Gerard Depardieu becomes a Russian citizen.

[ShintaiDK]

Originally Posted by soulcougher73

You guys need to get your talking points sorted out. First you say you cant tax the rich enough to support the welfare state and now without them who is going to pay for the welfare state?

Middleclass always been the one paying.

[Olikan]

Originally Posted by Broheim

why? paying your cost to society would not be the punishment but simply how the system would be funded, you'd still have to go to jail or whatever. If you cannot afford to pay the cost of your crime then that would mean hard labour, if you are dead and have no assets then it would be organ harvesting time/reclaiming whatever you have to cover the cost... rich or poor would not matter.

the problem is those "rights"...
for example: is a good job a right?

because those unployed people will one day be hungry, and commit crimes to survive, and they will get caught...once free from "justice" he is still in the same shit he was before..so will be his kids, in a loop hole

and then, when crime don't happen that often, we have the "the rich" problem... without a strong state, the rich will end up "buying" those rights and try to profit over it

[Gonad the Barbarian]

http://www.star-magazine.co.uk/break...s-up-in-smoke/

GERARD DEPARDIEU's move to Russia has been dealt a massive blow after the complex which houses his new apartment burned down on Wednesday (03Apr13)

Note to Gerard, taxes pay for things like firefighters.

[Munky]

Anyone with more than two brain cells would have told you that people don't like having their money confiscated by the socialist regime. Now watch the French not so clever tax plan fail after more rich people leave the country.

[monovillage]

Originally Posted by Munky

Anyone with more than two brain cells would have told you that people don't like having their money confiscated by the socialist regime. Now watch the French not so clever tax plan fail after more rich people leave the country.

Only someone like Gonad would celebrate the burning of someone house and chastise them for leaving a country with a total tax rate of about 90% for his income level.

[Genx87]

Originally Posted by Gonad the Barbarian

http://www.star-magazine.co.uk/break...s-up-in-smoke/

Note to Gerard, taxes pay for things like firefighters.

Are you saying in Russia they dont have firefighters?

[Fern]

Originally Posted by Blackjack200

-snip-
Living in France >>>>>>>>>> living in Russia. What's he going to do when he realizes that there aren't croissant bakeries on every corner? What's he going to do when he realizes that there's no such think as the Russian Riviera? How's that first -50 degree winter going to be?

The Russian Riviera is on the Black Sea. It's warm and has beaches, looks to be a charming place actually.

But the point, made by the poster below, is that he doesn't actually need to live in Russia.

Originally Posted by ShintaiDK

No he cant. He needs to live the majority of the time in Russia. If he for example lives the majority of his time in Denmark, Belgium, France or whatever. He will be taxed arcodring to local tax laws.

Its all about location, location and location.

You are partially correct. But, no, he doesn't need to live the majority of time in Russia.

I'm a tax CPA and worked many years in international taxation. I did residence/tax planning for wealthy clients.

What he must do is NOT spend the majority of his time in any one country that is not Russia. I.e., if he spends more than 1/2 half the year in some other country they will claim he is a resident and subject to tax.

So, he can live in France for a few months, in Belgium for a few, hang down in the Caribbean for some, stay in the USA for a while, be at his villa in the Swiss Alps or sail around on his yacht etc. He will effectively have NO residence anywhere but can claim Russia by virtue of his citizenship.

Many of the very wealthy like him are hardly in any country for more than 6 months anyway if they don't have young children attending school (and those that do can park them in a foreign boarding school anyway).

Fern

[Darwin333]

Originally Posted by Blackjack200

I don't really know all that much about the Supertax, perhaps it was unfair. But I think this guy is going to be in for a rude awakining.

Living in France >>>>>>>>>> living in Russia. What's he going to do when he realizes that there aren't croissant bakeries on every corner? What's he going to do when he realizes that there's no such think as the Russian Riviera? How's that first -50 degree winter going to be?

And then we get to the massive corruption at both state and municpal levels, the mafia, state surveillance, etc. etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, there is something undeniably intriguing about Russian culture, the gutsy, gritty people, the pretty girls... but I would never ever live there.

His citizenship has very little to do with where he actually spends his time.

[zinfamous]

kept meaning to link this effing amazing Depardieu photo in one of these threads



From here, a few months ago. good article

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_collins

[Fern]

Originally Posted by zinfamous

kept meaning to link this effing amazing Depardieu photo in one of these threads



From here, a few months ago. good article

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_collins

He looks like he'll blend right-in in Russia.

Fern

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by Genx87

Who will pay for the welfare state if not the rich? You planning to tax the middle class to spread the wealth?

...and how exactly did the rich get their money? Could it be by not paying workers what they deserve, which results in the needs of a welfare state? Could part of it be generations of inheritance based in part on ancient land and capital acquisitions that were accomplished by robbing and/or enslaving the peasantry? (Question the free market dogma and ask the tough questions.)

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by Broheim

my utopian society would a be place where the government's only function is to protect the rights of the people and is funded solely by those who infringe on other people's rights as part of their punishment, they would pay an amount equal to the cost of protecting society against their crime, ensuring that government's size would be exactly proportionate to the necessity of it's existance.

why is that such a bad vision?

It sounds cute, but where will the money come from to build the roads (which are essential and vital for the economy)? What about other types of infrastructure? If everything is provided by the free market, is it possible that the inefficiency, costs, and chaos of an unregulated market might be greater than the taxes needed to sustain a mixed economy? Who is going to police against externalities?

[HamburgerBoy]

I have a relative that made nine figures in Russia and now lives here again. I laugh at anyone that thinks America offers something special that other places cannot. Good for Gerard.

[zinfamous]

Originally Posted by Fern

He looks like he'll blend right-in in Russia.

Fern

I know, right!

He's actually going to be living in Belgium, anyway. He only has a Russian passport b/c Putin gave him one.

[Dari]

Originally Posted by Gonad the Barbarian

http://www.star-magazine.co.uk/break...s-up-in-smoke/

Note to Gerard, taxes pay for things like firefighters.

Was he seriously considering living in Chechnya? Really? Why, as a big FUCK YOU to all the poor, war-torn citizens around him? Doubtful.

[zinfamous]

Originally Posted by Dari

Was he seriously considering living in Chechnya? Really? Why, as a big FUCK YOU to all the poor, war-torn citizens around him? Doubtful.

No, he's living in Belgium. I thought people who gave a dick about this story realized that?

[werepossum]

Originally Posted by zinfamous

kept meaning to link this effing amazing Depardieu photo in one of these threads



From here, a few months ago. good article

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_collins

Wait a minute - Dangerous Hicks is actually Gerard Depardieu?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg3qKEiuLOM