Syria loads chemical weapons into bombs; military awaits Assad's order

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally Posted by Generator

Listen to this man you fucking rubes!

Umm, the Patriot missiles aren't there to attack, they are there to defend Turkey against attacks and chemical weapons would be one of the things that could cause a LOT of damage without the need for any invasion of Turkey.

There is no talk about an intervention yet.

[soulcougher73]

Originally Posted by Matt1970

Hitler wasn't our problem.

Technically that is true as well.

[werepossum]

Originally Posted by RampantAndroid

Aren't the chemical munitions loaded into conventional bombs? NOT missiles? That's the impression I got...

Patriots are much, much more effective at taking down planes than at taking down missiles. Though I can't imagine Syria sending planes to drop gas on Turkey. Israel maybe, to bolster his support amongst the faithful.

If I had to guess, and since I'm on the Internet I do, I'd guess this is principally a move to pressure the free world into accepting a brokered solution by which Asad remains in power by raising the stakes. He could break the backs of the rebels with widespread gas attacks, but surely the rest of the world won't allow him to remain in power (or alive) should he do so.

[Jaskalas]

Assad should gas Israel. Force the whole region / world into the conflict.

He and his family are dead already, backed into a corner with nothing else to lose. Might as well take the Islamic way out and martyr himself. Hell, in the confusion of widespread war he might just escape - or even be offered asylum by Iran.

Saddam, Mubarak, Qaddafi. This guy has to know he's already dead. Go out with a bang.

[gotsmack]

Originally Posted by rdubbz

no. we're great at war (fucking shit up) we marched to baghdad in less than two days and rolled right through afghanistan. we suck at nation building. see post war iraq and afghanistan.

No, we suck at war. All we did in Iraq and Afghanistan was remove a strong man with a kinda functional government and replaced it with a barely functioning government. The people have not been subjugated. They still have the will and desire to fight.

[irishScott]

Originally Posted by Jaskalas

Assad should gas Israel. Force the whole region / world into the conflict.

He and his family are dead already, backed into a corner with nothing else to lose. Might as well take the Islamic way out and martyr himself. Hell, in the confusion of widespread war he might just escape - or even be offered asylum by Iran.

Saddam, Mubarak, Qaddafi. This guy has to know he's already dead. Go out with a bang.

Wouldn't last very long. The Israelis would just nuke Syria back to the stone age along with anyone else who tried to attack them at that point.

[Anarchist420]

Assad is a national socialist, but the U.S. govt will come one step closer to destroying america if it tries to destroy Assad.

[RampantAndroid]

Originally Posted by gotsmack

No, we suck at war. All we did in Iraq and Afghanistan was remove a strong man with a kinda functional government and replaced it with a barely functioning government. The people have not been subjugated. They still have the will and desire to fight.

Uhhh. You just echoed what he said. Our military rolls over stuff like the republican guard. Remember, in both Gulf Wars we just destroyed the republican guard - but there were battles.

[gotsmack]

Originally Posted by RampantAndroid

Uhhh. You just echoed what he said. Our military rolls over stuff like the republican guard. Remember, in both Gulf Wars we just destroyed the republican guard - but there were battles.

We'll if you define winning a war by destroying the government thats fine. I define it as subjugating the people. Like in WW2, the Nazi party was destroyed and the people agreed to peace. Today we have the IQ and AF government destroyed, but the people have not agreed to peace.

[chucky2]

You're right gotsmack, I should have perhaps used a different word than War, since War could mean many different things to different people. I was about to say conquer, but, to conquer a country you'd have to bring its people down to a level where they'll not question what you want done. I'd guess invade would be the proper word. We are awesome at invasion (no negativity associated with that IMO, at least from our Western perspective), not so much the total war aspect. Far far too nice, too diplomatic...

Chuck

[iGas]

Originally Posted by irishScott

Wouldn't last very long. The Israelis would just nuke Syria back to the stone age along with anyone else who tried to attack them at that point.

Perhaps idiotic Zionist extremists would do something that stupid, because it would surely drag Iran, China, Russia, and the West into war.

[chucky2]

Haha. China and Russia? On behalf of who? Russia might be pissed, but as long as none of their people were harmed, they'd simply pull out and go home. China? You must be smoking da crack.

No one (that matters in the world) cares about these ME countries dude. They are a source for oil and to sell expensive Defense toys to. That's it. You could nuke the entire ME, save for Israel and perhaps Turkey (heck, throw Turkey in too for what it'd matter), and as long as the oil prices somehow didn't get all out of whack and the radiation didn't somehow leach/blow out of the ME, 99% of the people would forget about it in 3 months and go back to watching Honey Boo Boo or drinking Tea or skiing or whatever they do in their countries.

That's how bad the perception of these ME countries is. There's consequences to stoning women, raping women and then charging them for it, cutting off peoples heads, etc. etc. You are viewed as animals, and people really don't care if animals are killed, unless they're a cute puppy. There are few cute puppies in the ME...

Chuck

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally Posted by iGas

Perhaps idiotic Zionist extremists would do something that stupid, because it would surely drag Iran, China, Russia, and the West into war.

Is this why Putin declared use of chemical weapons as unacceptable?

Trust me, if Assad did that Russia would withdraw all support of the Assad regime.

No one would give a fuck about the response either, it would be seen as justified, one NBC attack retaliated by another NBC attack. Chemical weapons and nuclear weapons are in the same class of weapons.

[Oric]

Essad is negotiating for political asylum with Venezuela or Belarus

[iGas]

Originally Posted by chucky2

Haha. China and Russia? On behalf of who? Russia might be pissed, but as long as none of their people were harmed, they'd simply pull out and go home. China? You must be smoking da crack.

No one (that matters in the world) cares about these ME countries dude. They are a source for oil and to sell expensive Defense toys to. That's it. You could nuke the entire ME, save for Israel and perhaps Turkey (heck, throw Turkey in too for what it'd matter), and as long as the oil prices somehow didn't get all out of whack and the radiation didn't somehow leach/blow out of the ME, 99% of the people would forget about it in 3 months and go back to watching Honey Boo Boo or drinking Tea or skiing or whatever they do in their countries.

That's how bad the perception of these ME countries is. There's consequences to stoning women, raping women and then charging them for it, cutting off peoples heads, etc. etc. You are viewed as animals, and people really don't care if animals are killed, unless they're a cute puppy. There are few cute puppies in the ME...

Chuck

I agree that the West, Russia, and China only interested in the ME, because it is laden with oil. However, things will heat up in the surrounding region if nuclear weapons are use. As you can see how unstable the ME is after the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq (the fighting has pilled over on to Libya, Egypt, and now Syria) with just convectional weapons.

What will become of Syria after the West oust Assad?
Perhaps, another corrupted Muslim extremist state.

Anger grows over Syrian rebel corruption

[chucky2]

The great thing is that whatever happens to these countries, unless we're dumb enough to get involved, will be their own doing. Not take care of the radical problem? Live under delusions? Welp, going to be ruled by them. I don't wish it upon them though, we're going to start experiencing our own self brought version in a short few decades.

[Nintendesert]

Originally Posted by iGas

I agree that the West, Russia, and China only interested in the ME, because it is laden with oil. However, things will heat up in the surrounding region if nuclear weapons are use. As you can see how unstable the ME is after the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq (the fighting has pilled over on to Libya, Egypt, and now Syria) with just convectional weapons.

What will become of Syria after the West oust Assad?
Perhaps, another corrupted Muslim extremist state.

Anger grows over Syrian rebel corruption

The biggest problem with Assad being thrown out like this is the anarchy that follows. In Iraq the anarchy led to a lot of munitions being stolen from armories and used as IEDs, in Syria it results in the proliferation of chemical weapons, in Pakistan it means nuclear weapons.