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11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
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What made GM feel shitty was their track record of using parts bin knobs on everything, from the lowest end POS to the best they made. And they had a habit of just putting random barnacles on the body. I know I'm ripping off a C&D from my high school days with those terms, but they fit (pun intended, nothing inside the GM from 1970-Bob Lutz fit)
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11-14-2012, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by phucheneh
80's GM's feel the same as 70's GM's to me. No one complains about the shitty interior on a 'classic'...I mean, you might love the look, but the materials, fitment, ect are all going to be generally worse than most any modern car.
Cardboard door panels with some carpet remnants and some poor quality vinyl. Maybe a metal strip or two. Awful plastic consoles and dash pieces. Cardboard glove boxes. Ect.
80's GM's, as least F-bodies and most full frame cars, are pretty solid. My firebird still felt like a big metal tank to me. Much the same as my previous 70's A-body, just with more grip.
The late 80's FWD on into a lot of the 90's is what is really awful GM. Starting to build things 'new school' but it took them a while to get remotely decent at it. Early 90's GM FWD....uggghhh...arguably set the bar for cheap, squeaky shittiness. But it was a competitive (in shittiness) market.
I dunno why the 'vette prices tank so much. I guess the relative 'exotic' nature next to other front engine, RWD candidates of the period probably shrinks the market...80's G and F bodies can be used like 60-70's muscle cars- it's just a simple, fairly sturdy rolling platform for whatever engine you wanna stick in it.
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 Because there's a freaking million of them on the market?
And the F bodies were not full frame, they were uni-body just like every other car produced in the 80s. What's really funny is driving an IROC Camaro convertible from the late 80s and you watch the door window glass separate from the top by an inch or more when you go over a speed bump at an angle.
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11-14-2012, 10:10 PM
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Yeah the 3rd gen chassis was a little bit on the flexy side. 4th gen is better but still a bit flexy at times. That's what subframe connectors are for however 
I wouldn't pay $9k for an 80s fbody. $9k could get me a nice 4th gen fbody (which I prefer anyway) or a slightly less nice one and a few bucks left over to mod with
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11-14-2012, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by apac
I agree, make a thread and put everything in one place. This is just spam.
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I agree, enough is enough. BTW that's WAY too much for a 1986 anything and if it's a "feedback" carb car instead of throttle body FI, don't even think about it.
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11-15-2012, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesMaximus
Because there's a freaking million of them on the market?
And the F bodies were not full frame, they were uni-body just like every other car produced in the 80s. What's really funny is driving an IROC Camaro convertible from the late 80s and you watch the door window glass separate from the top by an inch or more when you go over a speed bump at an angle. |
...a lot less than there are Camaros and Firebirds.
And I think I made fully apparent 'F-bodies plus full-frame cars (i.e. G's and similar).
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11-15-2012, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by phucheneh
...a lot less than there are Camaros and Firebirds.
And I think I made fully apparent 'F-bodies plus full-frame cars (i.e. G's and similar).
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I think it has to do with the fact their bodies are very durable, people stored them in the winter, and the engines are repairable. If you think about it, 80's Corvettes are one of the few cars from that era that you still see on the road in quantity.
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11-15-2012, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Fritzo
I think it has to do with the fact their bodies are very durable, people stored them in the winter, and the engines are repairable. If you think about it, 80's Corvettes are one of the few cars from that era that you still see on the road in quantity.
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Mostly because people don't drive them as much as your every day A to B car. My 07 has just 6,400 miles after 5 and 1/2 years.
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11-15-2012, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Throckmorton
It's not stupid and factless. It's worth keeping in mind that it's going to rattle and feel like garbage just like the other pieces of junk the GM beancounters built in the 80s and 90s.
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what car from the 80's ISNT going to rattle?
there are things those cars did well. I wouldnt call using cheap interior materials 'under engineered', I'd call it being cheap. which no one will argue with
the 305 is a POS as a performance motor generally, but it was reliable AFAIK
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11-15-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Zargon
what car from the 80's ISNT going to rattle?
there are things those cars did well. I wouldnt call using cheap interior materials 'under engineered', I'd call it being cheap. which no one will argue with
the 305 is a POS as a performance motor generally, but it was reliable AFAIK
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I had a 1986 Mustang GT Convertible exactly like this one (same color, 5 speed manual transmission). I bought it used a couple years old with around 30k miles on it and had it for many years. I don't recall it having any rattles. The top leaked a bit when it rained and the brakes sucked but overall it was a very good car. I have a lot of fond memories of that car.
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11-15-2012, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Fritzo
LOL- how do you take care of a digital dash? I think they were just known for fizzling out, leaving you with no gauges. You probably have a good one  |
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Originally Posted by JulesMaximus
No kidding. It either works or it doesn't. |
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Originally Posted by sjwaste
Uh dude, you gotta replace the oil...
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I could agree with you but then we would all be wrong! Anybody that knows anything about early C4's knows that 90% of the problems with the digital dash was usually caused by either a bad ground or solder board connection which can easily be fixed if you know a little bit about electronics.
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11-15-2012, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Vetterin
I could agree with you but then we would all be wrong! Anybody that knows anything about early C4's knows that 90% of the problems with the digital dash was usually caused by either a bad ground or solder board connection which can easily be fixed if you know a little bit about electronics.
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 So, how am I wrong? It either works or it doesn't.
The cause never came into question in my post  .
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11-15-2012, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JulesMaximus
I had a 1986 Mustang GT Convertible exactly like this one (same color, 5 speed manual transmission). I bought it used a couple years old with around 30k miles on it and had it for many years. I don't recall it having any rattles. The top leaked a bit when it rained and the brakes sucked but overall it was a very good car. I have a lot of fond memories of that car.
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I had that same car- it was the worst thing I ever owned. They made the valve covers and water pump out of aluminum, which had a different expansion rate than the metal on the engine block, meaning you couldn't keep gaskets on the damn thing. The brakes were awful, as you mentioned, but the rear brakes especially would tend to lock up when they got dirty. The dash cracked, the 5 speed missed a lot, and the impossible to fix vacuum system tended to go out, making the car do a bunch of weird idling tricks.
Ugh...still mad at that thing
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11-15-2012, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritzo
I had that same car- it was the worst thing I ever owned. They made the valve covers and water pump out of aluminum, which had a different expansion rate than the metal on the engine block, meaning you couldn't keep gaskets on the damn thing. The brakes were awful, as you mentioned, but the rear brakes especially would tend to lock up when they got dirty. The dash cracked, the 5 speed missed a lot, and the impossible to fix vacuum system tended to go out, making the car do a bunch of weird idling tricks.
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I never had any trouble with the gaskets. Water pumps were notorious for failing at around 85,000 miles and I replaced mine at around that point. And I defy you to show me a car made in the 80s that the dash didn't crack on. 
Never had any vacuum problems with mine but I kept it pretty much stock.
Shifter was kind of notchy and vague but a short throw shifter would cure some of that.
I lived in Los Angeles when I owned it so top down driving was something I did a lot of and it was great for that. I drove it out to Vegas and Palm Springs a few times and driving along the coast or in the the hills of Hollywood was always fun.
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