I am ready to be taught everything you all know about overclocking

[Macgruber]

http://us.msi.com/file/test_report/TR10_2533.pdf

seems the ram i bought isnt supported by my mobo and the version of the 1600 claims it supports a 1600OC

the trident x i bought isnt on there either but is on the 1866OC and at least the gskill website claims its fully functional with the msi z77a-g45

now i can only hope this ram i bought will be a huge upgrade from what i had lol
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231628

to be honest i feel anything will be an upgrade from the corsair vengeance, an overpriced memory with low performance -_-
edit- im also keeping in mind the manual says tested on 2.6 bios and theyve updated bios to 2.9 in which some updates had issues with "memory" , i can only hope this was 140$ well spent, im not sure how newegg handles returns? LOL

[dqniel]

Wow, it appears memory has seriously gone up in price. I got my Samsung 1.35v 2x4GB kit for $37.50 in just October. $125 for memory would be a tough pill for me to swallow. I'm out of touch with RAM prices, apparently.

[Kenmitch]

Originally Posted by dqniel

Wow, it appears memory has seriously gone up in price. I got my Samsung 1.35v 2x4GB kit for $37.50 in just October. $125 for memory would be a tough pill for me to swallow. I'm out of touch with RAM prices, apparently.

I got the same kit for as you for $35 in December. Currently testing it at 1866MHz @ 1.32v's

8gb modules cost more than double a 2x4gb kit for the most part. Once you go for a lower cas latency you only add to the price premium.

I remember paying $199 for a 1gb kit back around 2006 or so.

We get off easy these days on computer component pricing....Kinda like reverse inflation

[dma0991]

Originally Posted by Macgruber

i can only hope this was 140$ well spent, im not sure how newegg handles returns? LOL

It won't be well spent. Undoubtedly the G.Skill kits are superior to mine but when price is factored in, its value drops substantially. The Samsung's that I have right now cost about $70-80 for 2 kits and it isn't listed in the RAM compatibility list. It works better and runs at its native speed without tweaking. The Kingston HyperX that I've used a while back doesn't even run at its native 1600MHz speed on my board without XMP profile.

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by dma0991

It won't be well spent. Undoubtedly the G.Skill kits are superior to mine but when price is factored in, its value drops substantially. The Samsung's that I have right now cost about $70-80 for 2 kits and it isn't listed in the RAM compatibility list. It works better and runs at its native speed without tweaking. The Kingston HyperX that I've used a while back doesn't even run at its native 1600MHz speed on my board without XMP profile.

have you ever used a ripjaws or trident x before though? g.skill type of memory is outperformed by samsungs memory?
off the bat all i noticed was the Trident X had a cas7 and samsung had cas11
Timing 7-8-8-24
• Cas Latency 7
• Voltage 1.5V
trident x

Timing 11-11-11-28
• Cas Latency 11
• Voltage 1.35V
samsung

the voltage seems way better since lower, but to be honest i payed 75 for a 8gb 2x4 kit at the store so im happy spending 130$ for a 2x8 16gb kit that has better default timings, im only hoping this memory craps on my corsair vengeance

maybe one day ill try that samsung, just makes me wonder why its so cheap, its out of stock, but then again i cant say anything untill i tried it

[dqniel]

The low voltage Samsung kit is grossly underspecced. I've seen people run it as high as 2800Mhz. Personally, I run mine at 8-8-8 1.35v... I got it mainly because I wanted the ultra-low profile. In the grand scheme of things, the memory speed and latency matters so little unless you're using integrated graphics or are into synthetic benches. The money is better spent on other things.

[Vectronic]

More generic RAM will almost always run better than high-performance RAM.

Like dqniel said, the Samsung stuff has been proven, it's high-latency, but it's also low voltage, you could overclock/undertime it quite a bit... Trident X is low-latency but high-voltage... which means it's already overclocked, it's basically at it's limit already... your paying that extra $30 for something that takes 30 seconds to change in your BIOS with RAM that is half the price.

That's the whole idea of overclocking really, you buy lower-end stuff, and make it surpass the high-end stuff... if you buy the high-end stuff, you have nowhere to go but down.

There are exceptions, ie: the "real" high-end stuff... but most mainstream "high-performance" RAM is just the same RAM they sell at a lower clock/timings, pre-overclocked... their 1600 is OC'd 1333... they're 1866 is the same as their 1600.

Because it's already overclocked, it may not work well in a low-end board, and might only run at it's *actual* speed, the one it was engineered for... 1600 dropped back to 1333... 1866 dropping back to 1600...etc.

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by Vectronic

More generic RAM will almost always run better than high-performance RAM.

Like dqniel said, the Samsung stuff has been proven, it's high-latency, but it's also low voltage, you could overclock/undertime it quite a bit... Trident X is low-latency but high-voltage... which means it's already overclocked, it's basically at it's limit already... your paying that extra $30 for something that takes 30 seconds to change in your BIOS with RAM that is half the price.

That's the whole idea of overclocking really, you buy lower-end stuff, and make it surpass the high-end stuff... if you buy the high-end stuff, you have nowhere to go but down.

There are exceptions, ie: the "real" high-end stuff... but most mainstream "high-performance" RAM is just the same RAM they sell at a lower clock/timings, pre-overclocked... their 1600 is OC'd 1333... they're 1866 is the same as their 1600.

Because it's already overclocked, it may not work well in a low-end board, and might only run at it's *actual* speed, the one it was engineered for... 1600 dropped back to 1333... 1866 dropping back to 1600...etc.

damnit i might just have to return this crap, but you know what i will still get it, open and it use it to find out

i cant see such a low end ram outperforming such a advertised ram it just boggles me,

[Macgruber]

im not sure what to do.... buy low end ram and OC it? or buy regular good ram and run it stock speeds

i really dont know what to do, so is it possible to make that samsung hit cas 9

can http://redirect.anandtech.com/r?url=...user=u00000687 overclock to beat the trident speeds?

Timing 7-8-8-24
• Cas Latency 7
• Voltage 1.5V
Trident X

Timing 9-9-9-24
• Cas Latency 9
• Voltage 1.35V
Crucial

Timing 11-11-11-28
• Cas Latency 11
• Voltage 1.35V
Samsung

wish samsung had a 2x8gb kit :/

can either of the samsung or crucial OC to beat the gskill @ its timings?

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electr...amsung+pc12800
i'd still have to buy 4x4gb's which would be using 4 slots instead of 2 and it would come out to 120$ vs 130$ that i spent :/


im going to get off the pc for a bit, thanks for the help guys, i dont know if i want to cancel my order seeing as it might have already shipped. yes i chose rush processing .... ive read a few forums nad im seeing for people to hit speeds similar to the Trident X i bought they are using 1.65v which makes me wonder if buying cheap ram to oc is even worth it

all opinions help me, please post any links or solid oc sites/facts that might completely change my mind

[john3850]

I had 3 sticks of Gskill pi1600-7-7-7-24 for 18 months but I wanted more memory.
So I added 3 sticks of sniper or cheaper 1600 at 9-9-9-24 and I never noticed a difference in speed.

[Macgruber]

Originally Posted by john3850

I had 3 sticks of Gskill pi1600-7-7-7-24 for 18 months but I wanted more memory.
So I added 3 sticks of sniper or cheaper 1600 at 9-9-9-24 and I never noticed a difference in speed.

everyone popped up after i made the buy but when im ready to call to cancel the order my fellow saviors are gone


im reading alot about the crucial ballstix and tbh isnt me OCing the ballistix to 1.65v to beat the g.skill trident x worse than me ocing the trident x to 1.65v and getting even more amasing rates?

i have a feeling i should OC ballistix, but i dont want to barely beat the STOCK gskill speed and use more VOLTAGE to save $50 :/

[Vectronic]

Here's a "review" of the pre-OC'd (2133) version of my memory, Vs. Trident X pre-OC'd @ 2400 Vs. Corsair which seems to be "stock".

Basically I paid a little over half of what you did, for RAM that will perform equal if not better... I bought the 1600 which is the lowest in that line... but it's the same RAM as the 1866 and 2133 they sell... which means, I can not only reach 2133 with my 1600, I can even surpass it to 2200... for half the price.

I'm not suggesting you go with Patriot, what I'm suggesting is a little bit of homework... pick a manufacturer... look at their product lines, find a range/model of memory... buy the lowest one of the line, you'll still get the speeds of the highest of the same line with a couple mouse clicks.

Overclocking memory is easy... if you buy the low-end from a range, then you already have your "results"... install it, set it to the settings of the high-end.

Mine is: 1600, 9/9/9/24/2 1.5v ($39)
The OC'd: 2133, 11/11/11/27/2 1.5v ($59)

I'm saving $20... or 35%... for the same RAM, and it takes 30 seconds to configure, my 1600 will do 2133 11/11/11/27/2... still at 1.5v.

Is there a performance increase at 2133?... nope, maybe 1 second faster over a heavy memory operation that lasts 90 seconds... so that's even less of a reason to pay the extra $20.

If you want to pay for it, which you already did... go for it, most people on these or most forums wouldn't... maybe it's worth it to you.

[Macgruber]

whats the cas latency you reach on the oc? im obviously noob at OCing ram let alone cpu you allowed my cpu to get superboosted to the max

im aware of your pointing out it CAN reach the tridents stock speeds. however the tridents stock speeds are faster than the oc speeds and the trident can reach OC which ballistix cant? am i correct or did i read too much wrong >_<

at 1.5v your memory shouldnt outperform the trident i bought it seems and the trident will be doing 1.5v stock 7-8-8-24 cas latency 7


i swear i appreciate all the help, but it seems when you buy something everyone wants to drown you in negativity as if you bought something bad

Edit- the negativity isnt about you btw bro sorry if i made it seem that way, youre probably the #1 person who has pointed me to facts, statistics and solid knowledge here on this forum, its just i made a thread in memory, and noone posted for a day and when i posted that i bought something , below the trolls come out of the cave talking about i bought trash and i could of bought some cheap low end crap and make it outperform what i bought (in which it cant) it can OC to similar but not better

[Vectronic]

It's right in the settings, CAS is the first number of X/x/x/xx/x

Yours will "out-perform" mine, the point is once you get to a certain speed, speed no longer matters. So you're wasting money.

There's also more than the CAS/tRCD/tRP/tRAS/CMD to consider... there's more than just those timings, lots more... you can have two sticks of RAM, both at 2000 lets say, one with 10/10/10/30/2... one with 8/8/8/20/2... the with with 10's *could* still out-perform the one with 8's because of other timings.

[Macgruber]

you are right, i guess i payed a bit more for a name brand, "high ratings", a heatsink and expectancy to perform

i wouldnt down myself though because i know i didnt buy trash as some other people said and i know i didnt want to OC ram. last thing i want to do is OC ram, pass the void warranty, have my ram fail, and have no RMA because 1 i dont know how to OC 2 i really dont know how to OC ram

spent 1000$ on my pc and its basically being a guinea pig which i hope lasts years

[john3850]

When the c2d 6600 was released most people used ballistix at 2.1v.
It was good fast oc memory but no one knew it had short lifespan at the time.
I had to rma that stuff over 12x even at 1.8v it still had a short lifetime.
After the ballistix I switched to gskill but I believe gskill is binned and wont oc much over their specs.
When I built my x58 I used gskill Pi 3x2 for $180 and it would only run at spec speed.
Now I stole 2 sticks from my 2500k for the ib so I also need memory.

[peonyu]

This is a long shot, but if you have any external USB drives connected it can cause a cold boot believe it or not [atleast on the z68 board I have]. I had a similar issue as you for a long time and never figured it out until I heard a very quiet beeping noise coming from my WD passport HD, upon unplugging it the problem went away. I still use the drive since it seems fine other than the periodic refusal to power on...But they can cause a cold boot.

[Macgruber]

im hoping the new memory fixes my cold boot permanently, i will be so happy with a decent OC that i can still tweak, and good fast memory

(im trying to stay away from memory that you can OC because even if I OC that memory to the gskill i bought it wont outperform the gskill stock speed at the OC'd speed.. i really dont want to OC the ram to be honest so i tried to buy the best ram i saw fit )

no external drives or anything , just looks like my mobo can handle 1866OC but doesnt look like the ram i bought in store was on the supported list and its 1866 out the box not OC'd so i guess i had double trouble, it WORKS fine... but i have cold boot xD!

[dqniel]

Honestly, I'd get something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148663

Cheapish, decent latencies, low voltage, and low profile. I bet you won't notice a difference in performance regardless of what you get. You just want something that works, and works consistently.