $2,000 from oil revenues, plus an additional $1,200 pushed through by Palin last year to take advantage of rising oil prices. Any sympathy the governor of Alaska expresses for folks in the lower 48 who are suffering from high gas prices or can't afford to heat their homes is strictly crocodile tears.

As if it couldn't support itself, Alaska also ranks No. 1, year after year, in money it sucks in from Washington. In 2005 (the most recent figures), according to the Tax Foundation, Alaska ranked 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434) but first in federal spending received per resident ($13,950). Its ratio of federal spending received to federal taxes paid ranks third among the 50 states, and in the absolute amount it receives from Washington over and above the amount it sends to Washington, Alaska ranks No. 1.
While this isn't a hit-piece on Palin necessarily, I certainly believe that if you want more borrow and spend Republican budget bullshit, McCain-Palin is your ticket.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:52 PM   #2
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Forgot the link:

http://www.time.com/time/polit...0,8599,1839724,00.html
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:52 PM   #3
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Have a link for that crap??

Isn't Alaska the state that gives everyone who lives there a check from oil revenue?
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:54 PM   #4
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Uh as your article noted a lot of that money spent up there is royalties paid to the residents of the state of Alaska for extracting oil from their land. Now I would like to read the entire article and see if it breaks it down into oil revenues.

Also being a large state with a rough terrain. Federal highway expenditures are sure high.

Either way this has little to do with Palin as your numbers are from 2005, before Palins time, and under a Democrat gov.

I am not even sure how in your mind you connected tax and spend republican bullshit with this article.

That said somebody else pointed out how the feds is actually bending the state Alaska over a barrel per the terms of their agreement. I dont have the article and maybe somebody can provide it. Basically the money sent back to the state for oil royalties so far has been half what the agreement said. The feds have made billions above what they are supposed to.

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Old 09-09-2008, 12:55 PM   #5
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So the 'taxes per resident' claim is not based on how much each person is actually taxed, but on how much tax revenue they get from oil divided by the number of residents in the state??

Kind of a convoluted statement.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:57 PM   #6
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nice link
ALASKA
Sales Taxes
State Sales Tax: The state currently does not have a sales and use tax. However, some jurisdictions impose local sales taxes that range up to 7%. Anchorage does not have a sales tax.
Gasoline Tax: 8 cents/gallon
Diesel Fuel Tax: 8 cents/gallon
Cigarette Tax: $2.00/pack of 20 (Anchorage - add $1.32)

Personal Income Taxes
No state income tax
Retirement Income: Not taxed.

No sales tax and no income tax!!!
Let's compare that to Illinois.

State Sales Tax: 6.25% (1% on qualifying food, prescription & non-prescription drugs, medical appliances). Local government taxes can raise the total to a high of 8.5%.

Income Tax Rate Range: Flat rate of 3% of federal adjusted gross income

Which state is taxed more?
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:58 PM   #7
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CNN link

Alaska ranks 50 out of 50 when it comes to State/local taxes.
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:59 PM   #8
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the idea that some states get to get away with having no income tax and/or no sales tax while leaching off the rest of us who are getting slammed by taxes really makes me want to kick an Alaskan in the nuts.
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:02 PM   #9
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the idea that some states get to get away with having no income tax and/or no sales tax while leaching off the rest of us who are getting slammed by taxes really makes me want to kick an Alaskan in the nuts.
yeah, this is the point that PJ cant get a grip on.
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:04 PM   #10
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According to the Time article;

Palin was actually for a windfall profits tax for Alaska...before she was against it for the rest of the United States?

Am I reading that right?
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:07 PM   #11
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Lol...nice intro to a "news" article... "Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn't a journalist and never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey." The least they could do was to label this as an opinion/editorial piece...is that asking too much? Media bias....say it isn't so !!!
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According to the Time article;

Palin was actually for a windfall profits tax for Alaska...before she was against it for the rest of the United States?

Am I reading that right?
State taxes are different than national taxes?
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:17 PM   #13
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According to the Time article;

Palin was actually for a windfall profits tax for Alaska...before she was against it for the rest of the United States?

Am I reading that right?
State taxes are different than national taxes?
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:22 PM   #14
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The larger more unpopulated states will always have a number that can be skewed.

Realize that the US also leeches off of Alaska. It is Alaska's wealth & natural resources that are being taken from them and in return they get higher fuel prices that is not even from their own raw crude. It was their shorelines that are damaged so the rest of the US can have oil.

You have military bases up there.
Much of Alaska is Federal government land.

It also costs more to live up there.
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Lol...nice intro to a "news" article... "Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn't a journalist and never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey." The least they could do was to label this as an opinion/editorial piece...is that asking too much? Media bias....say it isn't so !!!
That's why I didn't quote any of the non-relevant parts of the article. The parts that interested me were the facts and figures. Feel free to dispute those - if you can.
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:27 PM   #16
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I'm curious how she will rebut these points, which will undoubtedly line the statements Biden makes during a nationally televised debate. Palin and McCain tell bold-faced lies daily about the governor's record in speeches across America; it's comforting to see the press finally take them to task on it. Palin is no fiscal conservative any more than Bush is. Her job as governor of Alaska was to leech record amounts of per capita federal funding while their state was awash with oil profits.

Drip...drip...drip...

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Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn't a journalist and never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey. Although Palin praised John McCain in her acceptance speech as a man who puts the good of his country ahead of partisan politics, McCain pretty much proved the opposite with his selection of a running mate whose main asset is her ability to reignite the culture wars. So maybe Governor Palin does represent everything that is good and fine about America, as she herself maintains. But spare us, please, any talk about how she is a tough fiscal conservative.

Palin has continued to repeat the already exposed lie that she said, "No, thanks," to the famous "bridge to nowhere" (McCain's favorite example of wasteful federal spending). In fact, she said, "Yes, please," until this project became a symbol and political albatross.

Back to reality. Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 21/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it. Although Palin, like McCain, talks about liberating ourselves from dependence on foreign oil, there is no evidence that being dependent on Alaskan oil would be any more pleasant to the pocketbook.

Alaska is, in essence, an adjunct member of OPEC. It has four different taxes on oil, which produce more than 89% of the state's unrestricted revenue. On average, three-quarters of the value of a barrel of oil is taken by the state government before that oil is permitted to leave the state. Alaska residents each get a yearly check for about $2,000 from oil revenues, plus an additional $1,200 pushed through by Palin last year to take advantage of rising oil prices. Any sympathy the governor of Alaska expresses for folks in the lower 48 who are suffering from high gas prices or can't afford to heat their homes is strictly crocodile tears.

As if it couldn't support itself, Alaska also ranks No. 1, year after year, in money it sucks in from Washington. In 2005 (the most recent figures), according to the Tax Foundation, Alaska ranked 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434) but first in federal spending received per resident ($13,950). Its ratio of federal spending received to federal taxes paid ranks third among the 50 states, and in the absolute amount it receives from Washington over and above the amount it sends to Washington, Alaska ranks No. 1.

Under the state constitution, the governor of Alaska has unusually strong powers to shape the state budget. At the Republican Convention, Palin bragged that she had vetoed "nearly $500 million" in state spending during her two years as governor. This amounts to less than 2% of the proposed budget. That's how much this warrior for you, the people, against it, the government, could find in wasteful spending under her control.

One thing Barack Obama and McCain disagree on is an oil windfall-profits tax. McCain is against it, on the theory that it is a tax and therefore bad and also on the theory that it would discourage domestic production. Obama is for it, on the theory that if oil companies can make a nice profit when oil sells for $50 per bbl., they can still make a nice profit when it sells at more than $100, even if the government takes a bit and spreads the money around to those who are hurting from higher oil prices.

Although Palin's words side with McCain in this dispute, her actions side with Obama. Her major legislative accomplishment has been to revamp Alaska's windfall-profits tax in order to increase the state's take. Alaska calls it a "clear and equitable share" tax. The state assumes that extracting oil from the tundra costs about $25 per bbl. and takes as much as 75% of the difference between that and the sale price.

Why is a windfall-profits tax good for Alaska but not for the U.S.? Well, it's obvious, isn't it? People in Alaska are better than people in the rest of the U.S. They're more American. Although there are small towns and farms and high school hockey teams in the lower 48, there are fewer down here, per capita, than in Alaska. And there are many more journalists and pollsters and city dwellers and other undesirables who might benefit if every American had the same right to leech off the government as do the good citizens of Sarah Palin's Alaska.
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get the fuck over yourself
What?

It might be time for you to back away from the keyboard.
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repost, or at least second thread on this topic.
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we need a stickied "jpeyton does not care for Sarah Palin" omnibus thread.
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Since his last 10 "BooHoo Palin" topics were proven to be bogus here
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2225907&enterthread=y
I doubt this one will bite either.

It must really suck to be wrong so often. I honestly hope your list of daily affirmations help.

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It must really suck to be wrong so often.
It never seemed to slow down the Bush fan boys. ProfJohn lasted 9000 posts and JS80 almost 13k so far.
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Since his last 10 "BooHoo Palin" topics were proven to be bogus here
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2225907&enterthread=y
I doubt this one will bite either.

It must really suck to be wrong so often. I honestly hope your list of daily affirmations help.
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we need a stickied "jpeyton does not care for Sarah Palin" omnibus thread.
Ummmm ..... I think that should read "jpeyton loathes Sarah Palin"
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I think the original poster has it dead wrong, and PJ is correct. I reached the same conclusion as PJ a few days ago as a result of studying Alaska'f finances in more depth because of Palin.

My conclusion, like PJ, is that Alaska is essentially an OPEC member that is also a welfare state. No income tax, no sales tax and tons and tons of handouts from the Feds? Give me a break. The galling thing about it is so many Alaskans are like Palin, bogus "fiscal conservatives" who are better at feeding at the public trough then the welfare mothers they profess to despise. Hypocrites.
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