thermaltake water 2.0

[Macgruber]

edit- what you guys think RS240 with 4 fans pushpull or RX240 huge radiator with 2 fans?

[Vectronic]

It won't cause a heating issue... your issue, unless you have that same motherboard too... is the 4/8pin power connection.

I'd never be able to cram my motherboard in there without flipping the power connection to the backside of the board. (ie: de-solder and re-solder)

As far as cases go, I'd have to agree... it's a horrid case... but then again I went for the Fractal Design R4 (with window)... kind of the opposite ends of the spectrum I guess (also apparently not available at TigerDirect).

Tried looking through TigerDirect's cases... SLOW... and at page 4 it timed out/error so I gave up.

RS240, 2 fan push... probably 2 non-stock fans though... if you can mount it in the front, then maybe push/pull... but that's a big rad... 3.35" in a push/pull setup unless you go slim fan, but then you may as well stick with push.

[Kenmitch]

The HAF 932 you returned would suck up the larger rad and then some up top.

When looking at case images look at the rear shots. Look at the MB i/o shield cutout as it lines up with edge of MB. Need a couple inches above it for thicker rads.

[Macgruber]

+ so give me opinions on a case


+ Tbh i cant buy a coolermaster 932 and buy 50$+ worth of dust filters to make it like the level 10 gt


+ i PERSONALLY liked the gt 10 layout and style, i havent seen anyone point out a real flaw with it


+ even the swing out door i thought was awesome


+ i always appreciate when you guys give me a second brain to brainstorm with, but opinions aside i need your expertise ;(

my gskill trident x might not let the XSPC fit, i might have to remove the top of the heatsink, my 8pin connector at the top is where the heatsinks for mobo are so i dont know, i really dont want to buy the xspc to find out the hard way i saw the pics above and got hope

still lost and confused im all over the place so i appreciate your tolerance for my loopy posts

[Macgruber]

edit- damn the haf932 has so much clearance on top, its just im trying to outweigh pro's and con's and the l10gt is winning in my book, everything is more practical i just dont want to squeeze a RX240 in there

i might start looking for a different water kit, even though at this point im TEMPTED to sign for the Level10GT LCS and get a crap aluminum/copper 500L/hr kit that i can adjust its settings

[Kenmitch]

Here is my 2550k rig in HAF 932. Old photo so could be a 2500k or possibly 2700k can't remember. Memory looks like skills which is tall. The rad was mounted with longer MBA standoff under stock fan at time.



Lots of room even without bay reservoir: )

[VirtualLarry]

Originally Posted by Macgruber

im a nutcase

Refreshing to see some honesty there.

Edit: Just so this post isn't a total dig... you might want to actually do more research and planning on your kit, rather than impulse-buy something, and then want something else. Granted, we've all pretty-much done just that at some point, but it tends to cost $$$ in the end.

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by VirtualLarry

Refreshing to see some honesty there.

Edit: Just so this post isn't a total dig... you might want to actually do more research and planning on your kit, rather than impulse-buy something, and then want something else. Granted, we've all pretty-much done just that at some point, but it tends to cost $$$ in the end.

At least i post honesty without opinions that dont have facts thanks for stating the obvious

obviously im researching, obviously im asking for help, obviously your stating the obvious but obviously your not posting any links or guides to help me research

i dont think you guys remember what it was to be newbs, but hey man, karma is nice, i always help people when i can.

[Macgruber]

think im going level 10gt
xspc 240rx
high speed fans
fan controller
custom tubing
i just need to find good coolant/additives and i should be set for a little while ;o

[Vectronic]

High speed doesn't always mean good, there's lots of high-speed fans that only push 35CFM, then there are lower-speed fans that can push >70CFM.

Just, random point... been hunting for fans recently.

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by Vectronic

High speed doesn't always mean good, there's lots of high-speed fans that only push 35CFM, then there are lower-speed fans that can push >70CFM.

Just, random point... been hunting for fans recently.

thanks man, im gonna go with some cheap 6$per untill i have 20$ per 120mm 20mm or 120mm 25mm fans

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17..._UV_Green.html if i buy this, is that the only thing i can fill my loop with or am i better off buying distilled water and additives?

ive got my kit set out basically, just not sure what ill be doing with the fluids, tomorrwo going to research some more

[Vectronic]

1 liter should be enough to fill your loop, probably twice. You should be able to mix it with pure water, but you're also diluting the anti-bacterial/etc additives when you do that. They generally mean don't mix it with other pre-mixed fluids when they say that.

All in all you're better off just buying two bottles, or one larger one and storing it properly.

[BrightCandle]

I have been watercooling for years, and I now have a pretty extreme loop. I think what you are looking for (you didn't state your need) was a cooler that will give you decent dissipation on a CPU for a 4.5Ghz 2600k, quietly. I like quiet too so I'll talk about low speeds (800rpm).

The key metric to understand is how much energy that will dump into a water loop. That sort of overclock you are looking at around 180W of power, lets call it an even 200W.

Typically at 120mm fans a thin radiator ( like the XSPC RS) will cool about 80 watts @ 800rpm to a water temperature delta of 10C. A thick radiator like the Thermochill PA series will cool about 110 watts at the same RPM also to 10C. Given that ideally you want 2x120mm worth of slots on your radiator to cool the CPU well while using low speed fans. Ideally that should be a thick radiator, the XSPC RX, a Thermochill PA or a great cheap performer the Swiftech MCR. The tests suggest the XSPC RX underperforms for its thickness and its not fantastic for low speed fans because of its Fins Per Inch, so a Thermochill PA would be better and the Swiftech MCR would be very close and is usually cheaper.

The fans really matter. Fans for watercooling have to produce higher static pressure than the average or the water system will dramatically underperform. Gentle Typhoon's are about the best you can get, have a really nice sound and can be got directly at low RPMs. If you can control fans from your motherboard headers or have a fan controller then the 1450 rpm or 1150rpm fans. If not then you can get an 800rpm fan directly.

For this sort of loop pump doesn't matter much, but the D5 is quieter than most when mounted well.

Because its a CPU only loop you can choose pretty much any cpu block so something like the EK supreme will perform very well and tends to be quite cheap. On the higher end the Heatkiller 3.0 will drop you another 1C or so on CPU temperature but its not a massive improvement. Buy yourself cheap straight barbs, some clips, a metre of tubing and a small reservoir along with deionised water and a silver coil for killing algae and you are done.

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by BrightCandle

I have been watercooling for years, and I now have a pretty extreme loop. I think what you are looking for (you didn't state your need) was a cooler that will give you decent dissipation on a CPU for a 4.5Ghz 2600k, quietly. I like quiet too so I'll talk about low speeds (800rpm).

The key metric to understand is how much energy that will dump into a water loop. That sort of overclock you are looking at around 180W of power, lets call it an even 200W.

Typically at 120mm fans a thin radiator ( like the XSPC RS) will cool about 80 watts @ 800rpm to a water temperature delta of 10C. A thick radiator like the Thermochill PA series will cool about 110 watts at the same RPM also to 10C. Given that ideally you want 2x120mm worth of slots on your radiator to cool the CPU well while using low speed fans. Ideally that should be a thick radiator, the XSPC RX, a Thermochill PA or a great cheap performer the Swiftech MCR. The tests suggest the XSPC RX underperforms for its thickness and its not fantastic for low speed fans because of its Fins Per Inch, so a Thermochill PA would be better and the Swiftech MCR would be very close and is usually cheaper.

The fans really matter. Fans for watercooling have to produce higher static pressure than the average or the water system will dramatically underperform. Gentle Typhoon's are about the best you can get, have a really nice sound and can be got directly at low RPMs. If you can control fans from your motherboard headers or have a fan controller then the 1450 rpm or 1150rpm fans. If not then you can get an 800rpm fan directly.

For this sort of loop pump doesn't matter much, but the D5 is quieter than most when mounted well.

Because its a CPU only loop you can choose pretty much any cpu block so something like the EK supreme will perform very well and tends to be quite cheap. On the higher end the Heatkiller 3.0 will drop you another 1C or so on CPU temperature but its not a massive improvement. Buy yourself cheap straight barbs, some clips, a metre of tubing and a small reservoir along with deionised water and a silver coil for killing algae and you are done.

sorry man i should have definately stated im buying a kit, im not buyign a seperate pump, a seperate radiator, a seperate cpu block, thats why i asked if it is more expensive buying the kit or seperate

i really appreciate the thorough information you've given me, ill look into the fans but im not going to spend 400$ on a water cooling system

[BrightCandle]

A kit is just all these bits preselected. It might be cheaper but probably not. With a bit of research you can build your own and potentially save ,money over getting a kit.

[SpeedTester]

If we spend the time and suggest a custom loop for you are you going to criticize our feedback or do we have to submit a resume to you on our life history first?

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by SpeedTester

If we spend the time and suggest a custom loop for you are you going to criticize our feedback or do we have to submit a resume to you on our life history first?

not at all, ill read what you write and if its trash ill ignore it

if not ill add it to my research+informed opinion conclusion.

except i already bought a 400$ kit seeing the people at another forum are more about STATS+FACTS+LINKS vs kids on here who tell me to buy things they dont personalliy own

[SpeedTester]

Originally Posted by Macgruber

not at all, ill read what you write and if its trash ill ignore it

if not ill add it to my research+informed opinion conclusion.

except i already bought a 400$ kit seeing the people at another forum are more about STATS+FACTS+LINKS vs kids on here who tell me to buy things they dont personalliy own

Some of us have been doing this hobby for a lot longer than you have been around. We have some great members here and should listen to their advice. We do have our fair share of beginners here also but you should be able to tell the two apart. If you must know I personally have 25+ years in the hobby/field, built over 350 custom machines, repaired & upgraded too many to remember. I do not have a college education but can tell you in the I.T. world I can hang with the best of them like a lot of others here.

In short, you will go nowhere fast here with an attitude.

When my kids go to bed I will try band post you a setup, but remember its only a suggestion.

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by SpeedTester

Some of us have been doing this hobby for a lot longer than you have been around. We have some great members here and should listen to their advice. We do have our fair share of beginners here also but you should be able to tell the two apart. If you must know I personally have 25+ years in the hobby/field, built over 350 custom machines, repaired & upgraded too many to remember. I do not have a college education but can tell you in the I.T. world I can hang with the best of them like a lot of others here.

In short, you will go nowhere fast here with an attitude.

When my kids go to bed I will try band post you a setup, but remember its only a suggestion.

no no, its fine, im not asking for you to take time out of your personal "life"

i was asking for opinions and facts, but people get mad when i dont do what they say

if you tell me mercedes is a good car, im still not going to buy it
if you give me facts on why mercedes is a good car, im still not going to buy it
if you give me your opinion and facts about why mercedes is a good car, i will consider it in my conclusion

edit- you might be right, i have an attitude, why? because people get mad and troll me because i dont take their opinions which arent facts and purchase things around them, tell you what
id rather spend 5,000 making a 500 computer and learning from my mistakes rather then sitting here waiting for days for someone to give me opinions and post 0 facts 0 links when ive read hundreds of websites, forums, and blogs

[Kenmitch]

Originally Posted by Macgruber

except i already bought a 400$ kit _______Snipped_______

So what did you wind up ordering?

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by Kenmitch

So what did you wind up ordering?

PM me if you do want to know

but im not going to post on here to get critiized by trolls who couldnt give facts but mere opinions.
i buy the worst stuff they say i should of saved my money went air cooling or thrown it away
i buy the most expensive stuff they say the cheapest stuff could of out performed it

[SpeedTester]

Originally Posted by MacDonalds

PM me if you do want to know

but im not going to post on here to get critiized by trolls who couldnt give facts but mere opinions.
i buy the worst stuff they say i should of saved my money went air cooling or thrown it away
i buy the most expensive stuff they say the cheapest stuff could of out performed it

Lol first your have your screen name changed then you edit all of your posts?

[VirtualLarry]

Originally Posted by SpeedTester

Lol first your have your screen name changed then you edit all of your posts?

Apparently, this forum is filled with time-wasting, non-college-educated posts.

[T_Yamamoto]

We give good advice and OP thinks we're retards. Awesome dude!