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Old 10-06-2004, 12:12 PM   #1
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Disclaimer: The purpose of this post is NOT to argue the abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib. It is not my intention to sound like a conspiracy theorist, I am genuinely interested in the following, and would like to keep as close to the topic as possible.

Background: I was discussing Abu Ghraib with a friend this weekend. She mentioned that, in one of the photos, the word "rapist" was written on the backside of a prisoner. The thing is, it was misspelled r-a-p-e-i-s-t. She seemed to think it was pretty sad and one of those "icing on the cake" moments.

Having never noticed the spelling, I went to Google Images to search for it. "Abu Ghraib" brought up only photos of the outside of the prison. Not a single photo from the scandal. Next I searched for "Lynndie England", not a single picture. Next I decided to look for "Charles Graner" her boyfriend who was also prominently features in the pictures, nothing.

I tried many different spellings for each name, used quotes, didn't use quotes and checked to make sure SafeSearch was not enabled.

Needless to say, I was a little confused. Less than two weeks earlier, I had searched Google Images for Abu Ghraib photos with great success.

Where did the Agu Ghraib photos go?

What is Google's policy on controversial information?

I have heard that Google cooperates with a few countries to filter search results, blocking some content in France and Germany. Is this happening in the US also? If so to what extent? I know some websites are permanently de-linked, but I thought they were primarily concerned with drug trade, terrorists, improvised weapons and illegal pornography pages. Am I being naive?

Isn't Google Images a bot?

Wouldn't the pictures have to be removed by an actual flesh and blood person?

I know Google Images often misses pictures, but there are none! I know they did exist on Image Search.

Any ideas?
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:15 PM   #2
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Google knows how to censor. They do it with China. They've done it with ads. They're not the ideal source of information anymore.
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:18 PM   #3
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I quit using Yahoo - unregistered my account and everything when they helped China install GIANT Web Filters to restrict everything that the human beings in China are allowed to read on the Internet.
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Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world...cia-index.html
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:21 PM   #4
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Wow.. this is very interesting

http://images.google.com/image...&q=Lynndie+England
http://images.google.com/image...h&q=Lyndie+England

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Old 10-06-2004, 12:21 PM   #5
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I quit using Yahoo - unregistered my account and everything when they helped China install GIANT Web Filters to restrict everything that the human beings in China are allowed to read on the Internet.
Are we talking about goolge or yahoo?
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:23 PM   #6
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He's right, the images files have been stripped. A pultry 96 images, mostly repeat outside photos is all that remains.

The censoring is active even for the U.S.

Disgusting
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:23 PM   #7
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I quit using Yahoo - unregistered my account and everything when they helped China install GIANT Web Filters to restrict everything that the human beings in China are allowed to read on the Internet.
Are we talking about goolge or yahoo?
We are talking about both AND about search engines who use their powerful filters to RESTRICT FREEDOM
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:24 PM   #8
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I was reading about 4 guys that may get the same treatment for supposely killing a Iraqi general. (First time in 40 years that a general has died in captivity, or something like that). do we have a thread on this?
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:24 PM   #9
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He's right, the images files have been stripped. A pultry 96 images, mostly repeat outside photos is all that remains.

The censoring is active even for the U.S.

Disgusting
HUH.. so you got some results from my links above??? Maybe MY ISP is blocking them too?
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:31 PM   #10
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If anyone gets an image of Lynndie England from the links dahunan provided above, I would love to know exactly what country you are searching from. I went so far as to use a few of Google's "foreign" search sites like Google Sweden. Still nothing.

So what search engine filters the least? Where the hell do I go for information?

Again, I don't mean to sound like a "tin hat" idiot, but this feels a bit "1984"-ish!
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:35 PM   #11
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Internet noobies...

Dogpile results

Yes there was life prior to Google.

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Old 10-06-2004, 12:39 PM   #12
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Internet noobies...

Dogpile results

Yes there was life prior to Google.
We aren't concerned with other search engines right now.. this is a test of Googles Power to limit freedom AND WHY THE FVCK WOULD THEY DO IT!

Yes
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:42 PM   #13
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I was reading about 4 guys that may get the same treatment for supposely killing a Iraqi general. (First time in 40 years that a general has died in captivity, or something like that). do we have a thread on this?
Read about that at the end of this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...2&threadid=1305083
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:42 PM   #14
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No doubt about it.

We are beginning to taste what it is like to live in China or North Korea or Old Russia etc etc.

Hope you Neocons are Proud.


Edit: This should be stickied and also in my Revolution thread as another event leading to U.S. Civil War II
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:47 PM   #15
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I think this needs to be publicized. Anyone have any idea where we can submit it to garner some publicity as to why Google feels it necessary to censor images in a free country?
BTW, the images are still available here.
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:50 PM   #16
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Internet noobies...

Dogpile results

Yes there was life prior to Google.
We aren't concerned with other search engines right now.. this is a test of Googles Power to limit freedom AND WHY THE FVCK WOULD THEY DO IT!

Yes
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altavista
northernlight
etc etc
Exactly, dahunan!

Internet noobie? I have used Dogpile for years. Heck, I invented the internet! :laugh:

"Where do I go for information" was a bit rhetorical, but I still want to know who filters the least. It is rather hard to rate a service by basing your judgment on its omissions. Quantifying the unquantifiable?
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:51 PM   #17
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No doubt about it.

We are beginning to taste what it is like to live in China or North Korea or Old Russia etc etc.

Hope you Neocons are Proud.


Edit: This should be stickied and also in my Revolution thread as another event leading to U.S. Civil War II
yes, because some easily availale pictures dont show up on a google search for some people, we are now in a similar situation to north korea. :roll:

it is all a partially-vast right wing neocon conspiracy
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No doubt about it.

We are beginning to taste what it is like to live in China or North Korea or Old Russia etc etc.

Hope you Neocons are Proud.


Edit: This should be stickied and also in my Revolution thread as another event leading to U.S. Civil War II
yes, because some easily availale pictures dont show up on a google search for some people, we are now in a similar situation to north korea. :roll:

it is all a partially-vast right wing neocon conspiracy
It's not a Conspiracy when it is in the open and in your face, glad you are enjoying the Land of the Not Free.

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However, researchers at the highly-respected Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University have found that the company is actively removing sites from its database, and that this censorship is going unnoticed.
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However, researchers at the highly-respected Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University have found that the company is actively removing sites from its database, and that this censorship is going unnoticed.
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Thank you for that.



**If anyone wants to get this noticed just send it to all of your political campaign headquarters.. They could be the next censored group
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However, researchers at the highly-respected Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University have found that the company is actively removing sites from its database, and that this censorship is going unnoticed.
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Thank you for that.



**If anyone wants to get this noticed just send it to all of your political campaign headquarters.. They could be the next censored group

Sorry, I didn't read the OP initially, and I agree that it's more than a little frightening.

Looked through the Berkman Center's stuff, seems like the filtering Google does in the US is minimal, but it exists, they seem to filter much more actively in other countries. They mentioned Germany & France several times.
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Old 10-06-2004, 02:15 PM   #22
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I just contacted three people in local radio. Just as a start. I know they all use the Internet (along with more traditional media outlets) to research their radio shows.

The Internet is where many people go for news. The possible ramifications of this should be obvious.

Let's not lay the blame on any political party just yet. I feel it would do this thread a disservice, allowing it to degenerate into Red vs. Blue. Censorship is not necessarily a partisan issue until it has been shown that the deck is stack in a particular direction. That fact has not been demonstrated. I have my suspicions, but that fact has not been demonstrated.
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Submitted to slashdot. It seems interesting enough to warrant AT getting hammered over.
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Submitted to slashdot by me, also. Retyped, added a few points and some links.
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Old 10-06-2004, 03:44 PM   #25
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Banned sites in europe are mainly to neo-nazi type groups that have been banned.
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