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11-08-2012, 07:50 AM
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Diamond Member
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Originally Posted by shortylickens
Its not just religion, its the most hateful element of religion. The one that screams constantly for a return to fundamentalism.
There are currently no successful countries in the entire world with that mindset. We would be sharing company with places like the middle-east (the bad part) and some gimpy african nations if we did that.
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What "hateful" elements of religion is the right trying to legislate. No same-sex marriage (actually the left is the one that wants to legislate here) and making abortion illegal.
Funny how when both of these were illegal things were much more equitable in the United States. In fact if you look at when individual income growth stopped trending up with GDP it would seem to be much more connected to the legalization of abortion and no-fault divorce than with Reagan.
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11-08-2012, 09:10 AM
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#227
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Originally Posted by nehalem256
What "hateful" elements of religion is the right trying to legislate. No same-sex marriage (actually the left is the one that wants to legislate here) and making abortion illegal.
Funny how when both of these were illegal things were much more equitable in the United States. In fact if you look at when individual income growth stopped trending up with GDP it would seem to be much more connected to the legalization of abortion and no-fault divorce than with Reagan.
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I think that, if you truly believe this crap, no amount of common sense, logic and empirical evidence I'd going to sway you and you aren't worth the effort to even try.
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11-08-2012, 09:16 AM
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#228
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Join Date: Nov 2010
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Originally Posted by [B
Incorruptible;[/B]34212471]romney lost because he is the same as obama, both serve special interests. Too many idiots voted for obama and deserve to suffer the consequences of the economy, I would have no problem with welfare leeches having it taken away since there is no money.
The main reason he lost was because there was no fiscal Conservatism and the religious nutbars who scared away voters
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Originally Posted by sigurros81
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I'm still waiting for your reply.
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11-08-2012, 09:31 AM
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#229
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11-08-2012, 09:47 AM
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#230
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Originally Posted by RightIsWrong
I think that, if you truly believe this crap, no amount of common sense, logic and empirical evidence I'd going to sway you and you aren't worth the effort to even try.
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I would say that making same-sex marriage legal/illegal is irrelevant to the success of a country.
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11-08-2012, 10:15 AM
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#231
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Golden Member
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 1,042
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Originally Posted by nehalem256
Women are allowed to vote selfishly. Calling them on their selfishness is not a "war on women" though.
The reason it should impact their rights. Is that their interests are based on them not be able to, or not wanting to, take responsibility for themselves.
If someone is unable to, or unwilling to, take care of themselves why should they be given freedom?
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"War on women" can be overused (but does apply to a fringe group of the R party) - but hyperbole is an everyday thing now (e.g. Obama is a socialist, etc). When a party attacks one of their interests (and has a fringe group that wants to be even more aggressive), it's an effective plan to call it a war to communicate their message to their constituents.
When a governor moves to limits union power, the union calls it a 'war on unions'.
However again where we will have to disagree is whether it should impact their rights. Unless you feel EVERY GROUP THAT ACCEPTS subsidies (which would pretty much be everyone) should be considered inferior and have their rights reduced, we will be on opposing ends of this view.
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The problem is you seem to be pretending men do not have their own unique needs as well. For example last time I check women do not have testicles or a prostate. Men by virtue of being bigger to protect women from sabertooth tigers also require more food, but you do not see any special programs to help me with their increased food needs.
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Come on, comparing male reproductive complexity and needs to women is bordering on ignorant. Outside of cancer, our stuff is basically self service. If men want to band together to vote in leaders who will subsidize food for men b/c of their greater nutritional requirements, then go ahead. Just b/c there's no general interest for that idea doesn't make women's special interest any less valid (again like ANY other special interest out there).
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11-08-2012, 10:20 AM
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#232
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Saw an interesting analogy why Romney lost.
Romney and Republicans are "Mad Men" and "Father Knows Best"
Obama and the Democrats are "Modern Family"
Guess where the majority of the public falls
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11-08-2012, 10:35 AM
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#233
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Diamond Member
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Originally Posted by dawheat
Come on, comparing male reproductive complexity and needs to women is bordering on ignorant. Outside of cancer, our stuff is basically self service. If men want to band together to vote in leaders who will subsidize food for men b/c of their greater nutritional requirements, then go ahead. Just b/c there's no general interest for that idea doesn't make women's special interest any less valid (again like ANY other special interest out there).
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Women wanted to be independent from men. And now they are throwing a fit because they found out that being independent from men might mean they actually *gasp* have to be independent from men.
Society had evolved a mechanism, marriage, to ensure women had men to take care of them. Now they are trying to get the benefits of marriage without the obligations.
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11-08-2012, 09:45 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Waldorf, MD
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This is why he lost; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&hd=1
No character or principles
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11-08-2012, 09:50 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Sep 2000
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Actually Romney lost because of, wait for it, Bush and the right wing wacko's that took over the Republican party. They fundamentally altered the mindset of young people, minorities, secular humanists and the complacent portions of America who were fine with government as long as it wasn't too radical.
Basically they scared the piss out of people and now the anti-Republicans have been turned into a powerful voting block that seems to have accepted the fact they can't go back to sitting out elections.
Motivation, motivation, motivation. The Dems have it and they got it from the radical Republicans.
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11-08-2012, 10:28 PM
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#236
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Member
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 91
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Originally Posted by techs
Actually Romney lost because of, wait for it, Bush and the right wing wacko's that took over the Republican party. They fundamentally altered the mindset of young people, minorities, secular humanists and the complacent portions of America who were fine with government as long as it wasn't too radical.
Basically they scared the piss out of people and now the anti-Republicans have been turned into a powerful voting block that seems to have accepted the fact they can't go back to sitting out elections.
Motivation, motivation, motivation. The Dems have it and they got it from the radical Republicans.
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This
This is exactly why the idea that more obstructionism and political stonewalling won't get the GOP anywhere. The republicans will only lose more seats until they start to work for the people instead of for their party's extremists.
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11-09-2012, 01:59 AM
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#237
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,865
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Last edited by blankslate; 11-09-2012 at 02:05 AM.
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