So is there a way for an illegal immigrant to get citizenship and stay in the country

[jagec]

Originally Posted by rudeguy

I don't think I have ever heard the government was trying to slow down legal immigration because of illegal immigration.

It's not a direct effect. Voters get angry at illegal immigration, they vote for people who are tough on immigration, those people don't increase the number of visas for legal immigrants because that confuses voters and spawns attack ads about letting more people in to "take American jobs".

Streamlining the process and issuing more unskilled worker visas per year would disincentivize coming in illegally, especially when coupled with tighter borders. You have to approach the problem from both ends.

[shortylickens]

Originally Posted by jagec

It's not a direct effect. Voters get angry at illegal immigration, they vote for people who are tough on immigration, those people don't increase the number of visas for legal immigrants because that confuses voters and spawns attack ads about letting more people in to "take American jobs".

Streamlining the process and issuing more unskilled worker visas per year would disincentivize coming in illegally, especially when coupled with tighter borders. You have to approach the problem from both ends.

I agree but the current administration has made is quite clear they dont wanna approach the problem from either end.
Obama flat out stated he wasnt gonna get rid of any of them. And then he stomped down when Arizona tried doing something.

[jagec]

Originally Posted by shortylickens

I agree but the current administration has made is quite clear they dont wanna approach the problem from either end.
Obama flat out stated he wasnt gonna get rid of any of them. And then he stomped down when Arizona tried doing something.

Unsurprisingly, you're wrong as rain:

[shortylickens]

Originally Posted by jagec

Unsurprisingly, you're wrong as rain:

Obama flat out stated he wasnt going to do anything. And if 10 million come in I dont really give a shit if they toss 100 or even a hundred thousand.
Thats just to look good for people like you who never question anything or think for themselves.

[jagec]

Originally Posted by shortylickens

Obama flat out stated he wasnt going to do anything. And if 10 million come in I dont really give a shit if they toss 100 or even a hundred thousand.
Thats just to look good for people like you who never question anything or think for themselves.

When you say that you "think for yourself" you mean that you ignore the facts and make up your own reality?

Check the stats, we have fewer illegals entering the country than during the Bush years as well as more deportations. And we've never had anywhere even CLOSE to 10 million come in per year, that's just absurd.

I know that you are oddly fixated on illegal immigrants, but you really need to take your meds and come back to reality.

[TheSiege]

It just seems like there should be a way to get citizenship if you are already here. I know we shouldn't reward someone breaking the law. But we make deals with CIs and people who turn state witness, so why not for illegals? Doesn't the end justify the means? Lets get them into the system and forgive them for entering illegally as long as they are willing to pay taxes and be part of the system.

[rudeguy]

Originally Posted by TheSiege

It just seems like there should be a way to get citizenship if you are already here. I know we shouldn't reward someone breaking the law. But we make deals with CIs and people who turn state witness, so why not for illegals? Doesn't the end justify the means? Lets get them into the system and forgive them for entering illegally as long as they are willing to pay taxes and be part of the system.

Because they are the ones committing the crime!

WTF

[TheSiege]

CIs and people who are granted immunity commit crimes as well

[rudeguy]

Originally Posted by TheSiege

CIs and people who are granted immunity commit crimes as well

Its the same thing as if I murdered someone on my own and tried to get the cops to let me go free if I confess.

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally Posted by TheSiege

It just seems like there should be a way to get citizenship if you are already here. I know we shouldn't reward someone breaking the law. But we make deals with CIs and people who turn state witness, so why not for illegals? Doesn't the end justify the means? Lets get them into the system and forgive them for entering illegally as long as they are willing to pay taxes and be part of the system.

The "end" is subversion of labor tariffs and the stranglehold that the middle class has on the rest of America. Let in millions of motivated and hard-working illegal immigrants and the legal citizens will get all uppity and complain that you're stealing their American birthright to a high-paying and low-work job.

[Svnla]

Originally Posted by TheSiege

It just seems like there should be a way to get citizenship if you are already here. I know we shouldn't reward someone breaking the law. But we make deals with CIs and people who turn state witness, so why not for illegals? Doesn't the end justify the means? Lets get them into the system and forgive them for entering illegally as long as they are willing to pay taxes and be part of the system.

And while there are ten of million of LEGALS with skills, money, English skill, entrepreneurship to build the next Google/Intel/Yahoo/Paypal to help the US but have to wait for years to get in the LEGAL way. Not very smart way to go.

Do we need more unskilled peasants with no English skill to compete with US citizens for low paying jobs? I rest my case.

BTW, we did try the "forgive and forget and let them stay" in the mid 80's. Did the number of ILLEGALS up or down? You do the math.

[TheSiege]

Originally Posted by rudeguy

Its the same thing as if I murdered someone on my own and tried to get the cops to let me go free if I confess.

No, but you can work out a plea agreement if you plead guilty and you will ultimately get a lighter sentence.

Maybe the illegals lighter sentence is not being deported, but they still have to do all the proper paperwork and pay a little bit higher fee.

[TJCS]

here you go:

U.S. citizenship for sale: $500,000

This is capitalism at its finest and a total mind fuck for those patriotic supremacists in the US and A

[kache]

Originally Posted by TJCS

here you go:

U.S. citizenship for sale: $500,000

This is capitalism at its finest and a total mind fuck for those patriotic supremacists in the US and A

Still have to wait 5 years, though.
Would be nice if rich people could actually buy the citizenship for a certain amount of money, though, since it would allow them to set residence in US and start companies.
Plus, ofc, tax money too the country.

[Gerle]

Originally Posted by rudeguy

different levels of citizenship.

Like Senator/Governor etc, then everyone else, or what? Citizen First Degree sound cool.

[BoomerD]

Illegal immigrants should ALL be deported before discussion can begin about gaining legal immigration status/citizenship.

Doesn't matter from what country they came, doesn't matter if they're married to a citizen, doesn't matter if they swam across the Rio Grande, or just overstayed a visa.

[peonyu]

Originally Posted by BoomerD

Illegal immigrants should ALL be deported before discussion can begin about gaining legal immigration status/citizenship.

Doesn't matter from what country they came, doesn't matter if they're married to a citizen, doesn't matter if they swam across the Rio Grande, or just overstayed a visa.

They will receive amnesty then we will start over [again] with fake talk about securing the border. Give it another twenty years from now and the SW will be entirely Mexican and the NE states will have huge mexican populations there...And a Mexican-American will run as the DNC candidate for President, receive almost the entire hispanic vote and elect the US to be annexed by Mexico once he wins.

Thats all pretty much correct [being annexed by Mexico is a stretch though], demographic destiny at this point in time points to "Si senor" becoming the majority American before the close of the century.

[God Mode]

Originally Posted by peonyu

They will receive amnesty then we will start over [again] with fake talk about securing the border. Give it another twenty years from now and the SW will be entirely Mexican and the NE states will have huge mexican populations there...And a Mexican-American will run as the DNC candidate for President, receive almost the entire hispanic vote and elect the US to be annexed by Mexico once he wins.

Thats all pretty much correct [being annexed by Mexico is a stretch though], demographic destiny at this point in time points to "Si senor" becoming the majority American before the close of the century.

This just reaffirms for me that most US laws are only for honest people and can barely be enforced. Its a boogeyman for moral people.

Criminals know this and how to play the system to their full advantage. No wonder the country is messed up. You set a policy of punishing good people for minor things while career scumbags get away with murder and no one knows.

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

All you need is money and time. You can get legal citizenship if you pay a lot of money and have a lot of time. Marrying a US citizen doesn't hurt. You'll also need a lawyer. You don't need to leave the country and come back.

[Gintaras]

Originally Posted by bigrash

Yes, there are many ways an illegal person can get a citizenship.

Who did issue green cards, let's say, to Christopher Columbus or George Washington?

[shortylickens]

Originally Posted by Gintaras

Who did issue green cards, let's say, to Christopher Columbus or George Washington?

No one.

Because they MADE America into a country. It wasnt a country before they took action.

See also: Amerigo Vaspucci.

[alkemyst]

Here in S. Florida they not only granted this a few times, they gave them places to live as well.

[ADDAvenger]

Originally Posted by peonyu

They will receive amnesty then we will start over [again] with fake talk about securing the border. Give it another twenty years from now and the SW will be entirely Mexican and the NE states will have huge mexican populations there...And a Mexican-American will run as the DNC candidate for President, receive almost the entire hispanic vote and elect the US to be annexed by Mexico once he wins.

Thats all pretty much correct [being annexed by Mexico is a stretch though], demographic destiny at this point in time points to "Si senor" becoming the majority American before the close of the century.

You sound EXACTLY like a crazy great aunt I have, except for her it is Muslims. She was literally handing out US flags before the election, saying "fly these while you can because if Obama gets reelected you won't be able to anymore," and "America is doomed because the Arabs are breeding so quickly that in 20 years they will outnumber Americans and turn America into another Iran or Iraq."

[grrl]

Originally Posted by TJCS

here you go:

U.S. citizenship for sale: $500,000

This is capitalism at its finest and a total mind fuck for those patriotic supremacists in the US and A

Such a program's not unique to the US.