UPDATE: now with video - New BlackBerry BB10 L images

[Red Storm]

Even if they did get app devs on board, good luck getting Android and iOS users to make the switch. You have to better to get people to switch, not be catching up.

[Eug]

RIM still has a significant presence in enterprise. If they can keep those users and expand from there, they have a chance.

[Red Storm]

Considering many government agencies are now giving up on their BB only restrictions, I think RIM is truly screwed.

[Deeko]

Originally Posted by gorcorps

Not that I care who copies who or if I even believe any of it, but we all knew what the iphone 5 looked like months ahead of time too.

This was from January, nine months before the iPhone 5 release. Granted it's changed a little since this first render, but it's still the same basic shape and size, just a bit more refined:

[silverpig]

Originally Posted by Ravynmagi

I assumed it was common knowledge. There is no way Blackberry will survive or at least ever be more than a small niche for business customers. Hardware doesn't really matter that much, it's the software and it's way too late in the game and too many competitors already to get the third party app developers on board.

The OS looks to be an improvement on iOS and Android from a user experience perspective. They have actually innovated on the whole touch interface and are providing something new.

They also have pretty much all the Android devs already. It takes 15 minutes to port an Android app over (I've already used many on my PlayBook). RIM also invested heavily in third party developers and is writing a lot of the absolutely key applications themselves.

[Ravynmagi]

Originally Posted by silverpig

The OS looks to be an improvement on iOS and Android from a user experience perspective. They have actually innovated on the whole touch interface and are providing something new.

They also have pretty much all the Android devs already. It takes 15 minutes to port an Android app over (I've already used many on my PlayBook). RIM also invested heavily in third party developers and is writing a lot of the absolutely key applications themselves.

I thought WebOS on the HP TouchPad was pretty nice too. Unfortunately without the apps it really didn't matter.

I heard the Android app experience on the Playbook was pretty horrible.

I don't doubt Blackberry 10 will have some apps, it just won't be remotely enough to convince Android and iOS users to switch. And they have to compete against Microsoft who is also trying to win over Android and iOS users and have a lot more resources to work with.

[Eug]

Yeah, but Windows Phone has even less adoption than Blackberry OS. RIM is actually ahead of them in that regard.

[Ravynmagi]

Originally Posted by Eug

Yeah, but Windows Phone has even less adoption than Blackberry OS. RIM is actually ahead of them in that regard.

And going in the wrong direction. I have no problem imaging Windows Phone surpassing Blackberry in the near future.

[silverpig]

Originally Posted by Ravynmagi

And going in the wrong direction. I have no problem imaging Windows Phone surpassing Blackberry in the near future.

RIM gained subscribers between the last 2 quarterly reports...

[TuxDave]

Originally Posted by silverpig

RIM gained subscribers between the last 2 quarterly reports...

That's mind blowing to me.

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally Posted by TuxDave

That's mind blowing to me.

The subscriber base is mostly lower end device users. Almost all the of the new subscribers have been from low end devices from pushes in developing countries.

Its not something to be that proud about.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by silverpig

RIM gained subscribers between the last 2 quarterly reports...

And the stock has been climbing fast as well.

RIM climbs to seven-month high as developer interest in BlackBerry 10 grows

Research In Motion Ltd. climbed to a seven-month high after the BlackBerry maker said a survey showed application developers’ willingness to endorse its new BlackBerry 10 platform has more than doubled since May.

58% of developers questioned between May and October said they would recommend BlackBerry 10, according to a report by Pivot Point Research commissioned by Waterloo, Ontario-based RIM.

The shares climbed 6.1% to US$12.60 at the close in New York, the highest price since May 2. The stock has doubled since Sept. 24, just before the company’s last earnings report, though it remains down 13% this year. RIM is scheduled to report earnings Dec. 20.

[theevilsharpie]

Originally Posted by Ravynmagi

I thought WebOS on the HP TouchPad was pretty nice too. Unfortunately without the apps it really didn't matter.

This.

I saw the video where the guy was demoing the new BB10 phone, and while the OS looks decent enough (certainly better than RIM's previous efforts), I didn't see anything in that video that I haven't already been doing for years on Android.

If RIM released this phone a few years earlier while the consumer smartphone market was still taking shape, I might have bought it. But RIM didn't have a product available, so I went with Android instead. Today, I'm entrenched enough in the Android ecosystem that it's going to take something a hell of a lot better to convince me to switch.

[Ravynmagi]

Originally Posted by silverpig

RIM gained subscribers between the last 2 quarterly reports...

Not sure what the context of that is. But all I ever hear is bad news about RIM's market share.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/1...ips-some-more/

[Deeko]

Originally Posted by Ravynmagi

Not sure what the context of that is. But all I ever hear is bad news about RIM's market share.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/1...ips-some-more/

The market is growing - they can lose market share and gain subscribers, because the overall market is getting bigger.

Originally Posted by NikolaeVarius

The subscriber base is mostly lower end device users. Almost all the of the new subscribers have been from low end devices from pushes in developing countries.

Its not something to be that proud about.

If people are buying your phones and services, people are buying your phones and services. Its better than not having any subscribers, at any rate. Given the amount of cheap/free/prepaid Android phones there are, I wouldn't be surprised if a very large chunk of Android's 74% marketshare is low end users too. It still counts.

[PowerYoga]

Originally Posted by Red Storm

It looks like an older Moto phone, the Droid X, not the newer models.

Thats my first thought. A thinner droidX. But then that's exactly what an iphone 5 looks like.... except the iphone is probably 15 lbs lighter.

[Red Storm]

Originally Posted by PowerYoga

Thats my first thought. A thinner droidX. But then that's exactly what an iphone 5 looks like.... except the iphone is probably 15 lbs lighter.

lol

Android and iOS have really raised the bar, and RIM has to beat that standard to get people to switch, not just approach it.

[Ravynmagi]

Originally Posted by Deeko

The market is growing - they can lose market share and gain subscribers, because the overall market is getting bigger.

True, that could explain more subscribers while market share is dropping. But that market share has been dropping quite significantly, seems more than the market has been growing.

[silverpig]

Originally Posted by Ravynmagi

True, that could explain more subscribers while market share is dropping. But that market share has been dropping quite significantly, seems more than the market has been growing.

If that was true, then they'd be losing subscribers, which isn't the case.

[silverpig]

Bump for video update.

[Zink]

Looks outdated in a way already. The design language anyway. Maybe usability is improved but Google and Apple will just bring over the best OS features. There is no way they can match Apple's hardware and market share and Google is set on hammering prices for flagship devices into the ground and are improving Android every year.

[TuxDave]

Originally Posted by silverpig

Bump for video update.

heh, man. It uh.. reminds me of something. Can't put a finger on it though.

[Kelvrick]

WTF. I'm pretty shocked that it is being leaked through a video speaking vietnamese.

I'm too lazy to translate.

[Eug]

You can now reserve your BB10 device in Canada.

http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/12/17/ri...vation-system/

“Rogers was the first carrier in Canada to launch BlackBerry and first in Canada to launch an LTE Network so we’re thrilled to let you know that as of today, Rogers customers can be amongst the first in the world to reserve the BlackBerry 10 all-touch device online at www.rogers.com/reserve. Full details about BlackBerry 10 including, pricing, availability and specifications, will be announced in early 2013. For more information, visit: www.blackberry.com/BlackBerry10.”

[silverpig]

Originally Posted by Eug

You can now reserve your BB10 device in Canada.

http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/12/17/ri...vation-system/

“Rogers was the first carrier in Canada to launch BlackBerry and first in Canada to launch an LTE Network so we’re thrilled to let you know that as of today, Rogers customers can be amongst the first in the world to reserve the BlackBerry 10 all-touch device online at www.rogers.com/reserve. Full details about BlackBerry 10 including, pricing, availability and specifications, will be announced in early 2013. For more information, visit: www.blackberry.com/BlackBerry10.”

The newspaper had an article about this. Basically, you pay $40 to reserve it, but there's no guarantee you'll get it ahead of anyone else, there's no specs, information, or arrival date, and really, no reason to reserve at all.