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Old 06-18-2003, 09:28 AM   #26
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Tabb has saccharine, but I'm not sure if they make it anymore since it causes cancer in lab animals.
Doesn't everything nowadays cause cancer in lab animals?

A study recently completed, concluded that research increases the presence of cancer in lab animals by a significant percentage.
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Diet Rite is, IMO, not a very good drink when compared to Pepsi one. I like splenda but diet rite has a foul aftertaste that pepsi one lacks. PO truly is the best diet pop out there I've tried. I will take diet pepsi as a second choice and though diet coke is foul diet cherry coke is pretty good.
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After a certain point, isn't it just as well to drink water?
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Tabb has saccharine, but I'm not sure if they make it anymore since it causes cancer in lab animals.
Doesn't everything nowadays cause cancer in lab animals?
In five years, they're going to discover that the cancer in lab animals is actually caused by a chemical in the plastic used to make their cages, and all experiments done in the past 40 years will have to be resubmitted.

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Check out Pepsi One ... made with Splenda and Acesulfame-K.

Yeah there are a lot of nutjobs on the 'net with horror stories about nutrasweet or now splenda. About nutrasweet (aspartame) the fact is that for most people its perfectly fine. To exceed the safe levels you'd have to eat the equivalent of 300 packets in a day. However there are a small percentage of individuals who have a reaction to its active ingredient. Also, it's safety for pregant mothers hasn't been fully established (IMHO). My personal opinion is that it probably won't hurt you if you aren't a little baby, pregnant, or sensitive to its active ingredient. If you are truly health conscious though, you don't want to be drinking a lot of soda. But if you're diabetic or something, diet soda can be a rare treat.

As for Splenda, given that it is made by chemically modifying the sugar molecure, chances are its safer than aspartame. IMHO if you're pregnant or sickly you should stay away from any kind of diet soda, but splenda-drinks are probably better than aspartame.
I disagree completely. If you were to do a search on aspertame on the internet, you'll find that you get about 99% of the posts from people talking about their own horror stories caused by aspertame. My ex-fiance lived on aspertame, drinking diet drinks, eating diet sweets, adding equal to her foods. She was a virgin (ruling out STD) that got cervical cancer at the age of 19.

Another friend of mine was unable to move without a wheelchair, had numbness, and paralyzation in her extremities, and was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis by 4 different doctors. After trying everything under the sun, she just kept getting worse. She drank about 3 diet cokes a day. When she heard about the aspertame thing, she cut it out of her diet completely. Today, she lives as normal a life as any of us. You'd never know she was ever sick.

A guy in my graduating class in high school was the star quarterback of the football team. He also lived on aspertame, cutting all sugar out of his diet, and replacing it with equal, and diet sodas. He's now dead, having died of brain tumors at the age of 23.

My own mother can't drink a diet soda without getting migraines. This is also the case with two of the people I work with.


"Yeah there are a lot of nutjobs on the 'net with horror stories about nutrasweet or now splenda. About nutrasweet (aspartame) the fact is that for most people its perfectly fine."

I guess I'm one of those nutjobs, and I think you're a blatant liar. Do a little research on how aspertame works. It's not a flavoring, such as salt, sugar, or any other spice. Have you ever noticed that when you take that first sip of a diet drink, there's a couple of seconds when it just tastes kind of 'funny?' Aspertame is a chemical that gets into your blood stream, and goes to your brain to trigger your 'sweet' senses. This is fact, not some internet horor story. Not even the Nutrasweet company will argue this fact. This is precisely why many people get headaches from aspertame. Their bodies tend to reject synthetic chemicals in the brain. (Strangely enough, these are often the same people who have adverse reactions to the THC produced by marijuana.) Do you really want to take a brain altering chemical on a regular basis? Not me.

I won't even go into the 3 poisonous chemicals that Aspertame breaks down into at 86 degrees farenheit, since you can find that info with any simple search on Google. Nor will I go into the details of how the lab animals aspertame was tested on DIED, but the FDA employees who approved aspertame immediately quit the FDA and were hired by Nutrasweet in high ranking positions.

Try having a talk with any nutritionalist, or specialist in the field, and they'll ALWAYS tell you to avoid aspertame.

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Old 06-18-2003, 10:00 AM   #31
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I have had aspartame on a semi-regular basis and have never noticed any adverse effects. Such effects are due largely to people being phenylketonurik (i.e. not being able to properly dispose of phenylalanine), which would cause a build-up of the chemical and all sorts of damage.
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To exceed the safe levels you'd have to eat the equivalent of 300 packets in a day.
I particularly like this quote, since it shows a complete misunderstanding of how the chemicals involved in aspertame work. Having 1 packet a day for 300 days is the SAME as having 300 packets in one day. Your body does not metabolize the chemicals in aspertame, and one of the major problems caused by aspertame comes from the chemical getting into the brain, where it then breaks down into chemical molecules that are actually LARGER than the original chemical. These are too large to pass through the blood-brain barrier at the base of the skull where they build up.

(To be 100% correct, since I'm sure he'll now try to nit-pick my statements, the body can metabolize the chemicals, but it's VERY slow. A single soda will deposit a minute amount of chemical in your body that could take as much as 6 months to flush out. The more you consume, the more it builds up, and different people react to the toxic levels it raises too differently.)

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I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but you can't trick nature. From all of the reports I've read (yes, on the internet), and things I've heard from real people, I've come to the conclusion that sugar is safer. Better to consume 200 more calories than ingest some of the crazy things in diet soda.
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I have had aspartame on a semi-regular basis and have never noticed any adverse effects. Such effects are due largely to people being phenylketonurik (i.e. not being able to properly dispose of phenylalanine), which would cause a build-up of the chemical and all sorts of damage.
Define "semi-regular basis." And if you have at least 1 diet soda (or the equivilent) a day, try cutting it out of your diet COMPLETELY for 3 months. I guarantee when you feel the difference, you'll never go back to drinking diet sodas again.

I've even got theories on synthetic caffeenes being responsible for the skyrocket in cases of depression now-days. I myself was diagnosed as bi-polar. When I tried cleaning up my diet, I cut out the synthetic caffeenes (tea and coffee are fine) as kind of a side effect. I didn't really do it for any specific reason. A few weeks later, it dawned on me that I had not had a SINGLE bout with the depression in that time frame, and I actually felt "normal." I called my mother, and discussed it with her, because my younger sister also has a depression problem. After cutting the caffeene out of her diet as well, sure enough, her depression stopped.

I occasionally have slipped and had a caffinated soda (Cap'n and Coke is hard to give up) and inevitably, I always get depressed either that night, or the next.

Of course, there's no blanket answers that hold true for everyone. I mean, we all know that smoking damages your lungs. But I knew a man who smoked for 40 years, and when he went for an x-ray, his lungs were as clear as a man who'd never had a cigarette. Some people are just simply able to metabolize foreign chemicals, and invaders better than others. I'm just theorizing about the majority.

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Check out Pepsi One ... made with Splenda and Acesulfame-K.

Yeah there are a lot of nutjobs on the 'net with horror stories about nutrasweet or now splenda. About nutrasweet (aspartame) the fact is that for most people its perfectly fine. To exceed the safe levels you'd have to eat the equivalent of 300 packets in a day. However there are a small percentage of individuals who have a reaction to its active ingredient. Also, it's safety for pregant mothers hasn't been fully established (IMHO). My personal opinion is that it probably won't hurt you if you aren't a little baby, pregnant, or sensitive to its active ingredient. If you are truly health conscious though, you don't want to be drinking a lot of soda. But if you're diabetic or something, diet soda can be a rare treat.

As for Splenda, given that it is made by chemically modifying the sugar molecure, chances are its safer than aspartame. IMHO if you're pregnant or sickly you should stay away from any kind of diet soda, but splenda-drinks are probably better than aspartame.
I disagree completely. If you were to do a search on aspertame on the internet, you'll find that you get about 99% of the posts from people talking about their own horror stories caused by aspertame. My ex-fiance lived on aspertame, drinking diet drinks, eating diet sweets, adding equal to her foods. She was a virgin (ruling out STD) that got cervical cancer at the age of 19.

Another friend of mine was unable to move without a wheelchair, had numbness, and paralyzation in her extremities, and was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis by 4 different doctors. After trying everything under the sun, she just kept getting worse. She drank about 3 diet cokes a day. When she heard about the aspertame thing, she cut it out of her diet completely. Today, she lives as normal a life as any of us. You'd never know she was ever sick.

A guy in my graduating class in high school was the star quarterback of the football team. He also lived on aspertame, cutting all sugar out of his diet, and replacing it with equal, and diet sodas. He's now dead, having died of brain tumors at the age of 23.

My own mother can't drink a diet soda without getting migraines. This is also the case with two of the people I work with.


"Yeah there are a lot of nutjobs on the 'net with horror stories about nutrasweet or now splenda. About nutrasweet (aspartame) the fact is that for most people its perfectly fine."

I guess I'm one of those nutjobs, and I think you're a blatant liar. Do a little research on how aspertame works. It's not a flavoring, such as salt, sugar, or any other spice. Have you ever noticed that when you take that first sip of a diet drink, there's a couple of seconds when it just tastes kind of 'funny?' Aspertame is a chemical that gets into your blood stream, and goes to your brain to trigger your 'sweet' senses. This is fact, not some internet horor story. Not even the Nutrasweet company will argue this fact. This is precisely why many people get headaches from aspertame. Their bodies tend to reject synthetic chemicals in the brain. (Strangely enough, these are often the same people who have adverse reactions to the THC produced by marijuana.) Do you really want to take a brain altering chemical on a regular basis? Not me.

I won't even go into the 3 poisonous chemicals that Aspertame breaks down into at 86 degrees farenheit, since you can find that info with any simple search on Google. Nor will I go into the details of how the lab animals aspertame was tested on DIED, but the FDA employees who approved aspertame immediately quit the FDA and were hired by Nutrasweet in high ranking positions.

Try having a talk with any nutritionalist, or specialist in the field, and they'll ALWAYS tell you to avoid aspertame.

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Originally posted by: ExplodingBoy Check out Pepsi One ... made with Splenda and Acesulfame-K. Yeah there are a lot of nutjobs on the 'net with horror stories about nutrasweet or now splenda. About nutrasweet (aspartame) the fact is that for most people its perfectly fine. To exceed the safe levels you'd have to eat the equivalent of 300 packets in a day. However there are a small percentage of individuals who have a reaction to its active ingredient. Also, it's safety for pregant mothers hasn't been fully established (IMHO). My personal opinion is that it probably won't hurt you if you aren't a little baby, pregnant, or sensitive to its active ingredient. If you are truly health conscious though, you don't want to be drinking a lot of soda. But if you're diabetic or something, diet soda can be a rare treat. As for Splenda, given that it is made by chemically modifying the sugar molecure, chances are its safer than aspartame. IMHO if you're pregnant or sickly you should stay away from any kind of diet soda, but splenda-drinks are probably better than aspartame.
I disagree completely. If you were to do a search on aspertame on the internet, you'll find that you get about 99% of the posts from people talking about their own horror stories caused by aspertame. My ex-fiance lived on aspertame, drinking diet drinks, eating diet sweets, adding equal to her foods. She was a virgin (ruling out STD) that got cervical cancer at the age of 19. Another friend of mine was unable to move without a wheelchair, had numbness, and paralyzation in her extremities, and was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis by 4 different doctors. After trying everything under the sun, she just kept getting worse. She drank about 3 diet cokes a day. When she heard about the aspertame thing, she cut it out of her diet completely. Today, she lives as normal a life as any of us. You'd never know she was ever sick. A guy in my graduating class in high school was the star quarterback of the football team. He also lived on aspertame, cutting all sugar out of his diet, and replacing it with equal, and diet sodas. He's now dead, having died of brain tumors at the age of 23. My own mother can't drink a diet soda without getting migraines. This is also the case with two of the people I work with. "Yeah there are a lot of nutjobs on the 'net with horror stories about nutrasweet or now splenda. About nutrasweet (aspartame) the fact is that for most people its perfectly fine." I guess I'm one of those nutjobs, and I think you're a blatant liar. Do a little research on how aspertame works. It's not a flavoring, such as salt, sugar, or any other spice. Have you ever noticed that when you take that first sip of a diet drink, there's a couple of seconds when it just tastes kind of 'funny?' Aspertame is a chemical that gets into your blood stream, and goes to your brain to trigger your 'sweet' senses. This is fact, not some internet horor story. Not even the Nutrasweet company will argue this fact. This is precisely why many people get headaches from aspertame. Their bodies tend to reject synthetic chemicals in the brain. (Strangely enough, these are often the same people who have adverse reactions to the THC produced by marijuana.) Do you really want to take a brain altering chemical on a regular basis? Not me. I won't even go into the 3 poisonous chemicals that Aspertame breaks down into at 86 degrees farenheit, since you can find that info with any simple search on Google. Nor will I go into the details of how the lab animals aspertame was tested on DIED, but the FDA employees who approved aspertame immediately quit the FDA and were hired by Nutrasweet in high ranking positions. Try having a talk with any nutritionalist, or specialist in the field, and they'll ALWAYS tell you to avoid aspertame. -Javin
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Check out Pepsi One ... made with Splenda and Acesulfame-K.

Yeah there are a lot of nutjobs on the 'net with horror stories about nutrasweet or now splenda. About nutrasweet (aspartame) the fact is that for most people its perfectly fine. To exceed the safe levels you'd have to eat the equivalent of 300 packets in a day. However there are a small percentage of individuals who have a reaction to its active ingredient. Also, it's safety for pregant mothers hasn't been fully established (IMHO). My personal opinion is that it probably won't hurt you if you aren't a little baby, pregnant, or sensitive to its active ingredient. If you are truly health conscious though, you don't want to be drinking a lot of soda. But if you're diabetic or something, diet soda can be a rare treat.

As for Splenda, given that it is made by chemically modifying the sugar molecure, chances are its safer than aspartame. IMHO if you're pregnant or sickly you should stay away from any kind of diet soda, but splenda-drinks are probably better than aspartame.
I disagree completely. If you were to do a search on aspertame on the internet, you'll find that you get about 99% of the posts from people talking about their own horror stories caused by aspertame. My ex-fiance lived on aspertame, drinking diet drinks, eating diet sweets, adding equal to her foods. She was a virgin (ruling out STD) that got cervical cancer at the age of 19.

Another friend of mine was unable to move without a wheelchair, had numbness, and paralyzation in her extremities, and was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis by 4 different doctors. After trying everything under the sun, she just kept getting worse. She drank about 3 diet cokes a day. When she heard about the aspertame thing, she cut it out of her diet completely. Today, she lives as normal a life as any of us. You'd never know she was ever sick.

A guy in my graduating class in high school was the star quarterback of the football team. He also lived on aspertame, cutting all sugar out of his diet, and replacing it with equal, and diet sodas. He's now dead, having died of brain tumors at the age of 23.

My own mother can't drink a diet soda without getting migraines. This is also the case with two of the people I work with.


"Yeah there are a lot of nutjobs on the 'net with horror stories about nutrasweet or now splenda. About nutrasweet (aspartame) the fact is that for most people its perfectly fine."

I guess I'm one of those nutjobs, and I think you're a blatant liar. Do a little research on how aspertame works. It's not a flavoring, such as salt, sugar, or any other spice. Have you ever noticed that when you take that first sip of a diet drink, there's a couple of seconds when it just tastes kind of 'funny?' Aspertame is a chemical that gets into your blood stream, and goes to your brain to trigger your 'sweet' senses. This is fact, not some internet horor story. Not even the Nutrasweet company will argue this fact. This is precisely why many people get headaches from aspertame. Their bodies tend to reject synthetic chemicals in the brain. (Strangely enough, these are often the same people who have adverse reactions to the THC produced by marijuana.) Do you really want to take a brain altering chemical on a regular basis? Not me.

I won't even go into the 3 poisonous chemicals that Aspertame breaks down into at 86 degrees farenheit, since you can find that info with any simple search on Google. Nor will I go into the details of how the lab animals aspertame was tested on DIED, but the FDA employees who approved aspertame immediately quit the FDA and were hired by Nutrasweet in high ranking positions.

Try having a talk with any nutritionalist, or specialist in the field, and they'll ALWAYS tell you to avoid aspertame.

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Are you still looking for an answer to the original question?

Weight Watchers has their own brand of soda... at least I think that is the brand.

It is made with sucralose, which I think is the main ingredient in Splenda products (sucralose is the actual sugar replacement).

I'd suggest you try that. Fruit 2o is also made with Sucralose but isn't a carbonated product (but a good water based product).

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I agree, i cant drink any diet crap. When i do i get an instant headache.
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I agree, i cant drink any diet crap. When i do i get an instant headache.
Yep. I've drank... maybe 3 diet sodas in my life. Mostly when I had eaten something terrible and needed some other taste.

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semi-regular would be defined in my case as perhaps one diet drink/day during the school year, and one diet drink/two months (if that) during the summer. I notice no difference in my mood or in any tendency towards headaches or other physical ailments whether I'm drinking aspartame daily or bi-monthly.

I'm not discounting the fact that aspartame might have effects on certain people. I'm just saying that I'd need to see a LOT of research backing the point up before believing it. Everything in this thread thus far (even your bout with bi-polarism, which could indeed be explained by things other than aspartame) is antecdotal evidence...which really is fairly useless in terms of science or logic. Like I said, I'm definitely not saying aspartame is as healthy as sugar, or has no detrimental effects. I'm simply saying that I've never seen any research significantly displaying this fact.

As far as the 300 packets of Equal goes: you'd need to consume that much PER DAY to technically not be able to synthesize the aspartame from your system. Anything less than that, and your body has been shown (I believe) to deal with it.

But if you do tend to have headaches while drinking something with aspartame in it, then DON'T DRINK IT! It's very possible you could have PKA, and as such might cause yourself permanent brain damage by continuing to drink the substance.
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semi-regular would be defined in my case as perhaps one diet drink/day during the school year, and one diet drink/two months (if that) during the summer. I notice no difference in my mood or in any tendency towards headaches or other physical ailments whether I'm drinking aspartame daily or bi-monthly.

I'm not discounting the fact that aspartame might have effects on certain people. I'm just saying that I'd need to see a LOT of research backing the point up before believing it. Everything in this thread thus far (even your bout with bi-polarism, which could indeed be explained by things other than aspartame) is antecdotal evidence...which really is fairly useless in terms of science or logic. Like I said, I'm definitely not saying aspartame is as healthy as sugar, or has no detrimental effects. I'm simply saying that I've never seen any research significantly displaying this fact.

As far as the 300 packets of Equal goes: you'd need to consume that much PER DAY to technically not be able to synthesize the aspartame from your system. Anything less than that, and your body has been shown (I believe) to deal with it.

But if you do tend to have headaches while drinking something with aspartame in it, then DON'T DRINK IT! It's very possible you could have PKA, and as such might cause yourself permanent brain damage by continuing to drink the substance.
Agreed. I think aspartame is safe. A lot of other posts seems to be B.S. or the placebo effect to me.
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I recently switched from regular pop/soda. Considering the sheer amount of pop I drink, the change in calories was an immediate start to dropping a few pounds. Also, I've had lots of trouble with my teeth. Cutting out the sugar is a great step in the right direction for saving what teeth remain.

Always hated diet stuff, but I've grown accustomed to it (figured if so many people drank it, it had to be an acquired taste).

I'd suggest Diet Dr. Pepper as one of the better tasting diet drinks. I'm really tempted to shift entirely to Diet Rite and Diet RC, however. My fiance has awful migraines... The more likely cause is the birth control, but ya never know, could be something to do with aspartame.
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Check out Pepsi One ... made with Splenda and Acesulfame-K.
[cut info about splenda=good, aspartame=bad]

But Pepsi One is made w/ aspartame, not splenda.
http://www.pepsione.com/productinfo/productinfo.htm

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Old 06-20-2003, 11:14 AM   #47
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Default RE: Cola with caffeine, no sugar & no aspartame?

I think it's called water
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Old 06-20-2003, 11:24 AM   #48
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Default Cola with caffeine, no sugar & no aspartame?

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Are you still looking for an answer to the original question?

Weight Watchers has their own brand of soda... at least I think that is the brand.

It is made with sucralose, which I think is the main ingredient in Splenda products (sucralose is the actual sugar replacement).

I'd suggest you try that. Fruit 2o is also made with Sucralose but isn't a carbonated product (but a good water based product).

Hope this helps you.

"Sucralose, 500X sweeter than natural sugar!"

Thanks. Will check it out.

I looked at Publix, who straingly had Tab, but no Diet RC (had regular) or Diet Mr. Pibb (nor regular). Mr. Pibb availability is a regional thing.

Someone here said Tab doesn't have aspartame, and although it is the last ingredient listed, it does have it. Saccarine is the main ingredient.
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