Discussion Thread Re: 8/3 No Insults Rule Amendment

[monovillage]

Originally Posted by WHAMPOM

AH! A perfect example of a toxic post! Being purposefully dense in misstating the point of another's post and a sarcastic backhanded compliment!

By Moonie:There is no way to objectively identify what toxic is because we all have different body chemistries. To the right everything on the left is toxic and visa versa. Both are brain dead in the other's eyes. Every point anybody can make can be countered by an opposite opinion. And if you tell this to the left or the right they will deny it. Only the other side is insane. The number of objective people like myself is exceedingly small.

Yeah right, Whampon. My post is a perfect example of a "toxic" post. Maybe if my "body chemistrie" was different it would be a nutritious post.
And frankly I do like the Moonie even though we disagree.

[Whiskey16]

A repost from a current thread, but I felt it best to be brought up here for wider membership to be made aware of, as this forum has a serious problem:

Originally Posted by Nebor

But like I said, those of us with more than an academic knowledge of you and your kind wouldn't mind if you filmed us while we put your entire extended family in one mass grave, because we know eventually it'll be you or us. We either fight now, alongside Israel, or wait until you convince enough idiots to let you gain the upper hand.

The above is for the context of the previous post's affirmation:

Originally Posted by Nebor

You say "us all" in an attempt to conceal yourself amongst others (a classic muslim\terrorist tactic.) You're the only one advocating for your viewpoints here, and what I said was directed at you, your family, and those like you.

I do not appreciate your repetition of death threats against myself, my family and against anyone who presents a political viewpoint that you concisely reaffirm warrants a replying and direct threat for critical violence upon.

What you have done is a crime in multiple jurisdictions and certainly an offence to your military code of conduct. Anonymity may not be what you hope it to be.

You have again been reported to moderation. For the sake of this forum and the majority of members with civil decency, we should expect more severe consequences against you than your previous, but brief, banishment.

You have already had consequences, but you have chose to reaffirm your violent ways. There must be zero tolerance.

Death threats go far beyond a bit of name calling, trolling, or other all too common forum disruptions.

[Don Vito Corleone]

Just as an observation, it feels to me as though the quality of discussion on these forums, and the tolerance of overtly bigoted and anti-female posts, is worse than it has ever been. Obviously there has always been a lot of ugly talk here from time to time, but at this point it seems so firmly entrenched that there is little point in trying to have an intelligent discussion. It makes the early days here (2003-04) seem quaintly civilized. This place is really sinking under the weight of the collective ignorance, uncivility and anger of its membership.

[Bowfinger]

Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone

Just as an observation, it feels to me as though the quality of discussion on these forums, and the tolerance of overtly bigoted and anti-female posts, is worse than it has ever been. Obviously there has always been a lot of ugly talk here from time to time, but at this point it seems so firmly entrenched that there is little point in trying to have an intelligent discussion. It makes the early days here (2003-04) seem quaintly civilized. This place is really sinking under the weight of the collective ignorance, uncivility and anger of its membership.

I agree. It's always been a challenge to sustain intelligent, productive discussions here, but lately it seems there's little point in even making the attempt. Even topics that should be non-partisan are quickly buried in pointless vitriol and off-topic noise (almost always including several of the usual "gems" from P&N's full-time misogynist, followed by the same fruitless retorts of people calling him on it, followed by denials ... and soon yet another thread is hopelessly trashed).

[Infohawk]

Seems like there are fewer and fewer posts by quality posters and more and more by garbage posters.

[jackstar7]

I'd accept paying a small fee, like $5/yr, in order to participate in a politics subforum that is more strongly moderated to weed out as many of the crap posters as possible. I'd also happily sponsor several posters regardless of their ideology, simply on the basis of the value they bring to discussions.

[Charles Kozierok]

Originally Posted by Infohawk

Seems like there are fewer and fewer posts by quality posters and more and more by garbage posters.

I don't know which category I fall into, but I'm basically not posting in P&N any more.

I've tried to motivate the folks that run AT into making positive changes, and I've tried to set a good example in the past to the best of my ability, and it's all been for naught. Just isn't worth wading through the garbage any more.

[cybrsage]

Originally Posted by CharlesKozierok

I don't know which category I fall into, but I'm basically not posting in P&N any more.

To which we are all thankful.

I've tried to motivate the folks that run AT into making positive changes, and I've tried to set a good example in the past to the best of my ability...

Either you are a liar or the best of your ability is horrific.

The above is a crude, unwarranted personal attack and trolling in a mod generated discussion thread. You have been warned that you are on the shortest of leashes. You have been specifically warned that you are no the vacation escalator out of here. You have failed to understand the gravity of your situation. Take two months off to digest the message that your next violation of any severity could mean your permaban here.

Perknose
Forum Director

[shira]

Originally Posted by CharlesKozierok

I don't know which category I fall into, but I'm basically not posting in P&N any more.

I've tried to motivate the folks that run AT into making positive changes, and I've tried to set a good example in the past to the best of my ability, and it's all been for naught. Just isn't worth wading through the garbage any more.

I know how you feel. I don't think I'll ever swear off posting on P&N completely, but I've certainly cut back a lot. It's simply too frustrating dealing with the hordes of posters who have absolutely no commitment to honest debate.

[Charles Kozierok]

Originally Posted by shira

I know how you feel. I don't think I'll ever swear off posting on P&N completely, but I've certainly cut back a lot. It's simply too frustrating dealing with the hordes of posters who have absolutely no commitment to honest debate.

Well, it's been ever-so-slightly better over the last week or so, but still most people here seem more interested in trying to "win points" than debate honestly.

PS LOL @ cybrsage. Hope that was worth it, because I didn't even see it until now, and I just find it funny. Banned for two months, back for two days, and now gone for another two months. Man, the admins here may be frustrating in their unwillingness to fix the rules issue in P&N, but they sure do have the patience of Job when it comes to bad behavior.

[piasabird]

So is it alright to call all republicans ignorant if you dont believe in their point of view? Tell the gobal warning people you will ban them all. It is only an insult if you insult a liberal. This is how I see this being played out. So it is alright for liberals to call Christians bad names?

[TerryMathews]

Originally Posted by piasabird

So is it alright to call all republicans ignorant if you dont believe in their point of view? Tell the gobal warning people you will ban them all. It is only an insult if you insult a liberal. This is how I see this being played out. So it is alright for liberals to call Christians bad names?

Obviously, because science!

[MomentsofSanity]

Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone

Just as an observation, it feels to me as though the quality of discussion on these forums, and the tolerance of overtly bigoted and anti-female posts, is worse than it has ever been. Obviously there has always been a lot of ugly talk here from time to time, but at this point it seems so firmly entrenched that there is little point in trying to have an intelligent discussion. It makes the early days here (2003-04) seem quaintly civilized. This place is really sinking under the weight of the collective ignorance, uncivility and anger of its membership.

Haven't peeked in this thread for awhile but I wholeheartedly agree with on this. It's sad that as soon as a conversation mentions certain keywords that you know without question who will jump in and what disgusting comments they will have to say... And it never fails. Be it race, religion or gender there are a select few who spew the same nonsense time and time again.

[alzan]

I've tried to keep my insults to a bare minimum but I too have given into temptation on a few occasions. I strive to be more vigilant in looking past/ignoring the inane and insulting posts because the truly informative and educated posts, as few and far between as they are sometimes, are worth the sometimes endless scrolling.

[Charles Kozierok]

This is what passes for intelligent discussion around here these days.

Can we have some change? Please?

[Charles Kozierok]

Originally Posted by dank69

Heh at least wait for the hard feelings to subside.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2293564

[BrightCandle]

The problem with this amendment is the impact outside of p&n. The personal insults are being used by some people elsewhere. While its impact on p&n might not be all that severe its impact on the attitude brought to more technical discussions is problematic.

For example the amount of AMD v Nvidia name calling make it sounds like these two companies are political parties and that the allegiances are entirely based on that. It isn't and hasn't been true but I believe this rule change has made this element much worse and to the detriment of decent technical discussion.

I would like to see some swift penalties for this rules usage outside of p&n but I fear until its revoked we won't see a reduction in the problems elsewhere. P&N is setting the tone and quality bar in discussion and that is not healthy.

[Charles Kozierok]

BrightCandle: The thread is five months old. Unfortunately, there really aren't any consistent rules at all in here any more. The place has been basically abandoned by the moderation team, except for one or two who occasionally step in to deal with issues here and there.

[dank69]

AFAIK the rules for social forums are quite different from the technical forums. Pretty sure no insults are allowed at all in the tech forums, so not sure why you would think the rules here would affect the tech forums.

[BrightCandle]

Originally Posted by dank69

AFAIK the rules for social forums are quite different from the technical forums. Pretty sure no insults are allowed at all in the tech forums, so not sure why you would think the rules here would affect the tech forums.

Because since this rule was changed the amount of personal insults has risen sharply. The forum has descended into republican verses democrat (AMD v Nvidia). The signal to noise ratio is getting to be as bad as p&n. I don't mind the quality of discussion on p&n being poor, this is a tech site not a politics one, but I am seeing increasing evidence the mentality has spilled over and is impacting the technical talk. Threads are getting derailed by political (company love) statements rapidly now just like p&n.

[jackstar7]

Originally Posted by BrightCandle

Because since this rule was changed the amount of personal insults has risen sharply. The forum has descended into republican verses democrat (AMD v Nvidia). The signal to noise ratio is getting to be as bad as p&n. I don't mind the quality of discussion on p&n being poor, this is a tech site not a politics one, but I am seeing increasing evidence the mentality has spilled over and is impacting the technical talk. Threads are getting derailed by political (company love) statements rapidly now just like p&n.

You just need to use the report button for those. The mods for P&N are generally apart from those in the tech forums, so just make sure to always report those kinds of posts.

Mods will step in when they're alerted and the more their comments show up, and the more people handed vacations will turn the tech stuff back around.