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Old 02-08-2005, 01:06 AM   #1
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:13 AM   #2
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:16 AM   #3
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Another insightful comment by ntdz...good reasoning, excellent supporting evidence, great conclusion...you should write a book about it!!
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:21 AM   #4
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Another insightful comment by ntdz...good reasoning, excellent supporting evidence, great conclusion...you should write a book about it!!
My comment had more content than yours. Yours didn't even pertain to the topic. You complain my post isn't "insightful" and yet your post has even less insight. What a hypocrite.
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:29 AM   #5
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I agree.
Another insightful comment by ntdz...good reasoning, excellent supporting evidence, great conclusion...you should write a book about it!!
My comment had more content than yours. Yours didn't even pertain to the topic. You complain my post isn't "insightful" and yet your post has even less insight. What a hypocrite.
Actually i dont really have an opinion on this topic as i'm not very well informed on the whole history of the democratic party. I am only familiar with recent events. I would however like to learn more about the suggestion. You gave an answer, i was looking for your reasoning. Very few things are a yes or no answer these days. Besides, i've noticed you like to make comments without supporting resoning or facts. Ref. Boeing thread you still havent answered. It's staggering how many people just take sides around here not explaining why, doesnt say much about intellect.
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:30 AM   #6
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Wow, nice thread you got here. Make a flameworthy statement and say "discuss".

From wikipedia:

"A reactionary (sometimes: reactionist) is someone who seeks to restore conditions to those of a previous era. The political attitude of a reactionary is reaction, reactionism (sometimes: reactionaryism). Reaction is always presented against something that it opposes. Reactionary comes from the French word réactionnaire, coined in the early 19th century.

It was the first of the two words coined (the other being conservative, from the French word conservateur) for the opposition to the French revolution. "In parliamentary usage, the monarchists were commonly referred to as the Right, although they were often called Reactionaries." (1) A reactionary is sometimes described as an extreme conservative, but whereas a conservative seeks, in the simplest terms, to preserve the status quo, a reactionary seeks to return to the situation of a prior time. In particular the term is used to describe those who are seen to oppose "progress" and particularly revolutionary change, and is used in revolutionary contexts interchangeably with the word counterrevolutionary.

Classical 19th century reactionaries and their heirs idealized either feudalism or the pre-modern era that preceded the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution when economies were largely agrarian, the landed aristocracy dominated society, a king was on the throne and the church was the moral centre of society. Thus, reactionaries once favoured the aristocracy over the middle class and the working class, even though they later favoured the conservative bourgeoisie. In that context, reactionaries are against democracy and parliamentarism."


Let me revise this. Democrats cannot be reactionary. How are democrats wishing to return America to a previous era? Liberals have since the founding of this country moved it FORWARD. Unflinchingly and with tremendous courage. They have taken the stings and arrows of their fellow man and turned them into the reason for their struggle. They have long supported the rights of those determined 'not human' and given their very lives to push American society forward.

If anything I would say that Democrats lack confidence. While the right will extol the virtues of their "democracy" and "superiority" Democrats will never do that. The have done so much for this country and are still humble.
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Old 02-08-2005, 01:38 AM   #7
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If you want my opinion:
Conservatives, especially socially tend to revert to historical beliefs and refrain from change and development. Democrats are supposed to be progressive, that said, inherently, democrats must be reactionary. The world is changing at a staggering rate and adapting to the new political environment is the only way to survive. Of course one could make the statement that dems are reactionary, but at the same time you must turn to the republican party, there have been areas where they have had to make changes. Look at the issue of slavery in the past, i believe that conservatives were against freeing the slaves, also...look at the republican party in california where arnold is allowing publicly funded stem cell reserach, these are two examples of the republican party being reactionary.

Therefore democrats are inherently reactionary and changing in order to progress, but at the same time the republicans need to adapt to not stay too far behind the mainstream mindset. From what i've seen also, the democrats in the south and republicans in the north are far more flexible on typical party policy.

I'd say both parties are very much reactionary. One would hope this is the case as public opinion changes and evolves, the voice of the people (political parties) must reflect this.
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Old 02-08-2005, 08:12 AM   #8
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It's not just Democrats, it's Republicans too. In fact, you can find reactionaries in every philosophical camp known to man. Unless you have a more focused point, please stop wasting our time.

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Old 02-08-2005, 08:20 AM   #9
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Wow, nice thread you got here. Make a flameworthy statement and say "discuss".

From wikipedia:

"A reactionary (sometimes: reactionist) is someone who seeks to restore conditions to those of a previous era. The political attitude of a reactionary is reaction, reactionism (sometimes: reactionaryism). Reaction is always presented against something that it opposes. Reactionary comes from the French word réactionnaire, coined in the early 19th century.

It was the first of the two words coined (the other being conservative, from the French word conservateur) for the opposition to the French revolution. "In parliamentary usage, the monarchists were commonly referred to as the Right, although they were often called Reactionaries." (1) A reactionary is sometimes described as an extreme conservative, but whereas a conservative seeks, in the simplest terms, to preserve the status quo, a reactionary seeks to return to the situation of a prior time. In particular the term is used to describe those who are seen to oppose "progress" and particularly revolutionary change, and is used in revolutionary contexts interchangeably with the word counterrevolutionary.

Classical 19th century reactionaries and their heirs idealized either feudalism or the pre-modern era that preceded the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution when economies were largely agrarian, the landed aristocracy dominated society, a king was on the throne and the church was the moral centre of society. Thus, reactionaries once favoured the aristocracy over the middle class and the working class, even though they later favoured the conservative bourgeoisie. In that context, reactionaries are against democracy and parliamentarism."


Let me revise this. Democrats cannot be reactionary. How are democrats wishing to return America to a previous era? Liberals have since the founding of this country moved it FORWARD. Unflinchingly and with tremendous courage. They have taken the stings and arrows of their fellow man and turned them into the reason for their struggle. They have long supported the rights of those determined 'not human' and given their very lives to push American society forward.

If anything I would say that Democrats lack confidence. While the right will extol the virtues of their "democracy" and "superiority" Democrats will never do that. The have done so much for this country and are still humble.
And if only the Democrats were LIBERALS today instead of SOCIALISTS, your point might have some weight to it. The LIBERALS have long since been thrown out of the Democratic party.

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Old 02-08-2005, 08:26 AM   #10
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Old 02-08-2005, 08:43 AM   #11
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I proactively answered your thread before you posted it.
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Old 02-08-2005, 08:59 AM   #12
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Republicans are reactionary in regards to societal trends, Democrats are reactionary in regards to Republicans' trends
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Old 02-08-2005, 09:45 AM   #13
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:18 AM   #14
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I have not seen any new ideas or solutions from the Democrats other than Gay rights, and Abortion. That is a very limited agenda. From what I see the democratic ideal is to do nothing they can be blamed for, because they are all chicken to institute and changes from the status quo.

One constant rule in business is if you refuse to improve and fight your competition, then you can expect to be going out of business soon.

If you try the social agenda for 50 years and things get worse under your policy, it is time to try some other approach. If what you are doing is not working you dont just keep doing it.
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:37 AM   #15
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No new ideas?!...the democrats have tons of ideas. They are not in power so they cannot implement, but go ead the 2004 presidential platform
How is social policy making things worse?
Norway is a social as you get without turning to communism and they do quite well for themselves.

If you guys think that only democrats are reactionary...look no further than republican platforms in say california, oregon, and washington.
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Norway also has a population the size of Chicago.

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Old 02-08-2005, 11:41 AM   #17
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Norway also has a population the size of Chicago.
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