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Old 01-11-2004, 04:48 AM   #1
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Default Oklahoma state troopers shoots unarmed man in the back

All you have to do is watch.

All I can say as a CJ student and someone who wants to go into Law Enforcement was that she was 100% wrong. People on the officer.com message boards are outraged that she was not fired for this incident. A few OK state troopers said that was known to be a threat before she completed training, and that they campaigned against her hire. Not only that, but she attempted to quit the academy three times, but the brass begged her to stay because she would be the first Black female officer they had. Not only that, but she failed parts of the academy, and when she passed her FTO during training wanted to fail her. Unfortunately, she leaves a big black eye on anyone who believes in competent police work, and leaves a bigger black eye on her department. She was reassigned to other duties and will NOT be charged with a crime.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:01 AM   #2
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where's the riots now?
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:01 AM   #3
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I'm a CJ major and 4 months away from being a Reserve Officer myself, so I know how you feel. I won't use Real player, so is there any other format of the video? This sounds like a case against affirmative action in Law Enforcement. Not everyone can handle this kind of work, so only the most psychologically stable and balanced people should be hired.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:14 AM   #4
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. Not only that, but she failed parts of the academy, and when she passed her FTO during training wanted to fail her. Unfortunately, she leaves a big black eye on anyone who believes in competent police work, and leaves a bigger black eye on her department. She was reassigned to other duties and will NOT be charged with a crime.
Its an even bigger black eye on Affirmative Action.

John R. Lott published a paper showing that Affirmative Action has measurably produced candidates of measurably lower caliber and competence within police and fire departments in the United States, particularly the larger metro agencies, with the result being stuff just like this.

Of course, he and the paper were branded "racist", because that works.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:16 AM   #5
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It had a lot to do with AA. The department was pressed to cover for her and to hire her to begin with because of AA. I'm just going on what other OU troopers had to say, but I've yet to see anything that was contrary to what they stated. BTW, that is the only video available and it is worth it to watch it.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:19 AM   #6
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. Not only that, but she failed parts of the academy, and when she passed her FTO during training wanted to fail her. Unfortunately, she leaves a big black eye on anyone who believes in competent police work, and leaves a bigger black eye on her department. She was reassigned to other duties and will NOT be charged with a crime.
Its an even bigger black eye on Affirmative Action.

John R. Lott published a paper showing that Affirmative Action has measurably produced candidates of measurably lower caliber and competence within police and fire departments in the United States, particularly the larger metro agencies, with the result being stuff just like this.

Of course, he and the paper were branded "racist", because that works.
Right. It wasn't their race that caused this, but the pressure used to hire minority(female or other minority race wise) candidates that scored lower. The idea was that their score was lower because they didn't have the same opportunity. However, they never improved to sufficient levels or department standards, but they couldn't be fired due to AA policies without a backlash. It creates a lose lose situation for all involved.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:22 AM   #7
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won't use realplayer, so i didn't see it.

but i agree with Mill about AA. I think it's the wrong remedy for the problem and just creates more problems.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:26 AM   #8
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There's corruption at its finest
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:27 AM   #9
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:29 AM   #10
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There's corruption at its finest
It has nothing at all to do with corruption. You might want to peruse dictionary.com before making such a statement.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:35 AM   #11
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and ppl wonder why cops have a bad rap. i hope a good attorney steps up and helps this guy out.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:37 AM   #12
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I can only imagine what would have happened if that was a white officer shooting an african american.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:42 AM   #13
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There's corruption at its finest
It has nothing at all to do with corruption. You might want to peruse dictionary.com before making such a statement.
loss of purity or integrity

"4. The act of changing, or of being changed, for the worse; departure from what is pure, simple, or correct; as, a corruption of style; corruption in language.

Maybe I used it in incorrect context (or the not so appropiate word), but, she as an officer, did loose her integrity (her judgement of shooting the kid). The incidnet itself isn't corrupt, it's the action that was taken by the deparment that shows a corrupt manner of following procedure. My way of thinking is this: she did something wrong, department didn't punish her (charge her), is that not losing the integrity of the "system?" I agree, I could have used a better word, but I couldn't think of it at the time.

In any case, what I would like to simply say is that the shooting was wrong, and the actions taken about it do no fit what happened. I don't think she should have threatened him by saying "I'm gonna shoot you..."
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:50 AM   #14
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There's corruption at its finest
It has nothing at all to do with corruption. You might want to peruse dictionary.com before making such a statement.
loss of purity or integrity

"4. The act of changing, or of being changed, for the worse; departure from what is pure, simple, or correct; as, a corruption of style; corruption in language.

Maybe I used it in incorrect context (or the not so appropiate word), but, she as an officer, did loose her integrity (her judgement of shooting the kid). The incidnet itself isn't corrupt, it's the action that was taken by the deparment that shows a corrupt manner of following procedure. My way of thinking is this: she did something wrong, department didn't punish her (charge her), is that not losing the integrity of the "system?" I agree, I could have used a better word, but I couldn't think of it at the time.

In any case, what I would like to simply say is that the shooting was wrong, and the actions taken about it do no fit what happened. I don't think she should have threatened him by saying "I'm gonna shoot you..."
It still had nothing to do with corruption, but I agree with your point about her actions.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:50 AM   #15
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I can only imagine what would have happened if that was a white officer shooting an african american.
See: Cincinnati, LA, New York, etc.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:53 AM   #16
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There's corruption at its finest
It has nothing at all to do with corruption. You might want to peruse dictionary.com before making such a statement.
Corruption: n 1: lack of integrity or honesty

Integrity: n. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.

Oh I don't know. Putting an incompetent officer on the force, and then covering for her after she kills someone doesn't seem to adhere to either the ethical and moral code I'd expect out of law enforcement officers or any sense of honesty. Nor does covering for her seem particularly honest or ethical. I'd say that word fits.

You might want to take your own advice?

Edit: I'm a few minutes late with this I see. Oh well.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:53 AM   #17
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Good lord, how was she not fired?

I'm all for supporting the police (including shootings) when they do their jobs, but she is a psychotic bitch on a power trip "I'll shoot ya again! I'll shoot ya again!"

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Old 01-11-2004, 05:56 AM   #18
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:59 AM   #24
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There's corruption at its finest
It has nothing at all to do with corruption. You might want to peruse dictionary.com before making such a statement.
Corruption: n 1: lack of integrity or honesty

Integrity: n. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.

Oh I don't know. Putting an incompetent officer on the force, and then covering for her after she kills someone doesn't seem to adhere to either the ethical and moral code I'd expect out of law enforcement officers or any sense of honesty. Nor does covering for her seem particularly honest or ethical. I'd say that word fits.

You might want to take your own advice?

Edit: I'm a few minutes late with this I see. Oh well.
It had nothing to do with corruption. There has to be an outside influence or GAIN for it to be corruption. It's not just the loss of integrity. It has to be due to an outside force that compels someone(via gain) to do an act. How did she gain anything? Part of a definition is not the WHOLE meaning of the word.
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The shooting ("it") had nothing to do with corruption, but actions surrounding it (and by "it," I mean the shooting itself), fit the description of "lack of integrity..."

Words and their meanings are butchered these days, perhaps I am trying to use this word out of context without knowing it.

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