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Old 04-08-2004, 11:56 AM   #1
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Default Don't get sick, Government taking away your Sudafed in the name of the War on Drugs

4-8-2004 Oklahoma Restricts Cold Pill Used for Illegal Drug

Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry has signed a law that restricts sales of some popular over-the-counter cold medicines because they can be used as a key ingredient in home-cooked, illegal methamphetamine.

The law is the first of its kind in the United States and restricts the sales of cold tablets made primarily with pseudoephedrine, which is a widely used ingredient in decongestants such as Sudafed from Pfizer Inc.

We and others in the industry have been working closely with state and local officials across the country in a mutual battle to address this problem, without unduly restricting access to safe and effective medicines like Sudafed that millions of law-abiding consumers rely on," he said.
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So the Law-abiding consumers have to suffer because of some losers that should just die anyway, natural population control.

We just had two children die in a trailer because the parents were cooking Meth on the stove, this Law will not stop that from happening.
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Old 04-08-2004, 12:00 PM   #2
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oh wait... um, looks like you CAN STILL BUY SUDAFE

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"...People buying the pills have to show identification, sign a log book and are restricted to purchasing nine grams, or 300, 30-mg tablets, a month..."
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Old 04-08-2004, 12:01 PM   #3
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I'm for anything that will hamper the manufacturing of Meth. That is some nasty sh!t.
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Old 04-08-2004, 12:11 PM   #4
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Isn't the first bill of it's kind. In utah you can't buy more than one box of a sudafed containing drug (at costco, I think it's 2 boxes elsewhere). They won't sell it to you.
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Old 04-08-2004, 12:13 PM   #5
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In the city of St. Louis, they have been keeping stock of cold medicines that contain pseudoephedrine behind the counter for a couple of years. Also, stores limit the amount you can buy.

I use Advil Cold and Sinus almost daily due to allergies and sinus headaches. It's a real lifesaver. But I couldn't imagine using 300 pills/month.

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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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I'm for anything that will hamper the manufacturing of Meth. That is some nasty sh!t.
Seriously, i think we can do without sudafed in order to hurt production of meth;

another great way to reduce drug-abuse would be to stop treating hallucinogenics like other drugs: something that causes a horrible disrespect for all drug laws.

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a lower supply means fewer exploding meth-labs and fewer familys and lives destroyed by this.
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Old 04-08-2004, 03:13 PM   #9
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As a sufferer of massive allergies I use Sudafed when Claratin isn't available to me.I don't like the side effects of the drug (shaking,feeling dizzy and odd)but compared to what happens when I can't breath it needs to be readily available to me.
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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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As a sufferer of massive allergies I use Sudafed when Claratin isn't available to me.I don't like the side effects of the drug (shaking,feeling dizzy and odd)but compared to what happens when I can't breath it needs to be readily available to me.
It will always be available, there are simply too many people that need it. They are just restricting how much you can purchase at a time. No person needs more than 300tabs a month, that's 10 per day. If you took that much you would probably poison yourself.
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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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What ever happened to personal responiblity cad?
WTF are you jabbering about? I fully support personal responsibility and these people who purchase these things in quantity to make meth are endangering others - just ask dave. dave keeps talking about 2 kids that died because their parents weren't responsible.

Also - I never said I supported the legislation either - I just fail to see where law abiding people "suffer" like dave says.

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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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What ever happened to personal responiblity cad?
WTF are you jabbering about? I fully support personal responsibility and these people who purchase these things in quantity to make meth are endangering others - just ask dave. dave keeps talking about 2 kids that died because their parents weren't responsible.

Also - I never said I supported the legislation either - I just fail to see where law abiding people "suffer" like dave says.

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Clearly you don't support personal responisbilty or you would be oppossed to the law.
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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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What ever happened to personal responiblity cad?
WTF are you jabbering about? I fully support personal responsibility and these people who purchase these things in quantity to make meth are endangering others - just ask dave. dave keeps talking about 2 kids that died because their parents weren't responsible.

Also - I never said I supported the legislation either - I just fail to see where law abiding people "suffer" like dave says.

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Clearly you don't support personal responisbilty or you would be oppossed to the law.
Get a fresh load of hay for your straw man business today? [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]
Maybe you should spend a little time actually reading my post instead of ASSuming things.

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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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What ever happened to personal responiblity cad?
WTF are you jabbering about? I fully support personal responsibility and these people who purchase these things in quantity to make meth are endangering others - just ask dave. dave keeps talking about 2 kids that died because their parents weren't responsible.

Also - I never said I supported the legislation either - I just fail to see where law abiding people "suffer" like dave says.

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Clearly you don't support personal responisbilty or you would be oppossed to the law.
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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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What ever happened to personal responiblity cad?
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As a sufferer of massive allergies I use Sudafed when Claratin isn't available to me.I don't like the side effects of the drug (shaking,feeling dizzy and odd)but compared to what happens when I can't breath it needs to be readily available to me.
It will always be available, there are simply too many people that need it. They are just restricting how much you can purchase at a time. No person needs more than 300tabs a month, that's 10 per day. If you took that much you would probably poison yourself.
AFAIK, it's the only over-the-counter oral decongestant approved for use.

By the way, I think the normal dosage is 60 mg. every 4-6 hours, so that can be as many as 12 tablets per day, so 10 probably won't poison you. In fact, the prescription forms have 120 mg (although I think those are time-release).

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Clearly you don't support personal responisbilty or you would be oppossed to the law.
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You ought to spend a little more time READING what other people post, instead of trying to label people as either "with you" or "against you".


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Iowa is doing the same thing. Meth is a huge problem. I'm not sure that will solve that but it sure will make it harder for people to make it themselves by buying OTC meds.

I fail to see where law abiding people "suffer". You go ask for Sudafed, you sign a book, and you pay for it. stretching this a bit far dave?

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WTF are you jabbering about? I fully support personal responsibility and these people who purchase these things in quantity to make meth are endangering others - just ask dave. dave keeps talking about 2 kids that died because their parents weren't responsible.

Also - I never said I supported the legislation either - I just fail to see where law abiding people "suffer" like dave says.

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So who is harmed by purchasing more then 300 pills of Sudafed at one time?
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So who is harmed by purchasing more then 300 pills of Sudafed at one time?
Who do you know who purchases 300 pills of Sudafed at one time? Even at 10/day that is a month's worth. Don't mind that's probably more than dosage suggestions

But again - nothing i've said so far is to be construed as support of the legislation. I'm just pointing out the fact that there really isn't anyone who doesn't have criminal intent that will "suffer."

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Well I don't really like the principle of it but I have to concede that meth is a huge problem and if i had to sign something and show some ID I really wouldn't care.
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So who is harmed by purchasing more then 300 pills of Sudafed at one time?
Who do you know who purchases 300 pills of Sudafed at one time? Even at 10/day that is a month's worth. Don't mind that's probably more than dosage suggestions

But again - nothing i've said so far is to be construed as support of the legislation. I'm just pointing out the fact that there really isn't anyone who doesn't have criminal intent that will "suffer."

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Maybe there is a hot deal and they want to go sell the pills on ebay. Or how about if your supply of Sudafed get destoryed or stolen you would be out of luck until next month.
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It's been the same way here ( WA state) for a few years.

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So who is harmed by purchasing more then 300 pills of Sudafed at one time?
Who do you know who purchases 300 pills of Sudafed at one time? Even at 10/day that is a month's worth. Don't mind that's probably more than dosage suggestions

But again - nothing i've said so far is to be construed as support of the legislation. I'm just pointing out the fact that there really isn't anyone who doesn't have criminal intent that will "suffer."

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Maybe there is a hot deal and they want to go sell the pills on ebay. Or how about if your supply of Sudafed get destoryed or stolen you would be out of luck until next month.
who needs a 300 pill supply of Sudafed?

Oh, and FYI to everyone. There are other OTC drugs that can be used instead of cold medicines even though this is what the lawmakers seem to be targeting. So the druggies will have opportunity to buy mass quantities of the other drugs - just not sudafed and other cold medications. -figures-

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