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Old 02-24-2013, 02:54 PM   #76
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Depends on the image quality, resolution and game. I have an i5 and I can make Metro 2033 bottleneck it with a HD7770 if I lower the resolution enough. In some CPU intensive games, like Starcraft 2, Skyrim, some MMOs I would think the 5800K could be a bottleneck.
I have clearly said "in the majority of game", of course there are exceptions.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:03 PM   #77
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Depends on the image quality, resolution and game. I have an i5 and I can make Metro 2033 bottleneck it with a HD7770 if I lower the resolution enough. In some CPU intensive games, like Starcraft 2, Skyrim, some MMOs I would think the 5800K could be a bottleneck.
This. Atenra still cannot understand that it isn't about maxing out all graphics with complete disregard for framerate. You can ALWAYS adjust GPU workload to achieve a certain amount of fps, be it 10, 30, 60 or 200. But when it comes to CPU workload, you can do that much less often and/or to a lesser extent. That is the problem. When your CPU doesn't give you the fps you want, there often is nothing or not much you can do about it.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:43 PM   #78
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This. Atenra still cannot understand that it isn't about maxing out all graphics with complete disregard for framerate.
Your words not mine,

The A10-5800K will not bottleneck the HD6870. You will be able to lower the GPU settings until you get dissent frame-rates before you will become CPU limited. You can always become CPU limited if you keep lowering the Image Quality settings and lowering the resolution but then you will never game at that settings so it is irrelevant.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:17 PM   #79
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This. Atenra still cannot understand that it isn't about maxing out all graphics with complete disregard for framerate.
He understands it. He's just the Holy Defender of AMD.

He must truly believe if he keeps posting the same mis-information over and over it will become true. Just count how many times he posts the same thing, in practically every freaking thread. One of two things will happen next -
1. He posts benchmarks from some little known and questionable web site - maybe even his own blog.
2. He changes the subject, and starts talking price or die size or some other metric that has nothing to do with game performance.

All you can do is make sure the mis-information doesn't have the effect of having somebody make a questionable purchase decision.

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Old 02-24-2013, 05:00 PM   #80
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Man i'm getting tired of financial speculators, analysts and stock market technology shorters that plague this forums, they have ruined the place.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:02 PM   #81
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Man i'm getting tired of financial speculators, analysts and stock market technology shorters that plague this forums, they have ruined the place.
? I don't see any discussion of this type in this thread ?

Oh wait, I get it, it's the tag team hand-off

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Old 02-24-2013, 07:30 PM   #82
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? I don't see any discussion of this type in this thread ?

Oh wait, I get it, it's the tag team hand-off
Lmfao :-)
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:22 PM   #83
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Man i'm getting tired of financial speculators, analysts and stock market technology shorters that plague this forums, they have ruined the place.
Talk about baseless accusations -- that takes the cake.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:58 PM   #84
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Man i'm getting tired of financial speculators, analysts and stock market technology shorters that plague this forums, they have ruined the place.
Stock market analysts don't care about CPUs. I doubt they even know what the AMD vs. Intel rivalry is. What they do know, is that Intel's stock price has not eclipsed $30 per share since 2003, which is laughable performance. Intel is a shitty investment, and any professional investor can tell that. GET THAT INTO YOUR HEAD.

Also, the scale of users on internet forums is far too small to have any effect on stock performance. Hence, these people would be wasting their time.
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:45 AM   #85
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if he keeps posting the same mis-information over and over it will become true.
The only one spreading FUD and mis-information here is you and you alone. Im beginning to believe that either you have a hidden agenda or you dont game and you have no glue of what you talking.

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All you can do is make sure the mis-information doesn't have the effect of having somebody make a questionable purchase decision.
From now on we can call you the holly Crusader helping pilgrims from making the fatal mistake of buying an AMD CPU.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:02 PM   #86
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From now on we can call you the holly Crusader helping pilgrims from making the fatal mistake of buying an AMD CPU.
And yet futher up in the thread I said superpi wasn't an adequate benchmark for selecting a CPU. If I am on some type of crusade against AMD I would have not argued against that benchmark because it greatly favors Intel - It's a corner case for Intel performance.

I believe in selecting the best tool for the job. In gaming using an AMD CPU is like using a pair of pliers to remove a bolt, while using an Intel CPU is like using a socket wrench. Sure the pliers will work, but they are far from optimal and anybody would be far better served with a socket wrench.

P.S. In the past year I've built just as many AMD systems as Intel. A year and half ago I even bought a AMD laptop for my daughter. Again, best tool for the job. Although admittedly I've only built AMD under extreme budget constraints.

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The only one spreading FUD and mis-information here is you and you alone. Im beginning to believe that either you have a hidden agenda or you dont game and you have no glue of what you talking.
I'm not going to bother posting Techreport's AMD vs Intel gaming results anymore, you don't bother reading them.

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Old 02-25-2013, 08:28 PM   #87
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Might be a bit random, but this thread sure started up some commotion...
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:36 PM   #88
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I just dont see why using the A10-5800K paired with a higher-end discrete GPU is not a combination to recommend. It may not be the best price/performance product for the job but for people that dont OC is the highest performance Trinity product.
good point, you can buy a10-5800K as a start(as i did), and later decide that you want play more demanding games, for now i am happy with my apu, in a year or so i will upgrade new gpu, now can you see the logic?

for 300$ pc i can run gta4 with playfull+ settings, intel user can only dream pay 300$ and play gta4.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:37 AM   #89
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good point, you can buy a10-5800K as a start(as i did), and later decide that you want play more demanding games, for now i am happy with my apu, in a year or so i will upgrade new gpu, now can you see the logic?

for 300$ pc i can run gta4 with playfull+ settings, intel user can only dream pay 300$ and play gta4.
I can see the "logic", but I dont necessarily agree with it. An APU is just too limited in the desktop where it is so easy to add a discrete card. And it is not really anti AMD or pro intel. To me an fx6300 or i3 plus HD7770 or even 7750 makes more sense and will allow one to play a lot more games at decent settings and resolutions. Then you could be enjoying better performance from the start instead of struggling and finally spending the money for a discrete card anyway.
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I'm not going to bother posting Techreport's AMD vs Intel gaming results anymore, you don't bother reading them.
By all means, if you have results with A10-5800K paired with HD6870 at 1080p link them here.
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I can see the "logic", but I dont necessarily agree with it. An APU is just too limited in the desktop where it is so easy to add a discrete card. And it is not really anti AMD or pro intel. To me an fx6300 or i3 plus HD7770 or even 7750 makes more sense and will allow one to play a lot more games at decent settings and resolutions. Then you could be enjoying better performance from the start instead of struggling and finally spending the money for a discrete card anyway.
1)well, I don't feel limited in any way, and I use my computer for programing projects(not to havy projects).
2)i3 is not any better then a10-5800kk, in any practical way.
4)you are forgetting that "i3 plus HD7770 or even 7750"+ decent mobo for intel(like mine f2a850m) will end up in much more then just 300$.
4)"finally spending the money for a discrete card anyway" and now you are forgetting 2 things.
a)in a year or so the gpu I will buy, for the very same money will be way better.
b)I have a principle, not to spend more money then I need today, and buy exactly the pc I need. I think it is a good principle.
If I wanted to play games in higher settings, I would have bought i5+ some GPU.

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Old 02-26-2013, 05:45 AM   #92
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This is an amazing CPU for slim HTPC and light gaming machines. Intel has nothing to compete. Nothing. And the CPU might use more power than a celeron, but you don't need a gfx card and its fan in the machine just to run 1080p and record HDTV streams using MCE. I have a Llano box going for my MCE machine and it's fantastic.
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1)well, I don't feel limited in any way, and I use my computer for programing projects(not to havy projects).
2)i3 is not any better then a10-5800kk, in any practical way.
4)you are forgetting that "i3 plus HD7770 or even 7750"+ decent mobo for intel(like mine f2a850m) will end up in much more then just 300$.
4)"finally spending the money for a discrete card anyway" and now you are forgetting 2 things.
a)in a year or so the gpu I will buy, for the very same money will be way better.
b)I have a principle, not to spend more money then I need today, and buy exactly the pc I need. I think it is a good principle.
If I wanted to play games in higher settings, I would have bought i5+ some GPU.
Try running metro2033 or BF3 or Witcher 2 at 1080p and tell me you don't feel limited.
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By all means, if you have results with A10-5800K paired with HD6870 at 1080p link them here.
As I stated before, I've already posted Techreports' tests. Please refer to them.
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Try running metro2033 or BF3 or Witcher 2 at 1080p and tell me you don't feel limited.
Or even GTA IV as he claims.
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2)i3 is not any better then a10-5800kk, in any practical way.
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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=677
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:32 PM   #97
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As I stated before, I've already posted Techreports' tests. Please refer to them.
There is not an APU that pairs with a 6870. Does not exist. Anywhere.

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Or even GTA IV as he claims.
The fact that you think GTAIV, and games of its caliber, brings a 5800k to its knees is incredibly telling about your lack of experience in ever having used one.
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There is not an APU that pairs with a 6870. Does not exist. Anywhere.

What? You can't run a 6870 on an AMD CPU? Alrightly then
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Lot's of animosity here for people who've chosen the A10 to fit their needs. Having recently purchased several APU's for various reasons I think AMD is doing the right thing. There's a certain elegance of only really needing an APU to handle most of the common tasks. Intel really can't compete in the space where a consumer needs a simple cost effective solution to handle NAS/HTPC + Steam Box, an increasing demographic.
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Lot's of animosity here for people who've chosen the A10 to fit their needs. Having recently purchased several APU's for various reasons I think AMD is doing the right thing. There's a certain elegance of only really needing an APU to handle most of the common tasks. Intel really can't compete in the space where a consumer needs a simple cost effective solution to handle NAS/HTPC + Steam Box, an increasing demographic.
I have no problem with the 5800k as a cpu in general. It is perfectly adequate if not particularly efficient. It is also decent for gaming when paired with a discrete GPU, although it would not be my choice.

I do however strongly disagree that the APU is adequate for gaming in the sense that most here consider "PC Gaming". i.e. being able to play current and upcoming titles at 1080p at any kind of decent framerate and IQ settings.
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