|
|
 |
11-05-2012, 08:03 PM
|
#1
|
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,628
|
Ubuntu will account for roughly 9% of all global PC shipments by 2014.
I dunno if I believe that, but I wouldn't mind seeing it happen. I am not a fan of gnome3, or ubuntus unity.
But if we could get 9% of shipments they would get way better. Maybe some game support (steam+ AAAs), I like windows but really like linux.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/u...rocket-in-2011
|
|
|
|
11-05-2012, 08:11 PM
|
#2
|
|
Lifer
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: In Memory
Posts: 14,969
|
wasn't there plans to use Ubuntu for that whole One Laptop Per Child program? wonder what happened to that and whether that % accounts for it.
__________________
goodbye
|
|
|
|
|
11-05-2012, 09:33 PM
|
#3
|
|
Lifer
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 31,748
|
I don't use Ubuntu much anymore, but I'd love to see them do well. More Ubuntu machines means more people hacking on GNU/Linux code. That'll be good for everyone.
Edit:
Valve on GNU/Linux...
Quote:
When Valve set up their digital distribution service nine years ago, Microsoft were in a very different place. At the time they had “no issue” with Steam, says Valve engineer Drew Bliss, but “Steam nowadays would probably be impossible to do”.
“If you look at the way the world is going, where you see Apple completely in control of their system, and at least part of Windows 8 entirely controlled by the Microsoft App Store, Steam is going to be a little bit harder to do - both in the store aspect and in the content delivery aspect.”
That’s why Valve have turned. They want to make Linux the best little gaming platform it can be.
“We want to continue developing in open platforms and so we’re looking around, and obviously Linux has become a very viable alternate platform. So we are now looking into doing Steam for Linux and supporting as many of our Steam games for Linux as we can.”
At the Ubuntu Summit in Copenhagen, Bliss reassured the Linux community that Valve didn’t intend to lock the platform down, but rather ensure the survival of what they consider to be PC gaming’s last open platform.
“We want to remove one roadblock that people have with Linux usage and keep the open platform alive. If Microsoft goes the way Apple has and Windows and Macintosh are, both completely closed ecosystems, Linux really is the best alternative for everybody. So we want to help it be as good a platform as possible.”
|
http://www.pcgamesn.com/article/valv...ndows-8-gaming
__________________
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Last edited by lxskllr; 11-05-2012 at 09:46 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
11-06-2012, 09:34 AM
|
#4
|
|
Super Moderator
Elite Member
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 26,630
|
After nearly 15 years of it being "the year of the Linux desktop", I do not even slightly believe these projections will be true. That battle is over and has been lost. 
You'll always have a few PCs shipping with Linux, but 95%+ of the market will remain MS + Apple through 2014. PC buyers will want an operating system that can run their software, and cheap consumers will go for tablet-like devices that of course won't run Ubuntu.
__________________
ViRGE
Team Anandtech: Assimilating a computer near you!
GameStop - An upscale specialized pawnshop that happens to sell new games on the side
Todd the Wraith: On Fruit Bowls - I hope they prove [to be] as delicious as the farmers who grew them
|
|
|
|
11-06-2012, 10:59 AM
|
#5
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 217
|
Valve is just looking for a safe port for steam, with both windows and mac having built in stores. And they are right windows 8 is bad... for valve. I don't feel Microsoft is being anti steam, they are being pro Microsoft.
I really fail to see how Steam on Linux or Ubuntu is going to get any more traction on the desktop going forward. OsX only has about 9% marketshare. I'm not sure what the incentive for developers to follow steam to Linux is, and I'm not sure how steam is even better for developers than the native stores in OsX and Windows. Good on Valve for trying to keep Steam relevant, but it has the feel of a dying shriek to me.
|
|
|
|
|
11-06-2012, 11:20 AM
|
#6
|
|
Lifer
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 31,748
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRGE
After nearly 15 years of it being "the year of the Linux desktop", I do not even slightly believe these projections will be true. That battle is over and has been lost. |
No one seriously discusses the "year of the Linux desktop" anymore. It's running joke on GNU/Linux centric forums. All it takes is a significant minority share to make things better for everyone. GNU/Linux on the desktop already has more market share than Opera browser, and Windows gets less relevant every year. Even having half of OSX's share would be pretty sweet, and would add a lot of support for the platform, and I see no reason OSX can't be matched, especially with the way Canonical is positioning the platform. Steam is just icing on the cake, and gamers tend to be tweakers, so they're a perfect match for GNU/Linux.
__________________
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
|
|
|
|
|
11-06-2012, 02:47 PM
|
#7
|
|
Lifer
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 10,304
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by lxskllr
No one seriously discusses the "year of the Linux desktop" anymore. It's running joke on GNU/Linux centric forums. All it takes is a significant minority share to make things better for everyone. GNU/Linux on the desktop already has more market share than Opera browser, and Windows gets less relevant every year. Even having half of OSX's share would be pretty sweet, and would add a lot of support for the platform, and I see no reason OSX can't be matched, especially with the way Canonical is positioning the platform. Steam is just icing on the cake, and gamers tend to be tweakers, so they're a perfect match for GNU/Linux.
|
The only thing keeping me from switching from windows to linux completely is gaming and generally windows has more GUI options, in linux i would have to use the terminal to get certain things done which in windows involves clicking a button.
I can deal with the terminal, but losing a good chunk of my games is a bit much. Maybe if xen and its GPU passthrough capabilities came to maturity or at least were much easier to configure/setup then i could switch to linux full time and game on the windows 7 vm.
With steam coming and planetary annihilation supporting linux its looking pretty good overall. If CoH2 supported linux i would switch, old games be damned!
__________________
Most unbalanced rig ever: Core i7 3930k // Asus P9X79PRO // 8GB DDR3 // Radeon 5850 // Phanteks PH-TC14PE 2x TY141 // Xonar Essence STX // WD 500GB HDD // Antec HCP 1200 // Silverstone FT02
Lappy: 13" Asus UL30A
Server/HTPC: Core i5 2400s // Noctua NH U12PSE2 1x NF-F12// GA-H77-D3H // 4GB DDR3 // 4x1.5TB Samsung F2 // 128GB Crucial M4 SSD // Antec 300 // Seasonic X460 FL
|
|
|
|
|
11-06-2012, 02:48 PM
|
#8
|
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 5,769
|
I bet even at 9% shipped that at least half the machines get reformatted with windows shortly after deployment.
__________________
Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society
|
|
|
|
|
11-06-2012, 10:02 PM
|
#9
|
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,550
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunbuster
I bet even at 9% shipped that at least half the machines get reformatted with windows shortly after deployment.
|
What about the machines shipping with windows which get reformatted to Linux?
You can add both my laptops to the list and if not for games I'd be running Ubuntu on my desktop as well.
__________________
Laptop: Asus G75VX, i7 3630qm, Corsair Perf Pro 256GB, 16GB DDR3, 670mx 3GB GDDR5, Ubuntu 12.04
Portable: Samsung 530U3C, Samsung 840 250GB, 8GB DDR3, Ubuntu 12.04
|
|
|
|
|
11-07-2012, 12:18 AM
|
#10
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: nowhere important
Posts: 783
|
Steam needs to reconsider their choice of Ubuntu. But I can see Linux finally becoming more popular.
Last edited by power_hour; 11-07-2012 at 12:21 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
11-07-2012, 06:36 AM
|
#11
|
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,628
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian
The only thing keeping me from switching from windows to linux completely is gaming and generally windows has more GUI options, in linux i would have to use the terminal to get certain things done which in windows involves clicking a button.
I can deal with the terminal, but losing a good chunk of my games is a bit much. Maybe if xen and its GPU passthrough capabilities came to maturity or at least were much easier to configure/setup then i could switch to linux full time and game on the windows 7 vm.
With steam coming and planetary annihilation supporting linux its looking pretty good overall. If CoH2 supported linux i would switch, old games be damned!
|
I haven't enjoyed linux/ubuntu since gnome 2 days. If it wasn't for games and advanced excel functions I probably would have used linux all through school. Also the tearing in videos was a problem maybe that is fixed now?
It was fun getting the OS the exact way you wanted it, from dockbarx giving you near windows taskbar functionality to compiz giving you all the best of mac features. Quicksilver with a bunch of options. Man linux is great I hope it does account for 9% of global shipments. It needs to make a AWESOME tablet asap tho.
Wine project was pretty sweet, if only it was perfect...
|
|
|
|
|
11-07-2012, 10:02 AM
|
#12
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 436
|
I can't say I use Ubuntu on any system on a daily basis, but I definitely see overall linux usage rising in the near future.
The big growth of Apple has forced a lot of users and developers to open up to being more cross-platform friendly. Where 10 years ago, no one would ever think or care how to keep documents synced or have software licenses transfer between a PC and a mac, today these are things that even the average user thinks about.
As people become less tied to a particular desktop computer hardware/OS partnership, and more to cloud services, it will be easier for people to use linux/ubuntu as an alternative to windows.
__________________
Desktop: I3 2120/P8B75/ATI 4850/8GB/1TB WD Black
HTPC1: XII 250 / 785g / 4gb DDR2 / 1TB WD Black | HTPC2: X2 4200+ / 2GB DDR1 / ATI 4350
Game/File/Backup Server: S939 Opteron 180 2x2.4ghz / 4GB DDR1 / 4TB
Portable: HP DM3 Athlon Neo K325 - small and light
Dlink DNS 323 NAS - 1TB - media storage
|
|
|
|
|
11-07-2012, 10:05 AM
|
#13
|
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 3,922
|
I like the sound of Ubuntu getting more popular
|
|
|
|
|
11-07-2012, 12:14 PM
|
#14
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Uppsala, Schweden, Yurop
Posts: 978
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRGE
After nearly 15 years of it being "the year of the Linux desktop", I do not even slightly believe these projections will be true. That battle is over and has been lost.
You'll always have a few PCs shipping with Linux, but 95%+ of the market will remain MS + Apple through 2014. PC buyers will want an operating system that can run their software, and cheap consumers will go for tablet-like devices that of course won't run Ubuntu. |
The desktop itself will die off before Linux has a chance to take over. In the future, everyone will write 200-page essays, play 3D FPS games and do advanced scientific calculations on 9" tablets. 27" non-touch screen displays will not be available. At least that's the way Microsoft and PC manufacturers are trying to shape the future.
__________________
Rig: Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe, Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.7 GHz/2.6 GHz unCore, 4GB DDR2 @ 800 MHz/1T/4-4-4-12, Gainward GTX460 1GB "GS", M-Audio Delta1010LT, A+ Qubic case w/Corsair VX 450W PSU
Storage: 1TB Hitachi, 2TB WD Green, 640GB WD SE16, 500GB Samsung T166, 500GB Seagate, 1TB Buffalo USB 2.0, 64GB OCZ Synapse Cache SSD, 120GB OCZ Agility 3
Phone: Samsung Galaxy S III international version
|
|
|
|
|
11-17-2012, 04:52 AM
|
#15
|
|
Platinum Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: DC Metro Area
Posts: 2,918
|
The only part about linux that I like is the shell(which IS awesome), but I have no need for any gui interface on Linux. I've used over a dozen Linux distros over the past 6 years and they are all the same in 1 regard. Their GUI interfaces are completely inferior to both Microsoft and Apple. It's got cool features and stuff, but the totality of it is that it's still plagued with silly driver & basic functionality problems (mostly depending on the h/w) and the usability is simply not consistent.
|
|
|
|
|
11-17-2012, 10:18 AM
|
#16
|
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 4,621
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by KlokWyze
The only part about linux that I like is the shell(which IS awesome),
|
Errr.
Use a real shell that doesn't have you manipulating strings to do anything useful and you'll change your tune.
|
|
|
|
|
11-17-2012, 12:15 PM
|
#17
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 30,635
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferzerp
Errr.
Use a real shell that doesn't have you manipulating strings to do anything useful and you'll change your tune.
|
If you're talking about PowerShell, you're out of your mind.
|
|
|
|
|
11-17-2012, 01:55 PM
|
#18
|
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 4,621
|
Powershell is far superior to bash.
But hey, spend half your time on string manipulation instead of just passing objects to commands and getting actual work done. It doesn't bother me what you want to spend your time on.
|
|
|
|
|
11-17-2012, 05:59 PM
|
#19
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 30,635
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferzerp
Powershell is far superior to bash.
But hey, spend half your time on string manipulation instead of just passing objects to commands and getting actual work done. It doesn't bother me what you want to spend your time on.
|
Pow-Pow-PowerShell is terrible. Its only saving grace is that MS is forcing it upon people. A scripting language is supposed to be quick and dirty, if I wanted to develop a full program with full object orientation and strong type enforcement I would use one of the many existing, openly standardized languages.
|
|
|
|
|
11-17-2012, 07:44 PM
|
#20
|
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 4,621
|
You have no real beef with it other than who has written it.
Just admit it. It's MS so you hate it.
Quick and dirty? Yes, string manipulation to do *everything* defines quick for me. You've ridiculed with no substance. Your only criticism is that it's too powerful? Are you even reading what you're writing?
Attitudes like yours are why we roll our eyes at open source zealots in the real world. Every tool its place. Attitudes like yours can't see that. You let your weird biases color every choice instead of evaluating things on their merits. Like with most zealots, it is a waste of time trying to have a discussion with you.
Last edited by Ferzerp; 11-17-2012 at 07:47 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
11-18-2012, 09:21 AM
|
#21
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 30,635
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferzerp
You have no real beef with it other than who has written it.
Just admit it. It's MS so you hate it.
Quick and dirty? Yes, string manipulation to do *everything* defines quick for me. You've ridiculed with no substance. Your only criticism is that it's too powerful? Are you even reading what you're writing?
Attitudes like yours are why we roll our eyes at open source zealots in the real world. Every tool its place. Attitudes like yours can't see that. You let your weird biases color every choice instead of evaluating things on their merits. Like with most zealots, it is a waste of time trying to have a discussion with you.
|
No, my beef is with its terrible usability and syntax. I couldn't care less who produced it.
Everyone's weird biases color their opinions, if they didn't we would just be emotionless automatons. And yes, my past experiences with bash and perl affect how I view other languages. That and the fact that yet another language just wasn't needed, MS could easily have taken something like ActivePerl and just made it their official language for working with AD, Exchange, etc instead of coming up with a new one in an already saturated area.
|
|
|
|
|
11-18-2012, 12:32 PM
|
#22
|
|
Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 11,354
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmiG
The desktop itself will die off before Linux has a chance to take over. In the future, everyone will write 200-page essays, play 3D FPS games and do advanced scientific calculations on 9" tablets. 27" non-touch screen displays will not be available. At least that's the way Microsoft and PC manufacturers are trying to shape the future.
|
A significant proportion of those tablets will be running a form of Linux.
I think a lot of you are underestimating the effect steam might have.
__________________
...and the more we drink, the more we sing Calon Lan.
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:27 AM.
|
