500 Admirals and Generals endorse Gov. Romney

[Northern Lawn]

Originally Posted by Angry Irishman

If you really think Obama killed Bin Laden and deserves that credit....you were watching the political ads. The military and it's expertise killed Bin Laden and that was in play for a long time before our saviour came around to take the credit.

Bush and his regime are gone....I wish the world would get over that. Four years have passed and I'd love the man to take responsibility for his presidency.

He hasn't done anything terrible to the military yet...it's coming. He is going to gut the military; not cut it back smartly and safely. Why, for one, he has no conceptual idea of what is required to run a military of this size and scope and two, he won't listen to anyone who tells him otherwise and have the expertise to provide him counsel.

I do believe he killed Bin Ladin and yes, he deserves the credit. Do YOU REMEMBER TORA BORA? That's Bush.. he let bin ladin go.

Your Military gives suitcases full of money to the Taliban warlords. Spends billions training Afghan police.. and now most of your casualties come from inside jobs by these very policemen.

Do you really want you military calling the shots? More money, more troops, Draft and more and more money.

Greatest army in the world, spending more money than the rest of the world combined.. 11 years.. and the Taliban is winning.

Declare victory and go home. You would have to draft a half million people and spend trillions of chinese dollars to win that war and all you get out if it is TSA strip searches and runaway inflation (soon to come).

Congrats.

[shadow9d9]

Originally Posted by Angry Irishman

If you really think Obama killed Bin Laden and deserves that credit....you were watching the political ads. The military and it's expertise killed Bin Laden and that was in play for a long time before our saviour came around to take the credit.

Bush and his regime are gone....I wish the world would get over that. Four years have passed and I'd love the man to take responsibility for his presidency.

He hasn't done anything terrible to the military yet...it's coming. He is going to gut the military; not cut it back smartly and safely. Why, for one, he has no conceptual idea of what is required to run a military of this size and scope and two, he won't listen to anyone who tells him otherwise and have the expertise to provide him counsel.

The repercussions of Bush and his regime are not nearly gone though, and anyone with a brain can see that.

As for the presidency, he takes responsibility for that under his control. When the republicans fillibuster everything, including their own proposed bills, they are the ones that have responsibility.

[Angry Irishman]

Originally Posted by shadow9d9

The repercussions of Bush and his regime are not nearly gone though, and anyone with a brain can see that.

As for the presidency, he takes responsibility for that under his control. When the republicans fillibuster everything, including their own proposed bills, they are the ones that have responsibility.

Oh the unfledged loyalty to a political party. The Senate plays the same game and they are by far mostly Democrats. Both parties are responsible. Both parties voted us into war.

How soon (or how far down the road) before I'm hearing about Bush with this new term.

[EagleKeeper]

Originally Posted by Northern Lawn

I do believe he killed Bin Ladin and yes, he deserves the credit. Do YOU REMEMBER TORA BORA? That's Bush.. he let bin ladin go.

Your Military gives suitcases full of money to the Taliban warlords. Spends billions training Afghan police.. and now most of your casualties come from inside jobs by these very policemen.

Do you really want you military calling the shots? More money, more troops, Draft and more and more money.

Greatest army in the world, spending more money than the rest of the world combined.. 11 years.. and the Taliban is winning.

Declare victory and go home. You would have to draft a half million people and spend trillions of chinese dollars to win that war and all you get out if it is TSA strip searches and runaway inflation (soon to come).

Congrats.

Please separate the military from the politicians that control the actions the military are allowed to perform.

Politicians have setup rules that cripple the functionality of the military.
If the military gives out bags of money; it is under orders.

the governments are the ones that vet the local LEO; not our military.

Put the BLAME where is belongs

[Angry Irishman]

Originally Posted by Northern Lawn

I do believe he killed Bin Ladin and yes, he deserves the credit. Do YOU REMEMBER TORA BORA? That's Bush.. he let bin ladin go.

Your Military gives suitcases full of money to the Taliban warlords. Spends billions training Afghan police.. and now most of your casualties come from inside jobs by these very policemen.

Do you really want you military calling the shots? More money, more troops, Draft and more and more money.

Greatest army in the world, spending more money than the rest of the world combined.. 11 years.. and the Taliban is winning.

Declare victory and go home. You would have to draft a half million people and spend trillions of chinese dollars to win that war and all you get out if it is TSA strip searches and runaway inflation (soon to come).

Congrats.

You seem to forget that your countryman play a roll in this as well....no? So we've gone from what was a constructive conversation to America bashing...congrats to you.

[Northern Lawn]

Originally Posted by EagleKeeper

Please separate the military from the politicians that control the actions the military are allowed to perform.

Politicians have setup rules that cripple the functionality of the military.
If the military gives out bags of money; it is under orders.

Put the BLAME where is belongs

Can't do it. That's IS the way it is and the way it's always been and the way it SHOULD be.

What's the alternative? Let the military have free reign?

[Northern Lawn]

Originally Posted by Angry Irishman

You seem to forget that your countryman play a roll in this as well....no? So we've gone from what was a constructive conversation to America bashing...congrats to you.

Well we were all for it, I know I was and it had nothing to do with NATO. America was attacked.. let's fight with them, nato or no nato. But when America (Bush) lost interest and turned it into nation building, a waiting game, let bin ladin go. When he went onto Iraq, the smartest nations went on pause and the best of them have already left Afghanistan. We should have left as well like 10 years ago. Only the Dumbass English went to help you in Iraq.. oh and the coalition of "New Europe" LOL.

I mean if America has no interest in afghanistan and they were ones attacked, why should we care about it at all?

[EagleKeeper]

Originally Posted by Northern Lawn

Can't do it. That's IS the way it is and the way it's always been and the way it SHOULD be.

What's the alternative? Let the military have free reign?

I agree, the military should not have the free reigene. They are to obey the legal orders of the chain of command per our constitution.

But they should not get the blame on the policies that are unreasonable being asked by them for the pleasure of the politicians.

[Meghan54]

Originally Posted by EagleKeeper

The US military was unable to mount a deterrent against the Japanese conquest well before '42.

That is one reason is why the Japanese were able to sweep down through SW Asia and the islands of the East Indies/Philippines.

The US was unable to put up any decent resistance.
We had pockets of areas but not enough to turn the tide; it was a delaying action for 2-3 years, buying time to rebuild.

The attack against the fleet was to ensure that there would be no direct Naval support to challenge the island hopping going on. The Japanese air cover in their push made it easy against what resistance was available. Had we lost the carriers also; New Zealand and Australia would have been isolated. the Japanese were already knocking on their door from New Guinea.

Did you ever stop to consider that the defense draw down prior to WWII was, in large part, due to three successive dud Republican presidents (Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover) shrinking the size of the military and its budget?

[ivwshane]

Originally Posted by Meghan54

Did you ever stop to consider that the defense draw down prior to WWII was, in large part, due to three successive dud Republican presidents (Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover) shrinking the size of the military and its budget?

That doesn't line up with his alternate reality.

[Zebo]

Of couse they do..they know who delivers govt cheese. To me miltary is just another wefare program from scientists to unemployable ppl from the sticks...it certqinly doesnt do anything productive ppl want to buy.

[nextJin]

Originally Posted by Zebo

Of couse they do..they know who delivers govt cheese. To me miltary is just another wefare program from scientists to unemployable ppl from the sticks...it certqinly doesnt do anything productive ppl want to buy.

nice

[sigurros81]

My gut feeling tells me these 500 guys will endorse Bachmann 2016.

[UberNeuman]

Originally Posted by sigurros81

My gut feeling tells me these 500 guys will endorse Bachmann 2016.

By that time, I'm sure that number will drop - as many of them will drop before that date....

[Arglebargle]

Originally Posted by Meghan54

Did you ever stop to consider that the defense draw down prior to WWII was, in large part, due to three successive dud Republican presidents (Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover) shrinking the size of the military and its budget?

The American army was in the process of expanding to ten times it's previous size. They knew the storm was coming. They just didn't start early enough.

It didn't help that Genralissimo MacArther was feeding Washington a load of bull about how the Phillipines armed forces were going to be able to tie up the Japanese for years if they invaded. All the while living in his mandarin luxury there.

[dawheat]

Originally Posted by Angry Irishman

If you really think Obama killed Bin Laden and deserves that credit....you were watching the political ads. The military and it's expertise killed Bin Laden and that was in play for a long time before our saviour came around to take the credit.

Bush and his regime are gone....I wish the world would get over that. Four years have passed and I'd love the man to take responsibility for his presidency.

He hasn't done anything terrible to the military yet...it's coming. He is going to gut the military; not cut it back smartly and safely. Why, for one, he has no conceptual idea of what is required to run a military of this size and scope and two, he won't listen to anyone who tells him otherwise and have the expertise to provide him counsel.

Except of course Obama's proposal was endorsed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "It's not perfect," said Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs. "There will be people who think it goes too far. Others will say it didn't go nearly far enough. That probably makes it about right for today."

The DOD is going to spend OVER $700 Billion this year. It's an insane number considering the world. For example, why do we need to spend 5 billion this year building another Virginia class SSN when there is no sea power in the world who can threaten us and when our current SSN fleet could sink every navy out there in a matter of days? China is still a joke and no country in the world can project power in any meaningful way outside of their own borders. See NATO in Libya - they basically couldn't continue air operations after a few days without us.

There are so many people still stuck in the cold war - thinking that we need to fight a high tech war against another high tech enemy (Soviet Union 2.0). That threat doesn't exist and frankly there is no threat to American hegemony for he foreseeable future.

So let's move on from the Cold War, get out of Afghanistan, and move to a 1.5 war strategy with the ability to grow as needed, and do some nation building here at home for the next 5 years.