IOW, as far as i can tell, it was silently launched today.
The way "official people" are responding to questions, it seems NDA is likely not up though.
the specs according to the website list the wrong amount of shaders for a GTS v2... it seems to me like this is simply the third tier overclocked GTSv1. (evga have 3 different overclock versions per card)
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I thought it might just be some marketing crap too, but i don't think so.
It seems to me like those who know for certain aren't allowed to say, but it seems pretty likely this is the new one.
(At least to me if you read between the lines posted by the NCIX & eVGA guy.)
What is this "96+" thing? That looks consistent with some reports last week that Nvidia is prohibiting the card companies from advertising the new GTS explicitly, but it makes no sense at all.
I doubt this is a 112 SP card like the GT though, as it's actually clocked lower and would be slower in some cases. It would need to have at least 128.
Dude this is ridiculous how many spoofs of thsi line are out there. I can't believe how much demand there must actually be out there!!! it is huge. To offer so many flavors man! Well looks fishy to me but you know what it might be the catch of the day (that was dumb).
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GUESS: 128 shader G92 core. Still has 320bit bus and 640MB GDDR3. AND it has the nice spicey dual slot cooler for o/c goodness.
And if it's the G92 core, that means it is tweaked just like the 8800GT with twice the amount of texture/filters of G80. And the next version of PureVideo which seems to kick arse.
576/1800. If the 8800GT gets that close to a 8800GTX, then this V2 8800GTS should beat a GTX fairly easily.
The 8800GT has rendered the 8800GTS useless. Now this V2 8800GTS will render the 8800GTX useless. (as if the 8800GT didn't do this anyway at that price).
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The "new" 8800GTS will has 112SPs and some bumps to core/mem clocks. This is based on the old G80 core as nVIDIA wants to get rid of its inventory. EVGA will release the super.. super! clocked edition along with BFGs 8800GTS 640mb Extreme edition.
These GTS cards will work in SLI with the 96SP GTS. Confusing but this card could pack some punch. But 8800GT looks more favorable right now because it just falls short of a GTX.
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The "new" 8800GTS will has 112SPs and some bumps to core/mem clocks. This is based on the old G80 core as nVIDIA wants to get rid of its inventory. EVGA will release the super.. super! clocked edition along with BFGs 8800GTS 640mb Extreme edition.
These GTS cards will work in SLI with the 96SP GTS. Confusing but this card could pack some punch. But 8800GT looks more favorable right now because it just falls short of a GTX.
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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The "new" 8800GTS will has 112SPs and some bumps to core/mem clocks. This is based on the old G80 core as nVIDIA wants to get rid of its inventory. EVGA will release the super.. super! clocked edition along with BFGs 8800GTS 640mb Extreme edition.
These GTS cards will work in SLI with the 96SP GTS. Confusing but this card could pack some punch. But 8800GT looks more favorable right now because it just falls short of a GTX.
Ya I tend to agree, G92 with the 8th octet unlocked for 128SPs. Should put it just ahead of the GT at the lower clock speed, but the artificially imposed lower clock of 576MHz put in so it doesn't outright destroy the GTX and maintains the semblance of hierarchy at least at stock speeds.
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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The "new" 8800GTS will has 112SPs and some bumps to core/mem clocks. This is based on the old G80 core as nVIDIA wants to get rid of its inventory. EVGA will release the super.. super! clocked edition along with BFGs 8800GTS 640mb Extreme edition.
These GTS cards will work in SLI with the 96SP GTS. Confusing but this card could pack some punch. But 8800GT looks more favorable right now because it just falls short of a GTX.
Ya I tend to agree, G92 with the 8th octet unlocked for 128SPs. Should put it just ahead of the GT at the lower clock speed, but the artificially imposed lower clock of 576MHz put in so it doesn't outright destroy the GTX and maintains the semblance of hierarchy at least at stock speeds.
Nope. I don't think that is what is intended. I don't think NV cares if the GTS V2 destroy's the current GTX, because in November, the "V2" GTX will be here. All 90nm parts are being phased out. I doubt that any 90nm parts are still in production at all. Just letting the stocks run out.
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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The "new" 8800GTS will has 112SPs and some bumps to core/mem clocks. This is based on the old G80 core as nVIDIA wants to get rid of its inventory. EVGA will release the super.. super! clocked edition along with BFGs 8800GTS 640mb Extreme edition.
These GTS cards will work in SLI with the 96SP GTS. Confusing but this card could pack some punch. But 8800GT looks more favorable right now because it just falls short of a GTX.
Ya I tend to agree, G92 with the 8th octet unlocked for 128SPs. Should put it just ahead of the GT at the lower clock speed, but the artificially imposed lower clock of 576MHz put in so it doesn't outright destroy the GTX and maintains the semblance of hierarchy at least at stock speeds.
Nope. I don't think that is what is intended. I don't think NV cares if the GTS V2 destroy's the current GTX, because in November, the "V2" GTX will be here. All 90nm parts are being phased out. I doubt that any 90nm parts are still in production at all. Just letting the stocks run out.
V2 GTX isn't slated for 2007. Pretty sure they were talking January 08 for the new high-end, which will most likely be 2 x G92 on either the same package or GX2-style.
If NV didn't care if the GTS V2 destroyed the current GTX they would've set its clocks for 600-700MHz similar to the GT, but setting the clocks lower will give the GTX time to go EOL and actually move off the shelves.
Given the kind of benchmarking done in the industry, stock clocks do actually matter even if they don't accurately represent real world performance or potential.
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If it was a g92 core, then it would have to be the new 65nm gpu, which I highly doubt it is, especially since it would have to be sli-compatible with the g80 gts. I'm thinking it's still the old g80 core with either 112 or 128 shaders enabled, intended to help clear out the remaining inventory.
Keys - I tend to agree with you, though I'm still a bit mystified by the GT's pricing. If the new GTS is what some expect (128 shaders, 640MB RAM on 320-bit bus, clocked reasonably well), it will certainly outrun the GTX. The question is: given how competitive the GT's 112 shaders 256/512 configuration is with the GTX, it's hard for me to imagine this new 8800GTS staying in the $350 price range. You'll get 80-85% of its performance for $100-150 less. That gap is a little wide for me.
I guess what I'm saying is that recent pricing structures seem to have slots at $250-300, $350-400, and $500+. The noises NVIDIA has made about the GT's pricing (which seem to amount to it being a $150-250 part), leaves almost three gaps above it, not two.
In another thread, I wonder out loud if the 8800GT will become the new 7600GT. I'm wondering if the new 8800GTS will occupy the $250-300 spot, with new $350-400 and $500+ parts coming before long.
I would say NVIDIA will just continue to cash in on AMD/ATI's lackluster competition, but the gap between the GT and even the new GTS seems too close, and the price range the GT seems destined for too low, for something else not to be out there.
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If it was a g92 core, then it would have to be the new 65nm gpu, which I highly doubt it is, especially since it would have to be sli-compatible with the g80 gts. I'm thinking it's still the old g80 core with either 112 or 128 shaders enabled, intended to help clear out the remaining inventory.
Not sure how NV is going to work out the SLI issues with all the different variants and SKUs, but that's a whole nother headache.
Reason why I'm leaning towards a 65nm G92 core is that it simply doesn't make sense for NV to uncuff the G80 for a GTS since that'll simply move it closer to a GTX which they could do with a much cheaper part in the G92. With the G92, the parts are already there (7 of 8 clusters on GT, leaving room for a 128SP part) and the chip is much cheaper to produce.
In the end I'm pretty sure a same-clocked 128SP G80 will still outperform a 128SP G92, especially at higher resolutions where the additional texture memory (and maybe even memory bus) would come into play. Main differences would then be 16 ROP vs. 24 ROP and 64 TMUs vs. 32 TMUs, but current GT to GTX comparisons tend to show the extra ROPs yield bigger performance gains especially in shader intensive games and higher resolutions. Of course this is before you do any overclocking, at which point a 128SP G92 should surpass a 128SP G80.
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Looking at the way they've been building the site, EVGA really does look like it's starting to bump the 90nm parts out, slowly. They've got the 8800GT, the 8800GTS, and now there's a gap where the new high end should be. I wouldn't be surprised if a new enthusiast card debuted this coming month. I'd be delighted, but not surprised. I'd actually be more surprised if they DIDN'T release one.
Well, according to the NCIX staff, this is the new G92 based 8800GTS for sure.
One of them wrote:
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I think people will be verrrrry interested once benchmarks on these start coming out. There is a reason why these aren't being widely publicized and it ain't because of bad news!
Well, 8800GT is an awesome card, and it should be obvious that the new 8800GTS would eclipse old 8800GTX or even Ultra. I want to pick one up but I want to see some benches before I do.
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Well, according to the NCIX staff, this is the new G92 based 8800GTS for sure.
One of them wrote:
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I think people will be verrrrry interested once benchmarks on these start coming out. There is a reason why these aren't being widely publicized and it ain't because of bad news!
Well, 8800GT is an awesome card, and it should be obvious that the new 8800GTS would eclipse old 8800GTX or even Ultra. I want to pick one up but I want to see some benches before I do.
I sure hope thats true! I am playing the waiting game as well because I would like to see benchmarks as well. Now they have me very curious!
I just wish these video cards started carrying at least 1 GB of video ram because we will need that minimum in Crysis if you want to run all details on very high, pretty high resolution, AA and AF.
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"......UPDATE - 10/29/07-8:29am: A very interesting addendum to this. I just got off the phone with BFG Tech and NVIDIA has been doing some strange things lately. As of this morning, the GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB (unsure on the 320MB) will have its stream processors officially increased to 112, the same as the GT. This should put the GTS back ahead of the GT as per the paper specs. However, the separation in the products is still going to be very small except for those of you wanting to run high resolutions with AA turned on. To do that you are still going to need a $400+ video card..or so. Our new spec GTS is on the way to us now and we will of course be updating you. Given the GT's faster clocks and possibly larger texture unit, we will have to wait and see. Undoubtedly though, the 8800 GT remains a stellar value at the expected price points.
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No one noticed the new 8800 GTS?
