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Old 05-27-2003, 12:20 AM   #1
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Default Mag Innovision LT865b $350 after 2 $50 MIRs at BB this week!

Looks pretty nice to me! Anyone have any experience with this? Link
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Old 05-27-2003, 12:22 AM   #2
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Looks like a good deal to me personally.
This would be a good monitor for the stay at home parent or the kid. But, for us gamers it would suck. 30ms response times.
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Old 05-27-2003, 12:28 AM   #3
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Please briefly explain the what the response time does and how it not great for gaming when its high?


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Looks like a good deal to me personally.
This would be a good monitor for the stay at home parent or the kid. But, for us gamers it would suck. 30ms response times.
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Old 05-27-2003, 12:43 AM   #4
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Default Mag Innovision 18" LCD, LT865b $350 after 2 $50 MIRs at BB this week!

LT865s/b (Silver/Black) Feature Specifications Download PDF
PANEL Type TFT active matrix LCD (16.7 million colors)
Size 18" viewable
Viewing Angle 160° horizontal, 160° vertical (typ)
DOT Pitch 0.279mm
Response Time 30ms (typ)
Brightness 250 cd/m2 (typ)
Contrast Ratio 400:1
VIDEO INPUT Video RGB 15 pin D-Sub analog
Frequency Fh:30-80kHz, Fv:50-75Hz
Analog Sync H/V Separated (TTL), composite sync, sync on green
Audio Speakers Two 2W speakers
COMPATIBILITY PC VGA up to 1280 x 1024 @ 75HZ
Mac®3 Power Mac? up to 1280 x 1024
CONNECTORS Analog RGB 15 pin mini D-sub
Sync separate Sync, TTL Compatible
Power AC 100-240 Volt 50/60Hz Adapter
ERGONOMICS Tilt 5 degrees forward, 45 degrees back
Swivel Left & Right 0 degrees
USER CONTROLS Button Control Power ON/OFF Switch, Power LED Indicator, Digital four keys control panel controller
OSD Control Brightness, Contrast ,H Position, V Position, H Size, Phase, Color Select , Auto Adjustment, Reset, Language, OSD Adjustment, Exit
BANDWIDTH Pixel Clock 135 Mhz
POWER CONSUMTION Operating 70 Watt
Off Mode 5 Watt
DISPLAY AREA Factory Setting 357mm (H) x 286mm (V)
DIMENSIONS Physical 459mm (W) x 407mm(H)x 165mm (D)(18.07" x 16.02"x 6.49" )
Packing 508mm (W) x 461mm (H) x 213mm (D)(20.0" x 18.14"x 8.38" )
WEIGHT Net 7.7Kg (17.0 lbs.)
Packing 9.7Kg (21.3 lbs.)
PLUG&PLAY DDC1 & DDC2B
REGULATIONS UL, TUV/GS, DHHS, CE, FCC-B, BSMI, C-Tick, CCEE, VCCI, MPR II, CB, TCO99
POWER MANAGEMENT Meets Energy Star®, VESA® DPMS?, TCO '99 and Energy 2000 standards
OPERATING ENVIENMENT Operating Temperature/Humidity:5oC to 35oC / 20% to 80% (No-condensing)
Storage Temperature/Humidity:-20oC to 60oC (With Packing)/10% to 90% (No-condensing)

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Old 05-27-2003, 12:44 AM   #5
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Good deal, the only thing that would make it hotter would be DVI, I'd say.
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Old 05-27-2003, 01:40 AM   #6
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Please briefly explain the what the response time does and how it not great for gaming when its high?


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Looks like a good deal to me personally.
This would be a good monitor for the stay at home parent or the kid. But, for us gamers it would suck. 30ms response times.
16ms response time for gaming,
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Old 05-27-2003, 06:21 AM   #7
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nice deal! i remember 1 yr ago when 15" were @ this price while the 17" were @ $500.

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Old 05-27-2003, 06:37 AM   #8
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Please briefly explain the what the response time does and how it not great for gaming when its high?


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Originally posted by: DoctaMason
Looks like a good deal to me personally.
This would be a good monitor for the stay at home parent or the kid. But, for us gamers it would suck. 30ms response times.
16ms response time for gaming,
Is this 16ms a measured response time of this product, or are you just stating that this is the target a gamer should be looking at? Even though this particular product is advertising 30ms, I am a) curious to know what the measured response time is, and b) if this would be suitable for the wife in her application-only (ok, maybe DVD movie, too) lifestyle?
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Old 05-27-2003, 08:36 AM   #9
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Default Mag Innovision 18" LCD, LT865b $350 after 2 $50 MIRs at BB this week!

I snagged this deal from Best Buy with those two $50 rebates and 10% off coupon ($305 total before taxes). Am very happy with it and it's surprisingly good, especially for what I paid.

I've watched Lord of the Rings on it and it was fine - no ghosting or blurring, etc. so you should be okay watching DVDs on it, etc.

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Old 05-27-2003, 11:39 AM   #10
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16ms response = 1/.016 = 62fps
25ms response = 1/.025 = 40fps
30ms response = 1/.03 = 33fps
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Old 05-27-2003, 11:57 AM   #11
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10% discount? can u elaborate?
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Old 05-27-2003, 02:11 PM   #12
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It's been said before, but I'll reiterate: don't put much faith in response times stated by the manufacturer as there is no universal testing methodology in place. You're much better off inspecting the screen in person or reading about others' first hand experiences.

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Old 05-27-2003, 02:43 PM   #13
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Default Mag Innovision 18" LCD, LT865b $350 after 2 $50 MIRs at BB this week!

my dell 1800 FP works fine for gaming. its been quoted at 25 and 30 ms. not sure which it is - but it certinally isnt 16ms.

33-40 fps is enough for me. works good in movies, counterstrike, eq, warcraft 3.

so whatever. those old 40ms screens did suck - they were too slow.

if i REALLY try sometimes i can notice ghosting.....but i notice the polygon ripping more(in some games) so whatever =)

my 2 cents =)
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Old 05-27-2003, 02:47 PM   #14
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Good deal, the only thing that would make it hotter would be DVI, I'd say.
Yep -- wish it had that...
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Old 05-27-2003, 03:55 PM   #15
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my dell 1800 FP works fine for gaming. its been quoted at 25 and 30 ms. not sure which it is - but it certinally isnt 16ms.

33-40 fps is enough for me. works good in movies, counterstrike, eq, warcraft 3.

so whatever. those old 40ms screens did suck - they were too slow.

if i REALLY try sometimes i can notice ghosting.....but i notice the polygon ripping more(in some games) so whatever =)

my 2 cents =)
Yeah, I have the Dell 1800FP as well. DVI off an AIW ATI 8500 128MB. No ghosting here that I ever see, regardless of what the specs are.

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Old 05-27-2003, 10:51 PM   #16
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16ms response = 1/.016 = 62fps
25ms response = 1/.025 = 40fps
30ms response = 1/.03 = 33fps
Now come on, did you really think I was that clueless? I was asking if the person I originally replied to was suggestnig that this monitor was actually 16ms, if it was a target he was suggesting, or something else.
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Old 05-27-2003, 11:15 PM   #17
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Here's a good article to read before selecting your LCD, you'll have second thoughts after reading it.

Brought to you by your folks at PC World: LCD Specs: Useless?
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Old 05-28-2003, 07:22 AM   #18
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Ok, that article seemed to focus on contrast ratio. Mind you this is a computer monitor and not a flat-panel home theater display. I would certainly not expect this product to perform to the level that my RPTV did when new, not my CRT projector. Its a PC monitor for god sakes.
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Old 06-04-2003, 07:14 PM   #19
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Where did you get the 10% Coupon and the other $50 rebate. Thank you
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Old 06-04-2003, 07:46 PM   #20
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So if you play a game with 100+ fps it will ghost? I mean 62fps is still low these days, is it not???
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