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Old 11-25-2012, 10:04 PM   #26
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It doesn't require one be lose with their definition of legitimate. Unless I missed something it's considered fair-use for a person to "rip" their own discs for personal use. The DMCA attempts to curtail that, but AFAIK the MPAA and such haven't pushed that in court because they know fair-use would win out and they don't want that brought into the spotlight.

https://w2.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.php
Baring the fact that the Library of Congress can only issue exemptions for use (it can still be illegal to own and import a DRM circumvention device), only DVDs are on the exemption list. Blu-Ray discs are not. Hence AnyDVD HD would still be in violation of the DMCA.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:33 PM   #27
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Hi,

Before you buy anything, try DVDFab Passkey lite. It is completely free, and legal to use. I have it installed on my Win8, and I have tried it with a number of BluRay. It works with every one I own. I am sure there must be BR out there it can't play, but I have yet to find one. I use J.River Media Center to play them, but that software does require a solution such as DVDFab passkey (or AnyDVD) to play them.

I was pretty surprised that the lite version of DVDFab worked with all of my BR, else why would people be inclined to buy the full (and very expensive) version?

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Old 11-25-2012, 10:55 PM   #28
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I thought ripping and playing movies (or music) you purchased was OK so long as it was for your personal use? (no sharing, selling or broadcasting)

Or am I so far out in left field that I am missing the game?
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:23 AM   #29
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Newegg finally posted the $19.99 for powerdvd 12 ultra.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832117020

Not an ideal situation but worth $20 bucks if it will last me a couple of years until people figure out this whole mess or blurays disappear.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:39 AM   #30
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I thought ripping and playing movies (or music) you purchased was OK so long as it was for your personal use? (no sharing, selling or broadcasting)

Or am I so far out in left field that I am missing the game?
Not it is not illegal to make copies of your own content and use it across your own devices. The companies want you to pay per use across each device but that will never work.

As long as you are not doing a peer to peer share FTP site or making a profit off the copies you are fine.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:08 PM   #31
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Hi,

Before you buy anything, try DVDFab Passkey lite. It is completely free, and legal to use. I have it installed on my Win8, and I have tried it with a number of BluRay. It works with every one I own. I am sure there must be BR out there it can't play, but I have yet to find one. I use J.River Media Center to play them, but that software does require a solution such as DVDFab passkey (or AnyDVD) to play them.

I was pretty surprised that the lite version of DVDFab worked with all of my BR, else why would people be inclined to buy the full (and very expensive) version?

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Thanks - I saw that this removes the region code and decided to try it out on my Vista laptop (DVD drive only) and it works great. I had been using VLC to play foreign region DVDs but it doesn't do a very good job of deinterlacing. So now I can play any region disc in PowerDVD
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:34 PM   #32
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Baring the fact that the Library of Congress can only issue exemptions for use (it can still be illegal to own and import a DRM circumvention device), only DVDs are on the exemption list. Blu-Ray discs are not. Hence AnyDVD HD would still be in violation of the DMCA.
I'm just surprised that no one has pushed to get BDs on the exception list since they're effectively the same thing as a DVD to the consumer.
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:14 PM   #33
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I'm just surprised that no one has pushed to get BDs on the exception list since they're effectively the same thing as a DVD to the consumer.
Agreed. But since anything that comes on BD also comes on DVD, there's little incentive to make any changes.
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:38 PM   #34
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Agreed. But since anything that comes on BD also comes on DVD, there's little incentive to make any changes.
One would think that the videophiles that those who constantly expound upon how much better BD video is than DVD video would want fair-use to apply to them as well. I guess they're either a very small portion of the population or are just complacent with the situation. But I still believe that fair-use applies and if it came down to it BD would get an exemption as well.

And hopefully one day people will wise up and force us to get rid of these pointless, draconian restrictions.
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I see Blu-ray being phased out for that happen. Straight HD streaming and other forms digital media are going to take its place.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:02 PM   #36
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Its actually easier to buy a component BD player these days and incorporate that into your man-cave then it is to make a BD drive work smoothly on an HTPC.

I added a BD drive to my Xmas list this year, but after reading of the hassles of BD playback on my HTPC, my wife asked why I was even bothering in the first place.

Good question, I thought. I'd like to have an alternative to my BD component player, but it will cost me easily $100 to make it all work.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:18 PM   #37
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I see Blu-ray being phased out for that happen. Straight HD streaming and other forms digital media are going to take its place.
Which will remove your need to spend money on software but will give you less overall rights as you'll be relegated to Google Play, Amazon, Xbox, iTunes, etc for your movies and TV shows.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:16 AM   #38
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My choices are:
–> Free:
Gom Player 2.1.43.5119
KMPlayer 3.3.0.33
MPC-Home Cinema 1.6.2.4902 x86
PotPlayer 1.5.33948 x86
SMPlayer 0.8.0.4316
VLC media player 2.0.3

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We have so broad choice to play blu-ray on windows 8
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:58 AM   #39
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One would think that the videophiles that those who constantly expound upon how much better BD video is than DVD video would want fair-use to apply to them as well. I guess they're either a very small portion of the population or are just complacent with the situation. But I still believe that fair-use applies and if it came down to it BD would get an exemption as well.

And hopefully one day people will wise up and force us to get rid of these pointless, draconian restrictions.
who cuts bigger checks to congressmen, videophiles or the Blu-ray Disc Association?

that's the only info you need to understand why BluRay will ALWAYS be a Locked down nightmarish POS
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:57 PM   #40
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who cuts bigger checks to congressmen, videophiles or the Blu-ray Disc Association?

that's the only info you need to understand why BluRay will ALWAYS be a Locked down nightmarish POS
I'm sure the same was said about DVDs when they were first released too.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:12 PM   #41
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I'm sure the same was said about DVDs when they were first released too.
Didn't the guy who first cracked DVD encryption get thrown in jail. I think he was a high school math teacher and he did it over the weekend, IIRC.
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:24 PM   #42
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My choices are:
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Gom Player 2.1.43.5119
KMPlayer 3.3.0.33
MPC-Home Cinema 1.6.2.4902 x86
PotPlayer 1.5.33948 x86
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We have so broad choice to play blu-ray on windows 8
Total Media Theater is imo the best BRD player for Windows. It has the best integration with Windows Media Center, and works best with the Microsoft Media Center remote.
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Didn't the guy who first cracked DVD encryption get thrown in jail. I think he was a high school math teacher and he did it over the weekend, IIRC.
i recall DeCSS was first / stolen keys from xing player (or something like that). he was a student and there was some rucuss online as the entire code to decrypt a dvd was just a few lines and the Gov wanted it banned from being posted online

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dvdjon? damn this rings a bell
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:58 AM   #44
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Its actually easier to buy a component BD player these days and incorporate that into your man-cave then it is to make a BD drive work smoothly on an HTPC.

I added a BD drive to my Xmas list this year, but after reading of the hassles of BD playback on my HTPC, my wife asked why I was even bothering in the first place.

Good question, I thought. I'd like to have an alternative to my BD component player, but it will cost me easily $100 to make it all work.
I bought a BR drive for my HTPC build blissfully thinking it would be PNP like any other CD/DVD drive... after reading this and other threads I'm beginning to debate whether I'm going to roll my DVD collection over into BR... I only have about 10 at this point, it's not too late. We already have the stand-alone BR player running, I'm not that impressed with BR as a platform in any event, and the disks are very susceptable to damage (I've already had to replace my Star Trek disk... )

I did pay the loot for AnyDVD/HD and glad I pulled the trigger... it's making ripping my DVD collection to disk effortless (with Handbrake doing the encoding.) I had some odd region disks that needed to be broken and it worked like a charm. It's expensive, I think I paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $140 for AnyDVD, but, as I said, the utility I get out of it makes it worth it.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:22 AM   #45
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Ok there has got to be some solution for a free windows 8 blu ray player. I tried to do the VLC solution but it crashes as soon as I try playing an encrypted disk.
Did you setup VLC the right way? I've been blu-raying for as long as I can remember.
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Did you setup VLC the right way? I've been blu-raying for as long as I can remember.
What exactly is the right way for VLC? For me it won't play blurays at all.
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