Final Update (11/04/06): Official launch of the much anticipated NV's next generation GPU, G80, is only a few days ahead. For the past few days we had DailyTech's sneak performance preview as well as end-users' pictures/benchmarks leaked. Lots of stuff have been leaked since the day I started this thread and I consider this has been a very successful thread with lots of information! Perhaps NV had the hardest time in recent years to keep the secret about G80 off the various leakers. Thank you for everyone who participated and exchanged the information!
This thread was meant to be a 'speculation' thread from the beginning so today's update is the last one as far as this initial post is concerned. Not only that we all know most of the facts regarding G80 by now (at least from consumers' point of view), but also it's time for our professional reviewers to do their jobs.
With the previous thread regarding NV's upcoming DX10 GPU, G80, becoming a ~400 posts monster, I felt the need to start a new thread with some of the knowledge we have learned over the past few weeks. I hope this thread will help folks looking for information on G80, and also hope it to remain on topic. (Please keep the ATI vs NV thread in the old G80 thread! )
This first post heavily owes the following discussions, as well as aforementioned 'old' G80 thread in this forum.
575MHz Core Clock
900MHz Mem Clock
768MB GDDR3 memory
384-bit memory interface (86GB/s)
128 unified shaders clocked at 1350 MHz
38.4 billion pixels per second theoretical texture fill-rate
450W PSU Recommended
Hard launch in second week of November ($650)
8800GTS
500MHz Core Clock
800MHz Mem Clock
640MB GDDR3 memory
320-bit memory interface (64GB/s)
96 unified shaders clocked at 1200 MHz
?? billion pixels per second theoretical texture fill-rate
400W PSU Recommended
Hard launch in second week of November ($500)
Pictures of a prototype-like board can be found Here
Additionally, the following traits are rumoured to be attributed to G80:
8800GTX w/ optional water-air hybrid cooling
3DMark06 score of single card 12K~16K
The cards most likely to be launched at GeForce LAN (Nov. 7-8, 2006)
Launch of NV's new MCP, NF680i and NF650i, will accompany the G80 debut -> Picture of an NF680i Board
G80 demo to feature a real person (a la 'celebrity') instead of an animated android -> Confirmed1, Confirmed2
NV's new physics engine, dubbed "Quantum Physics" to have a dedicated portion on G80 sillicon
Early sample of 8800GTX measures to 11", or 275mm, and 8800GTS to 9", or 225mm: Considering these lengths are not practical on a standard ATX board (9.6"x12"), they'll likely to change. (Thanks Cookie Monster)
Support for X16 AA on single-GPU as well as a brand-new Anti-Aliasing method "VCAA"
Mainstream parts (G83?) to arrive Spring 2007[/b]
Again, please keep discussions unrelated to this topic to minimum. I will try to update this post as much as I can. With the imminent release of Vista and DX10, truly interesting times are ahead of us!
lop
Important Update (10/23/06): What looks to be ASUS' retail box cover of upcoming GeForce 8800 GTX has been leaked via a chinese site here. This more or less confirms/summarizes the specifications of 8800 GTXs, or G80, that have been leaked for the past weeks. Interestingly, the leak suggests the price of 8800 GTX to be 540 USD and that of 8800 GTS to be 410 USD. The price information can be significant in that it can be the yardstick of relative performance. Below is the full quote of the box cover. (Thank you, Creig & nitromullet)
Quote:
EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M , is: USD $540 (FOB).
EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M , is: USD $410 (FOB).
ASUS Exclusive Innovations
HDCP Compliant: Allow playback of HD DVD, Blu-Ray Disc and other protected content at full HDresolutions
Built for Microsoft? Windows Vista?
ASUS Splendid: Watching movies on PC is as good as on Top-of-the-line consumer television
ASUS Video Security Online: Keep an eye on your home at all times no matter where you are
ASUS Game LiveShow: Stream live gaming action onto the internet and share with other gaming enthusiast
ASUS Game Replay: Recording gaming action and strategy into MPEG4 files to share with other gaming enthusiast
ASUS Game FaceMessenger: Easy IM and live game conference in any PC games
ASUS OnScreenDisplay: Adjust the fame settings and enhance gaming experience without leaving the game
Graphics GPU Feature
?? NVIDIA? GeForce 8800GTX
?? Built for Microsoft? Windows Vista??? NVIDIA SLI? Technology ready
?? NVIDIA? unified architecture with GigaThread? technology
?? Full support for Microsoft DirectX10.0 and ShaderModel 4.0 enables stunning and complex specialeffects
?? OpenGL?2.0 support
?? NVIDIA? Quantum Effects? Technology
?? True 128-bit floating point high dynamic-range (HDR) lighting
?? Two dual-link DVI outputs support two 2560x1600 resolution displays
Hardware Specification
Model EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M
Graphics Engine GeForce 8800GTX
Video Memory 768MB DDR3
Engine Clock 575MHz
Memory Clock 1.8GHz (900MHz DDR3)
Memory Interface 384-bit
Max. Resolution Up to 2560 x 1600
Bus Standard PCI Express X16
VGA Output YES, via DVI to VGA Adapter
HDTV Output YES, via HDTV Out cable
TV Output YES, via S-Video to Composite
DVI Output DVI-I
Dual DVI Output YES
HDCP Compliant YES
Adaptor/Cable Bundled DVI to VGA adapter
Power Cable*2
HDTV-out cable
Software Bundled 3D Game: Ghost Recon, GTI Racing
3Dmark06
ASUS Utilities & Driver
[??]
Specifications are subject to change without notice.
?PCB color and bundled software versions are change without notice.
?Brand and product names mentioned are trademarks of their respective company.
?? Note: Two 6-pins supplementary power connectors inside the box
Quick Update (10/24/06): There is a review out there now, but I am not sure if these people actually have the cards in their hands.
Update (10/29/06): See below (Credit goes to Gstanfor as well as Triniboy @B3D)
681M transistors
FP32+MSAA (a la HDR+AA)
128 scalar MADD+MUL - 518 GFLOPS/s
Groups of 16
4 Texture Address calculators per group - 32 total
8 TMU's per group - 64 total
6 ROP clusters (how many ROPs in a cluster? One?) / 4 samples/clock (minimum 4xAA ?) Double Z/stencil? WUAF -> *Angle-independent AF*
Improved Dynamic Branching
New Coverage Sampling AA not universally compatible NV I/O - Dual-RAMDAC handling various I/O, including dual-link DVI and, possibly, multi-monitor SLI
It is fairly obvious that WUAF is something about Anisotrophic Filtering. German translation is reported to be 'Angle-Independent Anisotrophic Filtering'. With the criticism regarding NV40/G70's agressive optimization going out of control, it's been expected that NV will attempt to rectify the situation with its brand new GPU. How good their implementation will turn out remains to be seen. Also revealed is the little chip next to the G80's gigantic - let's just say NV's latest assualt on common sense - IHS will take care of various I/O related to video. There is a wild suspicion that it'll finally add multi-monitor support to SLI.
Critical Update (11/02/06): With the launch date coming in less than a week, Inquirer has organized the rumors/leaks that have been known to date as well as some of the new information. I will update this post as the information gets confirmed, but for now the following links will do.
SLI these beasts with an overclocked Conroe == good times.
__________________
"Communism can be defined as the longest route from capitalism to capitalism."
"Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism is the equal distribution of poverty"
"The Democrats seems to be the kind of people who switch to Geico and lose money." -Jon Stewert
I call BEE ES on that. One card will not score more than 12K. I can see it hit 10-12K thou.
There are already some exotic solutions that have an X1900XT scoring near 12K.
__________________
"Communism can be defined as the longest route from capitalism to capitalism."
"Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth. Socialism is the equal distribution of poverty"
"The Democrats seems to be the kind of people who switch to Geico and lose money." -Jon Stewert
Please note the 3DMark06 score (and the other 3DMarks, too) can vary greatly by the CPU at play.
Personal attack doesn't make you win an argument. Besides, there is no point arguing over 'rumours'. Let's keep this thread more informative! (i.e. Who would be da celebrity?)
__________________
Working: E8400 @3.60GHz (9x400) | Gigabyte EP45-UD3P | 4x2GB DDR2-800/5-5-5 | GeForce GTX 280 | Windows Vista
Playing: 955BE @3.60GHz (16x225) | Gigabyte MA790X-UD4P | 4x2GB DDR2-900/5-4-4 | Radeon HD 4890 | Windows 7
Serving: E2140 @2.67GHz (8x333) | Intel BadAxe 2 | 2x1GB DDR2-667/4-4-4 | GeForce 6200 TC | Windows Home Server
Resting: Opteron 165 | DFI NF4 SLI-DR | 2x1GB DDR-400
Hopefully we get some early reviews that focus on overclocking the GTS version. Memory bandwidth will be its weak point. $600+ is really over the top for me which pretty much rules the GTX out - I just hope the GTS isn't too badly crippled by its bus.
Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
Hopefully we get some early reviews that focus on overclocking the GTS version. Memory bandwidth will be its weak point. $600+ is really over the top for me which pretty much rules the GTX out - I just hope the GTS isn't too badly crippled by its bus.
Even a "crippled" GTS seems like it would be a formidable graphics card.
A criticism on DailyTech's information from B3D. I made a change on 8800GTS' memory speed. (From 900MHz to 800MHz)
Quote:
DailyTech has leaked apparently reliable specifications for NVIDIA's upcoming G80. They claim it will be hard launched in the second week of November and that the initial line up consists of the GeForce 8800GTX and the GeForce 8800GTS. Both cards are apparently based on an unified design, with the full chip consisting of 128 "stream processors", while the GTS will have only 96 enabled for yield reasons. The information further confirms other tidbits originally revealed by some leaked chinese powerpoint slides, including a 384-bit memory bus for the GTX and a 320-bit memory bus for the GTS, with 768 and 640MB of video memory for the two SKUs.
The specifications also claim that the unified stream processors are clocked at 1.35GHz for the GTX and 1.2GHz for the GTS, while the control logic, schedulers, ROPs, etc. are clocked at 575MHz and 500MHz for the GTX and the GTS, respectively. Other DailyTech news pieces published today reveal power requirements of 400W to 450W for a G80-based system, and 800W for one based on SLI G80s. As always, these numbers tend to be highly exaggerated in order to reduce potential problems with subpar OEM PSUs. Other related articles claim FP32 HDR and 16x AA support, both of which have been hinted at in the past, and the former actually being a requirement for D3D10. To be more precise, FP32 blending is a requirement, while FP32 filtering is optional. A fourth article on the site also speaks of NVIDIA's "Quantum Physics" engine, which is most likely a marketing name for the better acceleration G80 delivers to physics computations. It should also be noted that DailyTech lists some rather unlikely numbers in terms of memory clocks and texture rate. They list the GTX as having 86GB/s of bandwidth, and the GTS only 64GB/s. However, they also claim both have 900MHz GDDR3, which is highly unlikely.
It should be relatively clear that this was a simple typo, and that the GTS actually sports 800MHz GDDR3. As for texture rates, they give the number of 38.4GPixels/s for the GTX, but few logical ways exist to attain such a number with the specified clockrates. As such, it seems much more likely that this part of the specification relates to the GeForce 8800GTS and its 1200MHz stream processors.
Originally posted by: lopri
Please note the 3DMark06 score (and the other 3DMarks, too) can vary greatly by the CPU at play.
Personal attack doesn't make you win an argument. Besides, there is no point arguing over 'rumours'. Let's keep this thread more informative! (i.e. Who would be da celebrity?)
Yep. If you must use the lame product for comparisons, at least use 3dmark05 which is more GPU focussed the 3dmark06. Personally I'm more interested in performance for actual games like Gothic3, Dark Messiah of M&M, Medieaval II Total war, Oblivion etc, etc than I am i a ridiculous synthetic benchmark.
Originally posted by: lopri
Please note the 3DMark06 score (and the other 3DMarks, too) can vary greatly by the CPU at play.
Personal attack doesn't make you win an argument. Besides, there is no point arguing over 'rumours'. Let's keep this thread more informative! (i.e. Who would be da celebrity?)
Yep. If you must use the lame product for comparisons, at least use 3dmark05 which is more GPU focussed the 3dmark06. Personally I'm more interested in performance for actual games like Gothic3, Dark Messiah of M&M, Medieaval II Total war, Oblivion etc, etc than I am i a ridiculous synthetic benchmark.
Actually 3dmark05 is the most cpu limited benchmark except for 01, and 06 has separate GPU scores..
Quote:
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Quote:
Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Quote:
Originally posted by: JAG87
Quote:
Originally posted by: lopri
3DMark06 score of single card 12K~16K
lop
I call BEE ES on that. One card will not score more than 12K. I can see it hit 10-12K thou.
If it doesn't, it'll be mightily disappointing, considering an overclocked C2D rig with CFed X1950XTXs comes awfully close to that score.... :disgust:
two x1950xtx's = $1200
1 8800gtx = $650
2x x1950xtx = $840
Go spread your FUD somewhere else, besides that wasnt the point... Its a NEXT GEN part, so anything less then 2x the performance of current gen is disappointing
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by: yacoub
I enjoy an occasional comedy post as much as anyone, but constant textual diarrhea is beyond the pale.
I call BEE ES on that. One card will not score more than 12K. I can see it hit 10-12K thou.
If it doesn't, it'll be mightily disappointing, considering an overclocked C2D rig with CFed X1950XTXs comes awfully close to that score.... :disgust:
two x1950xtx's = $1200
1 8800gtx = $650
Where does two X1950XTX's equal $1200? You can have that for around $800~$900. Not that I would buy CF over a G80, but c'mon...that's a little exagerated isn't it?
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
why do you care so much? it's a ****** video card. go outside.
Originally posted by: lopri
Please note the 3DMark06 score (and the other 3DMarks, too) can vary greatly by the CPU at play.
Personal attack doesn't make you win an argument. Besides, there is no point arguing over 'rumours'. Let's keep this thread more informative! (i.e. Who would be da celebrity?)
Yep. If you must use the lame product for comparisons, at least use 3dmark05 which is more GPU focussed the 3dmark06. Personally I'm more interested in performance for actual games like Gothic3, Dark Messiah of M&M, Medieaval II Total war, Oblivion etc, etc than I am i a ridiculous synthetic benchmark.
Actually 3dmark05 is the most cpu limited benchmark except for 01, and 06 has separate GPU scores..
Quote:
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
Quote:
Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Quote:
Originally posted by: JAG87
Quote:
Originally posted by: lopri
3DMark06 score of single card 12K~16K
lop
I call BEE ES on that. One card will not score more than 12K. I can see it hit 10-12K thou.
If it doesn't, it'll be mightily disappointing, considering an overclocked C2D rig with CFed X1950XTXs comes awfully close to that score.... :disgust:
two x1950xtx's = $1200
1 8800gtx = $650
2x x1950xtx = $840
Go spread your FUD somewhere else, besides that wasnt the point... Its a NEXT GEN part, so anything less then 2x the performance of current gen is disappointing
so you think the G80 is going to sell at exactly MSRP?
fine, knock the x1900xtx's price down to $840. lets see... thats $180 off msrp.
$840 for the two x1900xtx's
$470 for the G80 taking $180 off the MSRP
I call BEE ES on that. One card will not score more than 12K. I can see it hit 10-12K thou.
If it doesn't, it'll be mightily disappointing, considering an overclocked C2D rig with CFed X1950XTXs comes awfully close to that score.... :disgust:
two x1950xtx's = $1200
1 8800gtx = $650
Where does two X1950XTX's equal $1200? You can have that for around $800~$900. Not that I would buy CF over a G80, but c'mon...that's a little exagerated isn't it?
The New and Improved "G80 Stuff"
Thank you for everyone who participated and exchanged the information!
)
