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Old 02-20-2013, 11:36 AM   #76
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Will it be Nvidia's fault when the 8970 is released for $950?
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Old 02-20-2013, 11:39 AM   #77
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Will it be Nvidia's fault when the 8970 is released for $950?
Of course not. At that point it will be AMD's fault and the inconsistency will be as obvious then as it is now.
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Old 02-20-2013, 11:52 AM   #78
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$7k PC with on-board audio. Can't help but chuckle at that.
Yeah, the Realtek ALC898 is pretty awful. I like the integrated sound on my ASRock X79 Extreme11 though. It uses the Sound Core3D (Recon3Di) with headphone amplification.
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Both AMD and nVidia set pricing, at times, and the market decides if it can be sustained, imho.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:20 PM   #80
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I'm stoked at those OC results for Titan. I fully beleive that a single Titan at >1.0Ghz will outperform my GTX 670SLI at stock speeds. (which is what I run)
Are you looking to sell them? I might be interested...
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:21 PM   #81
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God I have heard enough on this nvidia is screwing up prices, this titan card is definitely a Halo product. It has it's own tier and I think that's what nvidia is trying to convey by not following their normal GTX ### naming convention. The Titan just carved out a new tier, high performance in graphics AND computing. I'd be willing to bet that the new 780 will still have 1/24 FP64 capabilities and remain in the current 450-600 pricing tier
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:28 PM   #82
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God I have heard enough on this nvidia is screwing up prices, this titan card is definitely a Halo product. It has it's own tier and I think that's what nvidia is trying to convey by not following their normal GTX ### naming convention. The Titan just carved out a new tier, high performance in graphics AND computing. I'd be willing to bet that the new 780 will still have 1/24 FP64 capabilities and remain in the current 450-600 pricing tier
So then what? Apparently they fooled you with a shiny case and a new name and you feel obliged to tow the company line. You are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else. Most people have common sense and can see through the bs and realize that it's merely marketing trying to upsell it.

Another new registration right at this launch trying muffle people who are outraged about the price, it is coincidence?
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:36 PM   #83
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Don't see any of the cards "under water".
Waterblocks won't be available for some time unless someone uses a universal mount and then they will still have issues with VRM cooling. These OC results are with air!


With a proper water set up GPU load temps are always in the 30s. Even so I don't think that allows for much more OC head room it just prevents the board from reaching critical mass under continuous full load, i.e. WCG crunching, for example.

A pair (or threesome!) of these, EVGA Signature Hydro Copper variety would work nice indeed.
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:37 PM   #84
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The market will gauge the price. If NV can sell all they can produce for $1000 then the price is right. If they can't move stock then the price is too high. I guess we'll see how it turns out over the coming months.
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:38 PM   #85
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When is 80c bad to? GTX 580 SLI can hit 93c under long loads.
Yeah!...didnt 8800GTX hit that at stock?
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Old 02-20-2013, 02:42 PM   #86
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Yeah!...didnt 8800GTX hit that at stock?
80C is nothing if it's stable, it's just drawing more power than it could be. But that's 80C at stupid quiet fan levels, so it's kind of just a sore point for some that such a big card could be so fast, so quiet, so efficient.
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80C is nothing if it's stable, it's just drawing more power than it could be. But that's 80C at stupid quiet fan levels, so it's kind of just a sore point for some that such a big card could be so fast, so quiet, so efficient.
My 690 at ~80C had what I would call annoying noise compared to my lightnings, DCUII, etc. This is certainly nitpicking (noise-wise) but it's not like you have another option when that's what's on the cards. People praise the cooler based on looks, how many have actually had it and compared it to their other cards.???

Also when you're overclocking how far can you go on voltage if it's already that hot, the fan will get extremely annoying quick from that point. I don't care what the number of degrees a card is unless it affects the noise level.

For $1000 they had better be extremely quiet being you don't have a choice other than liquid. Yeah I know, I can see the charts, it's quieter than AMD's reference, but I don't give a hoot. I'm used to good aftermarket coolers anyway.

For some people noise may be a non-issue.

As for your last point, really?? (How does heat correlate to jealousy about power, efficiency, ...your sales pitch )

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God I have heard enough on this nvidia is screwing up prices, this titan card is definitely a Halo product. It has it's own tier and I think that's what nvidia is trying to convey by not following their normal GTX ### naming convention. The Titan just carved out a new tier, high performance in graphics AND computing. I'd be willing to bet that the new 780 will still have 1/24 FP64 capabilities and remain in the current 450-600 pricing tier
? This is not a new tier at all. This is the same thing we have seen since 8800GTX....

8800GTX, GTX280, GTX285, GTX480, GTX580 all had high performance in graphics and compute. They were all used for both.

What nvidia is trying to convey by calling the card Titan is that they are going to charge you $1000 for a card that does exactly what those past cards all did. The only difference this time being it's called Titan instead of X80 and has aluminium on the housing.

They're doubling the price for the same performance increase. When you understand this it's much harder to be impressed by the card because of its bend you over and do you dry with no reach around price scheme.

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The market will gauge the price. If NV can sell all they can produce for $1000 then the price is right. If they can't move stock then the price is too high. I guess we'll see how it turns out over the coming months.
I agree with this. I think they'll initially sell out and then languish on the shelves once they start getting restocked and the initial rush from people replacing their quad 680/690 setups is over. I think we'll see a price cut on the card in a few months.
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:25 PM   #89
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One thing is for sure, 20nm ~300mm^2 chips are going to have some memory bandwidth issues to overcome if they want to come close to or pass gk110 in performance.
I think by the time they (TSMC and GF) have 20nm capability with decent yields (2 years away?), next-gen vram would be here also.

Titan is very impressive indeed, the fact that they enabled OV, its really an enthusiast product and ppl who dont care for power consumption can unleash a huge OC on it. AMD needs to take note with their cooling designs, its awful noisy their reference blowers.
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My 690 at ~80C had what I would call annoying noise compared to my lightnings, DCUII, etc.
Ok? 690 is a higher wattage part, with different design and different type of fan.

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This is certainly nitpicking (noise-wise) but it's not like you have another option when that's what's on the cards. People praise the cooler based on looks, how many have actually had it and compared it to their other cards.???
Sure you do. You can water cool it (most logical), and I'm sure there will be several different aftermarket coolers you can buy for it..... Like every other reference design that is easy to mass produce for.





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Also when you're overclocking how far can you go on voltage if it's already that hot, the fan will get extremely annoying quick from that point. I don't care what the number of degrees a card is unless it affects the noise level.
It makes less noise than the reference 680, so there is obviously room to increase fan noise. Did you see the video from Linus? But we already know a rear exhaust design has it's own pros/cons vs non reference.

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For $1000 they had better be extremely quiet being you don't have a choice other than liquid. Yeah I know, I can see the charts, it's quieter than AMD's reference, but I don't give a hoot. I'm used to good aftermarket coolers anyway.
Sure you will, to think otherwise is short sighted.

Aftermarket coolers are generally no better, or even worse in MGPU configurations, which is what Nvidia is pitching a 6GB card for, high res, multi screen, multi card solutions.

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For some people noise may be a non-issue.

As for your last point, really?? (How does heat correlate to jealousy about power, efficiency, ...your sales pitch )
Because "heat" is relative. It could run at 100C and use 20w of power, or -10C and use 400w.
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I think if there are any price cuts, they will probably only move pass down to inventory in the big channels.....whereas, the likes of us who pay premiums anyway wont be so lucky.
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I think if there are any price cuts, they will probably only move pass down to inventory in the big channels.....whereas, the likes of us who pay premiums anyway wont be so lucky.
I agree. It still cost $450 for a 580. I think the Titan price will stay steady and when GM100/GM110 comes out it will just quietly be phased out.

Its nice to finally see the true successor to my 480's finally get released. My first experience with Crysis 3 tonight will determine whether I upgrade to a Titan or wait till 20nm.
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I agree. It still cost $450 for a 580. I think the Titan price will stay steady and when GM100/GM110 comes out it will just quietly be phased out.

Its nice to finally see the true successor to my 480's finally get released. My first experience with Crysis 3 tonight will determine whether I upgrade to a Titan or wait till 20nm.
Good luck, I'll think you'll be upgrading if you're going to base it on your 480's performance in C3.
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He has SLI, the only thing I'd be worried about are drivers, vram, and if he is overclocked. Should be getting more performance than a 7970GHz with his setup.
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I will be basing the decision primarily on Crysis 3 yes. The 480's are 800mhz on the core. Only playing on a single 1080 screen at the moment though so 1.5GB of VRAM hasn't bottled me up yet.

Considering a Korean 25x14 with the next GPU upgrade
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I'm sure this has been asked, but will AT's "Part 2" review be out at midnight?
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I'm sure this has been asked, but will AT's "Part 2" review be out at midnight?
NDA lifts at 9am EST tomorrow morning. All reviews should be hitting then, and I will update the OP.
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I am considering this card, however I really, really, would like to upgrade SLI 580s untill a single card can beat it. *sigh* %1 problems, amiright?
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Angry 40% performance increase for twice the transistor count is the real disapointment

For me the biggest issue with Titan is that (at least according the pre-release benchmarks from Nvidia) it has about 40% better performance than the GTX 680 even though it has double the transistor count. Given the Titan's clock speeds are 80% to 85% of the 680, we should have gotten at least that much performance increase, not a piddling 40%.

The big technological selling point with Titan is the massive 7 billion transistors, and it seems like Nvidia wasted the resources at least from a gaming perspective. In other words, the card is showing its GPGPU roots. $1000 IS expensive for a graphics card, but it would have been somewhat justifiable had the performance been there. As it is we have a monster card that has not scaled in a linear manner i.e. doubling of computation units has not lead to a doubling of gaming performance, which if realized would have been a viable reason for preferring this card to something like the GTX 690 or HD 7970 Crossfire.

For the next round of gaming cards (GTX 7000 series) I do hope Nvidia design them for gaming from the ground up, rather than "slipping a mickey" as they are doing with the Titan
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For me the biggest issue with Titan is that (at least according the pre-release benchmarks from Nvidia) it has about 40% better performance than the GTX 680 even though it has double the transistor count. Given the Titan's clock speeds are 80% to 85% of the 680, we should have gotten at least that much performance increase, not a piddling 40%.

The big technological selling point with Titan is the massive 7 billion transistors, and it seems like Nvidia wasted the resources at least from a gaming perspective. In other words, the card is showing its GPGPU roots. $1000 IS expensive for a graphics card, but it would have been somewhat justifiable had the performance been there. As it is we have a monster card that has not scaled in a linear manner i.e. doubling of computation units has not lead to a doubling of gaming performance, which if realized would have been a viable reason for preferring this card to something like the GTX 690 or HD 7970 Crossfire.

For the next round of gaming cards (GTX 7000 series) I do hope Nvidia design them for gaming from the ground up, rather than "slipping a mickey" as they are doing with Titan
No doubt, it certainly is a Mickey Finn
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