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Old 02-19-2013, 07:41 AM   #43976
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It's funny isn't it?

Their argument all of a sudden turns to " Trayvon should have ran for his life, there was a killer on the loose!"
It is funny how you can't see that TM attacking GZ is what cost him his life.
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"These assholes, they always get away." -GZ
Doesn't change the fact that TM had no defensive wounds whereas GZ had wounds consistent with being attacked/beaten.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:13 AM   #43979
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"These assholes, they always get away." -GZ
You are 100% correct. Zimmerman's state of mind was hostile and it will be a factor in this case.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:22 AM   #43980
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You are 100% correct. Zimmerman's state of mind was hostile and it will be a factor in this case.
Really, it will be shown that his tone of voice wasn't angry or hostile when he made that statement. Not only that but the prosecution will have to get around these fact first:

TM had no defensive wounds whereas GZ had wounds consistent with being attacked/beaten.
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Really, it will be shown that his tone of voice wasn't angry or hostile when he made that statement. Not only that but the prosecution will have to get around these fact first:

TM had no defensive wounds whereas GZ had wounds consistent with being attacked/beaten.
DeeDee describes Trayvon asking somebody why they're following, and the person replying in an angry tone WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE?!

Unless we're going to go all conspiracy theory and suggest there's a third person, that would have been GZ.

Just the statement is a sign of hostility.

These assholes always get away.... WHAT ASSHOLES? What had Trayvon done up to that point to which Zimmerman could accurately label him as an asshole?

Oh... that's right.. .He was BLACK.

Run and tell that, homeboy.
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You are 100% correct. Zimmerman's state of mind was hostile and it will be a factor in this case.
Really? Which FL code asks that as a determining factor in the application of self defense?
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Really? Which FL code asks that as a determining factor in the application of self defense?
Well, once they determine that Zimmerman was acting totally irrationally alot of things change with regard to his defense.

It's alot harder for a gun wielding psychopath to claim self defense than an innocent bystander who just randomly gets assaulted.
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DeeDee describes Trayvon asking somebody why they're following, and the person replying in an angry tone WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE?!

Unless we're going to go all conspiracy theory and suggest there's a third person, that would have been GZ.

Just the statement is a sign of hostility.

These assholes always get away.... WHAT ASSHOLES? What had Trayvon done up to that point to which Zimmerman could accurately label him as an asshole?

Oh... that's right.. .He was BLACK.

Run and tell that, homeboy.
Funny DeeDee never mentioned this angry tone in the first interview Crump played for the public.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:36 AM   #43986
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Well, once they determine that Zimmerman was acting totally irrationally alot of things change with regard to his defense.

It's alot harder for a gun wielding psychopath to claim self defense than an innocent bystander who just randomly gets assaulted.
Why would a fool attack an armed person?? Don't they know they could get shot? More than likely the truth of the matter is TM didn't know GZ was armed and that why he felt he could get away with attacking him/beating him down.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:37 AM   #43987
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Funny DeeDee never mentioned this angry tone in the first interview Crump played for the public.
What other tone would he have if he'd gotten out of his car and ran after Trayvon?

Chipper?

User your brain plz. K, thanks.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:45 AM   #43988
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TM was doing nothing wrong at that point. There's nothing wrong with not leading a strange man to where you are staying and possibly endangering his little "brother".
It's funny isn't it?

Their argument all of a sudden turns to " Trayvon should have ran for his life, there was a killer on the loose!"
there is nothing wrong with Trayvon not wanting to allow a stranger to trail him to his little brother.

He had the head start in time and distance and multiple directions to travel.
  • He could have easily gone South to the end of the street and gone around to the front.
    • If the trailer showed up behind him; he had the lead time/distance to round the two corners and get into the house without breaking a sweat
    • If the trailing vehicle showed up; reverse direction and head back to the top of the T. Wait for the trailer to commit to a scenario and take the opposite on.
  • Go to the end of the walk (East) make a right; go to the end of street and another right.
    • If the trailer showed up behind him; continue walking away from the house
    • If the trailing vehicle showed up; cross back through the property; trailer vehicle is unable to.

If the guy was following and he was worried, call the law.

He did none of that.
He decided to wait for Zimmerman, confront and then attack him.

Nowhere in the DeeDee statement did he exhibit concern about his safety of his little brothers or his self.

If anything; he expressed frustration that he knew he was being followed.
similar type attitude as "those punks always get away"
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Well, once they determine that Zimmerman was acting totally irrationally alot of things change with regard to his defense.

It's alot harder for a gun wielding psychopath to claim self defense than an innocent bystander who just randomly gets assaulted.
The jury CANNOT return a conviction unsupported by the evidence and FL code. If they do, the judge is obligated to set it aside.

So again, what code?
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What other tone would he have if he'd gotten out of his car and ran after Trayvon?

Chipper?

User your brain plz. K, thanks.
Why didn't GZ sound angry throughout the entire NEN call? Looks like the reason DeeDee didn't mention the angry tone was GZ never spoke to TM in that manner.

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Really? Which FL code asks that as a determining factor in the application of self defense?
Being charged with any kind of homicide, the state of mind of the person being charged is always part of the evidence, if it can be proven. Statements made often determine the state of a person's mind. No question his language on that phone call to dispatch will be an issue that the defense will have to combat.
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After referring to Trayvon as a Fucking punk and an Asshole, I'm sure Georgie boy was overwhelmed with joy and happiness when confronting him and asking him what he was going around there.

He was so happy that he forgot to mention any of it happening in his official police report.
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You are 100% correct. Zimmerman's state of mind was hostile and it will be a factor in this case.
Too bad we don't have an audio recording of TM's phone call; I bet it was 10x as worse.
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there is nothing wrong with Trayvon not wanting to allow a stranger to trail him to his little brother.

He had the head start in time and distance and multiple directions to travel.
  • He could have easily gone South to the end of the street and gone around to the front.
    • If the trailer showed up behind him; he had the lead time/distance to round the two corners and get into the house without breaking a sweat
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    • If the trailer showed up behind him; continue walking away from the house
    • If the trailing vehicle showed up; cross back through the property; trailer vehicle is unable to.

If the guy was following and he was worried, call the law.

He did none of that.
He decided to wait for Zimmerman, confront and then attack him.

Nowhere in the DeeDee statement did he exhibit concern about his safety of his little brothers or his self.

If anything; he expressed frustration that he knew he was being followed.
similar type attitude as "those punks always get away"
Pretty much. Neither Zimmerman nor Martin had any legal requirement to run for cover as neither was acting illegally, so the "missing time" for either is irrelevant.
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there is nothing wrong with Trayvon not wanting to allow a stranger to trail him to his little brother.

He had the head start in time and distance and multiple directions to travel.
  • He could have easily gone South to the end of the street and gone around to the front.
    • If the trailer showed up behind him; he had the lead time/distance to round the two corners and get into the house without breaking a sweat
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  • Go to the end of the walk (East) make a right; go to the end of street and another right.
    • If the trailer showed up behind him; continue walking away from the house
    • If the trailing vehicle showed up; cross back through the property; trailer vehicle is unable to.

If the guy was following and he was worried, call the law.

He did none of that.
He decided to wait for Zimmerman, confront and then attack him.

Nowhere in the DeeDee statement did he exhibit concern about his safety of his little brothers or his self.

If anything; he expressed frustration that he knew he was being followed.
similar type attitude as "those punks always get away"
So what you're saying is the 2 did many of the same things.

The only difference being that Zimmerman did it in a more extreme way.

And then we're back to the important part of the topic where Trayvon was going about his business and Zimmerman was not.

Zimmerman dropped everything to racially profile and chase after a 17 year old kid primarily based upon the color of his skin matching the color of skin other people had, while referring to him in deragatory manner as if he was the same person based upon his skin color.

Then after being on the short end of a physical altercation in which it's highly unlikely the intent was anything other than a simple ass beating, he pulls his gun and kills the 17 year old kid he'd been racially profiling.


So that's where we're back to. Trayvon is minding his business. Zimmerman is racially profiling and going after Trayvon based on him being black like the burglary suspects reported in the area.

Zimmerman stays in his car as he was supposed to be doing, or leaves to actually go about his business and nothing at all happens that night.

( and please, reply by saying that Trayvon should have left the area because there was a psychopath on the loose )
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The legal test for self defense is enumerated in the Florida code. Go educate yourself.
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Pretty much. Neither Zimmerman nor Martin had any legal requirement to run for cover as neither was acting illegally, so the "missing time" for either is irrelevant.
Acting as neighborhood watch, he'd already completed his obligations and at that point should have either moved the fuck on, or waited in his car.

He chose not to wait though and instead chose to instigate a confrontation that wouldn't have happened if he was actiing rationally and waiting on police.

If he had not already convinced himself of Trayvon being up to no good based on him being black, he wouldn't have left his car.

BUT HE HAD. He's already convinced himself that Trayvon despite doing nothing wrong was an asshole and a fucking punk.
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DeeDee describes Trayvon asking somebody why they're following, and the person replying in an angry tone WHAT ARE YOU DOING AROUND HERE?!

Unless we're going to go all conspiracy theory and suggest there's a third person, that would have been GZ.

Just the statement is a sign of hostility.
And DeeDee is likely full of shit.

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These assholes always get away.... WHAT ASSHOLES? What had Trayvon done up to that point to which Zimmerman could accurately label him as an asshole?

Oh... that's right.. .He was BLACK.

Run and tell that, homeboy.
Oh, that and the fact that TM had just previously approached GZ with his hand in his waistband, making taunting and/or aggressive gestures at GZ, and prompting GZ to reiterate to the dispatcher "get an officer over here". If I'm GZ at that point, I think this unknown kid is taunting me because this kid knows I know he's up to no good, and the kid is basically saying "What you gonna do about it?". Not only that, but shortly after that, after TM sees GZ on the phone, he starts running away! What is GZ supposed to think in that situation? TM looked suspicious, acted suspicious, and GZ had a reason to be on high alert considering the ongoing problems in the neighborhood. It's unfortunate that TM chose to act in the way he did (like an asshole), which only exacerbated the problem.
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The fact GZ made those statements in a nonchalant manner on the NEN call and didn't show any anger during the call I don't see how the prosecution will be able to use this to show GZ acted in a depraved manner (evincing a depraved mind) which is required for a 2nd degree murder conviction.

It's more likely that TM was the person who was angry and attacked GZ due to this anger.
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And then we're back to the important part of the topic where Trayvon was going about his business and Zimmerman was not.
Since when is it not one's business to be extra vigilant about strangers in their neighborhood, especially strangers fitting the description of those who have carried out a number of break-ins, thefts, etc., in that same neighborhood? I'd say it was precisely GZ's business to be concerned, and he took the appropriate actions by calling police and attempting to maintain a visual on this suspicious looking/acting stranger.
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