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Old 01-20-2005, 10:45 PM   #1
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Default Quick and dirty A64 clocking guide **UPDATE** X2 OC information!

Overclocking breaks things which you alone are resposible for, not AMD, not intel, not Nivida, not Ati, not xyz mobo maker. Proceed at your own risk.

this is a quick and dirty guide. I am aiming for simplicity since it's not all that complicated to OC A64's even for first timers. I am also aiming for safty so you don't kill anything so lower volts are advocated. Just good clean fun to get an FX or better from your budget chip.

VERY IMPORTANT to keep in mind at all times is hypertransport needs to be around 1000, meaning LDT x HTT (aka FSB) ~1000 or less.

Now we will Isolate then Consolidate.

What that means is you need to test three parts of the CPU subsystem (chipset, chip, and memory) to find max speeds of each.. Then combine them for some sort of optimal overclock.

ISOLATE
Don't forget to take notes.

1. Max HTT/FSB should be first ..*only works if motherboard has locks. Most A64 boards do today. Sata 1 and 2 are not locked on some nforce mobos use 3 and 4.
-set CPU multi to 6 or 7, this will take CPU out of equation
-set memory to SPD and 100, this will take memory out of equation
-Increase HTT/FSB up until you fail to boot or there abouts, back down 5%, (HTT * 0.95), this is your max safe HTT.

2. Max Chip capable
- Set multiplier to it's maxium
-Set vcore to 1.6 -1.65 for 130nm chips, 1.50-1.55 for 90nm chips
-Set mem to SPD and 100, this will take memory out of equation
-starting with HTT 200 raise in about 5Mhz increments up to boards max found earlier or until you start failing PRIME95 which will probably happen first..only give it 5 minutes max, that's good enough for now.
-At the point it starts failing within that 5 min time period, back down 5%, (CPU MHZ * 0.95), thats your max CPU speed, now test prime again at 95% for 12 hour for stable.
Prime 95 Link http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm

3. Memory MAX

It depends what you want and type of mem you chose, LL or Bandwidth but must keep 1T (command rate) because A64 suffers big time with 2T.

-For high bandwidth set mem setting to 200 and 2.5-4-3-7 1 T and give it boards max volts, or for LL set mem setting to 200 and 2-2-2-7 1 T and give it boards max volts. (up to 2.9Vdimm is safe with all ram) ( Caution DFI/ABIT users -- do not exceed 3.0V unless you know what you are doing!!!)
-Set CPUs multi to 6-7, again to take it out of equation.
-Raise HTT up to boards max or until you start failing memtest86 test 5 and 6 http://www.memtest86.com/
-When you start failing memtest86 test 5 and 6, back down 5%, (HTT * 0.95), thats your max MEM speed.

CONSOLIDATE

The most important thing to keep in mind is CPU Speed is king. So now that you know your CPU speed from above, use it. Say it's Winchester 3000 and it's 2650Mhz prime stable and with it's 9 multiplier it needs 295 HTT to get there (9x295=2650)...NP right, but you got some value ram which only clocked to 210Mhz from your above testing. Well obviously you can't run the ram at 1:1 which would be 295Mhz, you must use a mem divider. You can use the memory divider (mem setting) to get as close as possible to your mem max found above.

This is the rough way to calculate IE close enough..

Memsetting setting
200 = HTT Mhz
183 = HTT x .90 = Mhz
166 = HTT x .83 = Mhz
150 = HTT x .75 = Mhz
133 = HTT x .66 = Mhz
100 = HTT x .50 = Mhz

What can my 210Mhz memory run in this config?
295 x .83 = 244 = not a chance
295 x .75 = 221 = not quite
295 x .66 = 195 Yes, but slow.

You have two choices, try and tighen timings and run 195 which is perfectly OK choice. Or Change CPU multiplier and start over. Ideally you want for max CPU and memory to coinside...Does'nt always work the way you want... My Ballistix below is 245Mhz stable but I'm running less for more CPU speed which always wins. You should too.


To help you along in the "consolidate" phase user Gogar has made a niffty script found here.
Just put in those maximuns found under the "isolate" phase and it will spit out the best choices.

After you go though these steps , take notes, you'll become more familiar with the whole tweaking process (learn by doing) and will be able to dial in better frequencies, timings, voltages, and faster too. But this should get you pretty close to safe and optimal speeds



UPDATE: Dual core CPU stability testing
X2 is not any different than a single processor overclocking but for volts and when prime testing CPU(s) for stability:

Volts should not exceed 1.45 for safe operation!

Prime95
1. Make two folders with Prime95
http://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v2413.zip

2. Starting two instances: Launch both instances from each folder and choose: torture test > small FFT's > click OK.

3. Next, launch taskmanager and set affinity of the first instance of prime to CPU 0 only. The other instance of prime to CPU 1 only.
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Old 01-20-2005, 10:55 PM   #2
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Old 01-20-2005, 10:58 PM   #3
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i will definately be looking back on this once i get my A64 system ..... that is a very good guide.
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Old 01-21-2005, 12:33 AM   #4
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VERY nice guide, i say sticky (hopefully avoid all of the n00b questions lately). Short, sweet, covers all of the main bases. Might want to put something about temps too, just a sentence or two.
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Old 01-21-2005, 12:49 AM   #5
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adjustable mpliers are so much fun
add multiple memory ratios and you just plain cant go wrong.

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Old 01-21-2005, 12:49 AM   #6
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Oh ya temps// Just to make sure your HSF is not upside down or something keep temps less than 65C.

Seriously temps should not matter up to a certain level, passing prime95 is your concern. If your chip is too hot it will fail prime 95. Lower your overclock. Natually the lower temps the more you can overclock (by my calcs it's +5% of base speed for every 10C you lower temps)

Say for example your max OC is 2500Mhz with a 1.8 chip And your reading load temps of 55C..What happens with 45C, from a better cooler? 1800 x .05 = 90Mhz + 2500 = 2590Mhz with the better cooling.

Why do I take such a careless view of temps? Mainly because motherboard diodes are highly inaccurate. I've had same identical mobos, same clock, same HSF side by side vary by 15C!!! Also a simple bios change can change your temps by 20C!!! Temps are only valid in a relative sense. On your board when comparing different cooling solutions.
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Old 01-21-2005, 01:14 AM   #7
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adjustable mpliers are so much fun
add multiple memory ratios and you just plain cant go wrong.

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When are you switching to A64 Thugs?

You've been hugging that P4 for wayyy too long.
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Old 01-21-2005, 01:15 AM   #8
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He's fine.. he needs to wait till thier showing 3.0 air overclocks.. Rev E winchs will do this:thumbsup:

Plus NF4 and NF3 DFI's will be here...

Meaning he can run that BH-5 at 1.5-2-2 @ 270 Mhz:shocked:
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Old 01-21-2005, 01:28 AM   #10
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Check out this latency BH-5 on DFI no OCZ booster... 265Mhz 1.5-2-2 1T 36ns

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...showthread.php?t=50421
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Very nice basic guide

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What for? Dual channel means very little w/ A64. Just set your HTT to 234 (locks kick in there on your mobo) either with 11 or 10 multi and 1.65Vcore or less if possible.. I bet you you'll prime... 2580Mhz or 2340 for sure...

You may have to use mem divider.

All 3200 NC are AX cored... meaning 2500 on air is quite normal..
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omfg zebo i thought u were kidding about that ram...that is in-sane. that guy only gets 1sec more then me on superpi 1m, so i guess the extra 1500MB/s dosn't matter a huge amount.
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What for? Dual channel means very little w/ A64. Just set your HTT to 234 (locks kick in there on your mobo) either with 11 or 10 multi and 1.65Vcore or less if possible.. I bet you you'll prime... 2580Mhz or 2340 for sure...

You may have to use mem divider.

All 3200 NC are AX cored... meaning 2500 on air is quite normal..
Seriously :Q?

I heard the rumor about my unlocked mobo locking at 233 & 266, but it's actually true?

If it's indeed true, do you know offhand if my SATA HDDs are also locked?

I am rather worried about something screwing up with them.
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Look between PCI slots 1 and 2 n7 for table...
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Hmm, i see the table now.
Says 233.33/66/33

However, i couldn't get into Windows at all
I tried 233 & 234 with my RAM at below spec (4:3) @ up to 1.625V...but no go.

I have to work in a few hrs....will investigate this more on the weekend, but i think maybe the VIA SATA port my Raptor is on is not locked.
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Hmm, i see the table now.
Says 233.33/66/33

However, i couldn't get into Windows at all
I tried 233 & 234 with my RAM at below spec (4:3) @ up to 1.625V...but no go.

I have to work in a few hrs....will investigate this more on the weekend, but i think maybe the VIA SATA port my Raptor is on is not locked.
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ISOLATE

1. Max FSB should be first
-set CPU multi to 6 or 7, this will take CPU out of equation
-set memory to SPD and 100, this will take memory out of equation
-Increase HTT/FSB up until you fail to boot or there abouts, back down 5%, (HTT * 0.95)
this is your max safe HTT.
First things first...^^^^ on your via board, since it only has incremental locks, you're safe between (234-237) and (267-271)
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Anyone know if my K8N Neo Platinum has SATA locks?
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Great guide. I'll be getting my A64 3000+ in a few weeks, so I'll be using it. I've been looking at that Epox board...is it stable? While overlocking a big thing, I would rather sacrifice a bit of speed for somethign that is rock solid stable. I'm talking no reboots for 15 days with no problems kind of stability.
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Nice guide, ot question but what is the highest safe voltage for these A64s [130nm & 90nm], Im running at 1.78 now which got me from 2650mhz @ 1.68 to my current speed 2.72ghz, and ive booted as high as 2800 but it crashes as soon as i enter windows. I think more vcore and i can go higher but is it safe above 1.8 for a newcastle ?
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nice guide

bump for sticky

however im seem to get stuck after 220FSB....on ASUS K8N-E Deluxe, could you put something about the sata ports, which ones are locked/ unlocked? i was told the nforce 3 ones arent locked
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bumping this baby back to the top!
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