Biden hints at Obama executive order (concerning guns)

[corwin]

Originally Posted by Ausm

Interesting data on Executive order abuse.

Hmm...orders per day != abuse

Let's see what those orders were before we determine whether they were abuse or not

[Ausm]

Originally Posted by corwin

Hmm...orders per day != abuse

Let's see what those orders were before we determine whether they were abuse or not

Posted because of this and others commentary on this forum.

[corwin]

Originally Posted by Ausm

Posted because of this and others commentary on this forum.

Not saying I agree with what is being said but quantity of orders still != how abusive they are...one really abusive one would mean much more than 100 non-abusive ones

As with most things quality means more than quantity

[sandorski]

True Fact: Before Obama we lived in a Utopia where the streets were paved with gold, the rivers flowed with honey, and people loved their neighbours so much that saying, "Good night" was the worst part of the day.

This can not be denied.

[etrigan420]

Originally Posted by sandorski

True Fact: Before Obama we lived in a Utopia where the streets were paved with gold, the rivers flowed with honey, and people loved their neighbours so much that saying, "Good night" was the worst part of the day.

This can not be denied.

The beer flowed like wine and beautiful women instinctively flocked like the salmon of Capistrano.

If the President signed an Executive Order that overstepped his authority, I would expect Congress or the SCOTUS to reign him in, not make stupid sound bytes about him being "An existential threat to this nation" (Whatever *that* is...)

[jackstar7]

Originally Posted by HumblePie

Um, it's not a new thing. Many states have allowed it for a very long time. And they don't have problems with teachers going postal in a classroom who are lawfully carrying a concealed weapon in school.

Doesn't change the part where all this shit is heaped on teachers and yet apparently the self-same shit-heapers are ready to trust these teachers (whom they loathe as part of the liberal indoctrination establishment) with loaded guns in the classrooms.

Still not seeing the disconnect there?

[Incorruptible]

Originally Posted by Ausm

Posted because of this and others commentary on this forum.

The POS should still not be doing this though, He is not a king.

Interesting how the left always likes to compare him to other presidents, Other presidents killed children so according to lefty logic its alright if obama does it

[sigurros81]

Originally Posted by Incorruptible

The POS should still not be doing this though, He is not a king.

Interesting how the left always likes to compare him to other presidents, Other presidents killed children so according to lefty logic its alright if obama does it

Yes, interesting how intelligent people use historical facts to dismantle your idiotic rants.

[HumblePie]

Originally Posted by jackstar7

Doesn't change the part where all this shit is heaped on teachers and yet apparently the self-same shit-heapers are ready to trust these teachers (whom they loathe as part of the liberal indoctrination establishment) with loaded guns in the classrooms.

Still not seeing the disconnect there?

Umm... you are looney. Some teachers have it hard and many do not. Myth 101 about teachers. Many teachers I know are well paid, have far more vacation and free time than I do, and work in stress free environments. Sure there are some exceptions to that, but it's the vast majority. Most teachers I know work of a lesson plan already given to them as that is what they have to do. They use aids to grade papers, and basically don't do much work outside the classroom at all besides a PTA meeting from time to time.

So why wouldn't I trust a teacher to responsibly carry a gun in a classroom?

[Incorruptible]

Originally Posted by sandorski

True Fact: Before Obama we lived in a Utopia where the streets were paved with gold, the rivers flowed with honey, and people loved their neighbours so much that saying, "Good night" was the worst part of the day.

This can not be denied.

We had more freedom before obama came here, once he came we lost some of our freedom

[Cerb]

Originally Posted by HumblePie

Umm... you are looney. Some teachers have it hard and many do not. Myth 101 about teachers. Many teachers I know are well paid, have far more vacation and free time than I do, and work in stress free environments. Sure there are some exceptions to that, but it's the vast majority. Most teachers I know work of a lesson plan already given to them as that is what they have to do. They use aids to grade papers, and basically don't do much work outside the classroom at all besides a PTA meeting from time to time.

So why wouldn't I trust a teacher to responsibly carry a gun in a classroom?

Fnord A classroom is not a place that one can responsibly carry.

[irishScott]

Originally Posted by Cerb

Fnord A classroom is not a place that one can responsibly carry.

Is that a fact? So you're saying I couldn't walk into a classroom with my P238 in my pocket without shooting a kid? That I couldn't spend any extended time there without shooting a kid? Because if that's what you're saying, I'd say you're full of shit.

[Cerb]

Originally Posted by irishScott

Is that a fact? So you're saying I couldn't walk into a classroom with my P238 in my pocket without shooting a kid? That I couldn't spend any extended time there without shooting a kid? Because if that's what you're saying, I'd say you're full of shit.

Fnord Or, the child might find it and accidentally discharge it, or they may just feel afraid of their teacher, if it ever prints.

Fnord Guns simply do not belong in schools, the classrooms especially, except by campus police officers.

[irishScott]

Originally Posted by Cerb

Fnord Or, the child might find it and accidentally discharge it, or they may just feel afraid of their teacher, if it ever prints.

Fnord Guns simply do not belong in schools, the classrooms especially, except by campus police officers.

That's where proper training comes into play. I would never take my gun out (loaded) and leave it anywhere near a child, would be akin to leaving a kid in the driver's seat with the keys in the ignition. I don't think it should be mandatory for teachers to carry, but those willing to accept the responsibility and take appropriate training should be allowed.

I can guarantee that anyone with an IQ above 85 can pass the weapons training those "campus security officers" go through.

[Cerb]

Originally Posted by cristela

I would suggest buying more guns, at inflated prices, in response to this news.
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Also ammo. By what I've seen, .22 LR is the only common round you can be guaranteed to find, and not be gouged much on. Good times to be using .32 or .357 Sig?

[TerryMathews]

Originally Posted by Ausm

Posted because of this and others commentary on this forum.

Quantity does not equal quality. You can be a power grabber with only one executive order.

The two I have the biggest issue with are labeling veterans mentally defective if they receive VA financial assistance and circumventing our immigration policy.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by irishScott

Is that a fact? So you're saying I couldn't walk into a classroom with my P238 in my pocket without shooting a kid? That I couldn't spend any extended time there without shooting a kid? Because if that's what you're saying, I'd say you're full of shit.

People have a right to send their kids to school without the fear that random people are in the school carrying weapons.

Nobody should be anywhere near a school with a gun unless they've had the highest level of training and scrutiny possible. And I mean FBI, highway patrol, type training and psychological screening and monitoring.

[spidey07]

Originally Posted by Tom

People have a right to send their kids to school without the fear that random people are in the school carrying weapons.

Nobody should be anywhere near a school with a gun unless they've had the highest level of training and scrutiny possible. And I mean FBI, highway patrol, type training and psychological screening and monitoring.

Well there you have it! If we just make it illegal to be in a school with a gun then nobody will ever be in a school with a gun.

oh....wait...

[corwin]

Originally Posted by Tom

People have a right to send their kids to school without the fear that random people are in the school carrying weapons.

Nobody should be anywhere near a school with a gun unless they've had the highest level of training and scrutiny possible. And I mean FBI, highway patrol, type training and psychological screening and monitoring.

Teachers aren't "random" people...Lanza was a "random" person, sure as hell wasn't anything there to stop him though. And do you really think FBI/HiPo have really high level screening and monitoring? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....