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Old 02-13-2013, 03:30 AM   #626
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Twitter has a bunch of links to audio and transcripts of the cops calling for them to burn the house down.

The audio in particular sounds crazy and the reporters just say "well the police are understandably upset".

I don't know if any of these are real though. The way they handled this though appears to be shoot first ask questions later. Ugly law enforcement.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:34 AM   #627
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Cops are the biggest pussies on the planet. Thats why many became cops to fill their insecurity and lord over others.....why truly good ones are culled....why they shot up two cars they believed a dangerous felon was in OFC they are going to burn it down rather than raid. Those are some good pensions waiting for them and they want em.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:36 AM   #628
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At this point I'd just want him dead too before he goes and kills more innocent people. If they capture him, fine, but just taking him out may quite seriously be the best and less risky option.
I'd prefer they took him alive so I can know what got him all worked up. I want the details of the events that led him to become homicidal. It seemed as if he stood for the right principles while still an LAPD officer. Most cops become corrupt and those who don't or speak up are fired, demoted, shoved aside, and in rare cases, turn out like this guy. If anything, this could have shed some light on police corruption within the LAPD post Rodney King. This is another in many instances where the legal process has been disregarded.

I'm also pretty sure that had the fools within the LAPD and Torrence PD been less incompetent and could actually more accurately land some of 100+ bullets they fired at the 2 Asian paperladies and the white male, there would be 3 more innocent lives lost, but this time at the hands of the police department. Would that have been justified?
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:42 AM   #629
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Cops burned the cabin after removing the front door and wall without identifying who was inside. Arrest seemed to never be on the table.

If there was anybody in there with him, like a hostage, will we ever find out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMU1RNURtHs
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:43 AM   #630
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Now they're saying no body has been found yet.

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Old 02-13-2013, 04:09 AM   #631
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I want to know if these clips are real. This sounds so fascist it's not even funny.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:21 AM   #632
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Cops burned the cabin after removing the front door and wall without identifying who was inside. Arrest seemed to never be on the table.

If there was anybody in there with him, like a hostage, will we ever find out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMU1RNURtHs
So SWAT never actually going inside the building?
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:54 AM   #633
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To be honest, I have a tendency to dislike and distrust cops as much as many of you here. If what the LAPD is telling us is true, than I have to reluctantly give them a pass on this. Any attempt to take him into custody would likely have been a disaster. This man was well prepared for everything they threw at him, and is extremely dangerous to approach by any other means. They did what they had to do.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:01 AM   #634
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Whatever he knew, the LAPD didn't want it to come out. They burned the house down without confirmation of who was inside. The LAPD shot at civilians. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt.

Fair winds and following seas Lt. Dorner.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:03 AM   #635
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I want to know if these clips are real. This sounds so fascist it's not even funny.
it was absolutely chilling...
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:07 AM   #636
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Whatever he knew, the LAPD didn't want it to come out. They burned the house down without confirmation of who was inside. The LAPD shot at civilians. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt.

Fair winds and following seas Lt. Dorner.
We'll see what happens after the full story gets out. At this point, it's just way too early to make any conclusions because the media never has it right the first time.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:13 AM   #637
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the amount of attention this whole thing brought about is STAGGERING.. if i were DHS right now, i'd be making a plan.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:15 AM   #638
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Well the media blackout is a problem as well.

They didn't have to order the media out and take the police scanners offline. They could have simply delayed them like they were originally doing. For hours the media was playing a loop of the same coverage but they were still ordered out.
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Well the media blackout is a problem as well.

They didn't have to order the media out and take the police scanners offline. They could have simply delayed them like they were originally doing. For hours the media was playing a loop of the same coverage but they were still ordered out.
Given the situation I understood the reasoning but anyone with a smartphone can listen to the news live.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:21 AM   #640
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Well the media blackout is a problem as well.

They didn't have to order the media out and take the police scanners offline. They could have simply delayed them like they were originally doing. For hours the media was playing a loop of the same coverage but they were still ordered out.

It's part of what solidifies that the LEOs wanted to be judge, jury, and executioner. They wanted him at any cost, including 'civilian' lives.

Hell they even said they didn't want him to know what they were about to do.

They then shutdown the airspace, threw an incendiary device into the house, and intentionally burned it all to the ground.


Fucking terrible. It seriously is. I don't even know who to be pissed at in this situation, I'm just disgusted by all of it.

The way the LAPD handled this really shows the guy had legitimate issues with the department.
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It's part of what solidifies that the LEOs wanted to be judge, jury, and executioner. They wanted him at any cost, including 'civilian' lives.

Hell they even said they didn't want him to know what they were about to do.

They then shutdown the airspace, threw an incendiary device into the house, and intentionally burned it all to the ground.


Fucking terrible. It seriously is. I don't even know who to be pissed at in this situation, I'm just disgusted by all of it.

The way the LAPD handled this really shows the guy had legitimate issues with the department.
The LAPD was not involved at his last stand, they were on standby at LAX I believe
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At this point I'd just want him dead too before he goes and kills more innocent people. If they capture him, fine, but just taking him out may quite seriously be the best and less risky option.
Where is that part written in our constitution. Where is the line about burning someone alive?
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The LAPD was not involved at his last stand, they were on standby at LAX I believe

Well whoever, LAPD, FBI, they're all the same gang. However it was handled was clearly not appropriate. You don't just burn down a house with someone inside, no matter how guilty you think they are. Maybe there were kids there, or maybe he's somehow innocent, who knows.

Bottom line is that it's not LEO/FBI jurisdiction to execute someone, and that's exactly what they did to someone who just so happened to have some incriminating evidence against them.
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Well whoever, LAPD, FBI, they're all the same gang. However it was handled was clearly not appropriate. You don't just burn down a house with someone inside, no matter how guilty you think they are. Maybe there were kids there, or maybe he's somehow innocent, who knows.

Bottom line is that it's not LEO/FBI jurisdiction to execute someone, and that's exactly what they did to someone who just so happened to have some incriminating evidence against them.
Just taking after their CEO. Obama does it now as well.
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They don't appear to have made any communication with anyone they thought was him. The trucks that were shot up? The last stand?

They reported that they flew in SWAT members. LAPD or San Bernadino?
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Whatever he knew, the LAPD didn't want it to come out. They burned the house down without confirmation of who was inside. The LAPD shot at civilians. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt.

Fair winds and following seas Lt. Dorner.
I guess you're ok with him murdering innocent people then. I don't care what issues he had, they don't justify what he did. He was a monster.
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Just taking after their CEO. Obama does it now as well.

Obama would be addressing this if he didn't support it.

Obviously, this is how he and his administration thinks it's appropriate to handle other gang members with incriminating evidence against the rival gang.
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I guess you're ok with him murdering innocent people then. I don't care what issues he had, they don't justify what he did. He was a monster.

As bad as it is, at least it wasn't totally random. The guy had some mission as part of what was a 'war' in his mind.

Compared to LEOs randomly gunning down innocent citizens and intentionally burning down a house with him inside of it??
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I guess you're ok with him murdering innocent people then. I don't care what issues he had, they don't justify what he did. He was a monster.
Not that it matters but he was only killing people that pissed him off or their family. He didn't kill any random people that I ha e heard about.
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