The pettiness of office managers never ceases to amaze me

[ShawnD1]

Originally Posted by Corporate Thug

reminder of the dress code is not an adverse employment action.

If you want to hear about petty, my former cheap ass office manager asked for an explanation every time someone asked for a highlighter...

I need the highlighter for my job interview

[Brovane]

Originally Posted by vi edit

Here's the shoe in question...I was wearing a light pair of kahkis and a polo with them.
http://www.foroatletismo.com/imagene...T0A1N_0123.jpg

As for what I do...I sit at a desk all day and work tickets and do application build. No face to face contact with customers.

I don't have a problem with a manager reporting something to another manager. Especially when it's a glaring procedural or legal issue. But a) to even notice I'm wearing a tennis shoe and b) be so offended by it that you report it another manager? Really? Come on.

So are woman allowed to wear sandals? At my work acceptable attire foot attire is also sandals as long as they have a back. I know this part is for woman but I have always thought about getting a nice pair of Birkenstocks with a back and start wearing them and see if anyone says anything. One of my friends at his work, every friday he would wear a kilt to work. They went on for several months until HR changed the dress code to specifically say no kilts.

[freegeeks]

I can understand that you need some kind of dress code for professionals in a customer facing role. I don't understand the whole dress code for someone like the OP who is sitting behind a desk and never faces a customer. The fact that something like jeans and t-shirts are forbidden in some companies for non-customer facing jobs is totally ridiculous.

[Number1]

It is your supervisor's job to supervise YOU. How would you like it if every supervisors in your company would start correcting you on everything?



When you grow up and get to be a manager you'll get some training on how to supervise people and you'll handle things the same way they are doing it now.

Then, some poor bastard will complain about you in here.


How the toe coming?

[CPA]

Originally Posted by vi edit

I just find the emotional aspect of clothing in general rather bizarre.

I frequently wear some very nice, fitted dress shirts along with dress slacks. Nobody says anything. Slap a tie on that outfit and I suddenly get half a dozen comments about "oh you look nice today"..."what job are you interviewing for?"..ect.

Same outfit, only difference is a tie. Does it *really* change things much? That one accessory?

Just very strange how we are programmed.

It is, but at the same time, I don't want to be looking at someone's ugly-ass feet or hairy legs at work. Oh, and don't forget the fat chick with the tattoo just above her breast. Do you want to look at that every time you speak with her? If we took Brian's approach, that's what it'd be like.

[CPA]

Originally Posted by brianmanahan

i would be more inclined to buy from someone in a tshirt and jeans, because they're not an bozo who thinks suits or business casual matter for crap in anything that anyone does

lol, okay. Good luck with that.

[freegeeks]

Originally Posted by CPA

It is, but at the same time, I don't want to be looking at someone's ugly-ass feet or hairy legs at work. Oh, and don't forget the fat chick with the tattoo just above her breast. Do you want to look at that every time you speak with her? If we took Brian's approach, that's what it'd be like.

I can not comment how people dress in the US in a working environment but I work in a Belgian company with 2000 employees with no dress code. 99,9% of people just dress "normal". The theory that a large portion of the workforce would show up in totally outrageous clothing is simply something that you are making up. Individual cases that over the top can always be addressed in a propper individual manner. Just look at this way, 50% of the guys I see wearing a suit look ridiculous because they wear a cheap suit that does not fit at all. Good fit is the most important aspect of a suit, you just looking pathetic as a guy in a suit that does not fit well. What looks more professional, some dude sitting behind a desk wearing a nice jeans and t-shirt, or some sales guy with the cheap non-fitting suit?

[_Rick_]

Originally Posted by CPA

It is, but at the same time, I don't want to be looking at someone's ugly-ass feet or hairy legs at work. Oh, and don't forget the fat chick with the tattoo just above her breast. Do you want to look at that every time you speak with her? If we took Brian's approach, that's what it'd be like.

Oh my, that'd be totally unbearable!

In fact, people should wear masks too, so I don't have to see their faces, they might be ugly after all! Or have facial hair!


...you're supposed to work with them, not gaze at them longingly every day of your life. If you can't work with people, because they're all ugly, well then maybe you should apply for a job, where you don't have to work with people.

How about being a trucker? They don't have to deal with physical people much.

[sourceninja]

We had sexual harassment training last week. From what I can tell, speaking to a person in the office in any way is sexual harassment if it makes that person uncomfortable.

So the next time a manager makes a comment on how you are dressed, tell him that makes you uncomfortable and to not speak of it again.

[ShawnD1]

Originally Posted by CPA

It is, but at the same time, I don't want to be looking at someone's ugly-ass feet or hairy legs at work. Oh, and don't forget the fat chick with the tattoo just above her breast. Do you want to look at that every time you speak with her? If we took Brian's approach, that's what it'd be like.

Have you tried not staring at her breasts? I think that's called sexual harassment or something.

[Elbryn]

Originally Posted by freegeeks

I can not comment how people dress in the US in a working environment but I work in a Belgian company with 2000 employees with no dress code. 99,9% of people just dress "normal". The theory that a large portion of the workforce would show up in totally outrageous clothing is simply something that you are making up. Individual cases that over the top can always be addressed in a propper individual manner. Just look at this way, 50% of the guys I see wearing a suit look ridiculous because they wear a cheap suit that does not fit at all. Good fit is the most important aspect of a suit, you just looking pathetic as a guy in a suit that does not fit well. What looks more professional, some dude sitting behind a desk wearing a nice jeans and t-shirt, or some sales guy with the cheap non-fitting suit?

The problem is that without a policy to point to what do you do when the one or two exceptions that clearly need to be dealt with on an individual basis, refuse to change. they state there is no dress code, therefore i can dress however i want. that means a man thong and cowboy boots mondays and angel wing tighty whitey wednesdays. say they axe the folks who refuse to dress rationally, a few wrongful termination suits later, you get a company wide policy on dress codes.

similar thing happened here for sick time. we get a good number of sick hours to use. on the whole, most people used their time as you would expect of sick time. a few bad apples abused the sick time and consistently called in sick on mondays/fridays. consistently enough over a long enough period of time where it was blatantly obvious. now we get 6 month rolling window of 3 or more "occurrences" requires a doctors note. more than 3 days sick in a row, requires doctor's note.

[JM Aggie08]

Work for a better company.

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[darkewaffle]

Originally Posted by freegeeks

I can understand that you need some kind of dress code for professionals in a customer facing role. I don't understand the whole dress code for someone like the OP who is sitting behind a desk and never faces a customer. The fact that something like jeans and t-shirts are forbidden in some companies for non-customer facing jobs is totally ridiculous.

I never see a customer but still am required to wear a shirt/tie/belt/dress shoes/pants daily. Our employee manual says non-customer interaction positions (my dept and 2-3 others) are held to a second, less strict dress code but I don't think anybody has ever bothered to look except me lol.

It's pointless but everything else is pretty decent so I don't really mind.

[TallBill]

I worked for a company that owns about 60 bars. The top people that run it seemingly know nothing about running a bar.

[Glitchny]

Originally Posted by freegeeks

I can not comment how people dress in the US in a working environment but I work in a Belgian company with 2000 employees with no dress code. 99,9% of people just dress "normal". The theory that a large portion of the workforce would show up in totally outrageous clothing is simply something that you are making up. Individual cases that over the top can always be addressed in a propper individual manner. Just look at this way, 50% of the guys I see wearing a suit look ridiculous because they wear a cheap suit that does not fit at all. Good fit is the most important aspect of a suit, you just looking pathetic as a guy in a suit that does not fit well. What looks more professional, some dude sitting behind a desk wearing a nice jeans and t-shirt, or some sales guy with the cheap non-fitting suit?

Yea same where I work, no dress code in my department and I've never once heard of someone being told to change.

[Kroze]

I would try to get a doctor's note.

[TallBill]

Originally Posted by Kroze

I would try to get a doctor's note.

Lol who goes to the doctor for minor injuries? Telling your boss is good enough. If they question your integrity or still raise a ruckus, maybe it isn't worth working there.

[TangoJuliet]

If you had a union this wouldn't even be a question.

Since you don't and this is ATOT where unions are frowned upon....go find a new job

[ZaneNBK]

I'm so glad I work from home. My dress code is basically "Have clothes on in case mother-in-law comes over or Fedex shows up."

My first major IT job was shirt and tie, that lasted for 3-4 years or so. I hated basically every part of what I had to wear, especially dress shoes and ties.