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Old 02-13-2013, 07:05 AM   #951
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At 400W TDP?
yeah, and 50% more bandwidth
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yeah, and 50% more bandwidth
Might be all it needs. We'll see soon enough apparently.
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I like to look at all cards, small and large, from an engineering point of view, too. Efficiency is somewhat important to me, even with SLI. The lower the power consumption, the better for my wallet, my ears and my conscience
If you're really that concerned about efficiency, there are tons of options for you in the nv 6xx series and AMD 7xxx series. No real reason for you to be concerned about a few uber high end cards breaking the TDP "barrier".
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I like to look at all cards, small and large, from an engineering point of view, too. Efficiency is somewhat important to me, even with SLI. The lower the power consumption, the better for my wallet, my ears and my conscience
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I like to look at all cards, small and large, from an engineering point of view, too. Efficiency is somewhat important to me, even with SLI. The lower the power consumption, the better for my wallet, my ears and my conscience
If Titan is trading blows with GTX680 SLI, that would automatically make it more efficient since a single GTX680 uses 185W of power. So unless the Titan uses 370W, it wins on efficiency too. If Titan is really that amazing, it makes no sense for anyone to own GTX680 SLI / GTX690 and put up with SLI. I am sure even if it comes in with 10-15%, people will overclock it to match GTX680 SLI and take the slight downgrade in FPS for smoother frame delivery. The used sale market is going to flooded with those 680s/690s GPU. With GTX680 market prices so high, there hasn't been a better time to sell one!

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No real reason for you to be concerned about a few uber high end cards breaking the TDP "barrier".
Agreed. If NV puts a very high quality cooler that dissipates 275-300W of power at reasonable noise level (not GTX480 first 6 months samples), then let her rip! GTX690 has a TDP of 300W and uses about 275W of power in games and yet due to its very high quality fan and cooler, it remains reasonably quiet for that level of performance.



If NV manages to boost the Titan to 1050-1100mhz and real world power consumption is 275-280W, the target market for this card won't mind. I don't think many people who are spending $900 on a GPU care about another 25-30W of extra power over 250W TDP.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:48 AM   #956
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Another take at the upcoming monster:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...d-hd-7990.aspx
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:50 AM   #957
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Well, you don't. Others do. What keeps AMD from pumping out a monster card at no regard for price or TDP? That is no commendable achievement, everyone can do that if they wanted to.
No one paying a thousand dollars for a gpu gives a damn about that.
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Looks like a seriously immense piece of hardware, but only 10k being made, that means the UK will see about 500 if we're lucky, and they'll be price gouged up to about twice the price as the $USD RRP

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Another take at the upcoming monster:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...d-hd-7990.aspx
There is nothing new in it. He is repeating what everybody can read on nearly every site.
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Agreed. If NV puts a very high quality cooler that dissipates 275-300W of power at reasonable noise level (not GTX480 first 6 months samples), then let her rip! GTX690 has a TDP of 300W and uses about 275W of power in games and yet due to its very high quality fan and cooler, it remains reasonably quiet for that level of performance.
cards like these should come with Water blocks already fitted.
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cards like these should come with Water blocks already fitted.
They will in a couple months after the initial run. You can get an EVGA 690 with a waterblock on from the factory right now...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130861
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There is nothing new in it. He is repeating what everybody can read on nearly every site.
Some of the things he says just are plan wrong.

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I like to look at all cards, small and large, from an engineering point of view, too. Efficiency is somewhat important to me, even with SLI. The lower the power consumption, the better for my wallet, my ears and my conscience
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I am not so sure. I don't think HD8970 has any shot to hit 50-60% faster than HD7970GE unless HD8970 is 20nm Volcanic Islands. I don't think AMD will even come close to the Titan in a 1 die card until they hit 20nm. I would think the type of people buying $900 GPUs are also not the type who'll want to wait 12 months for something with similar performance for less money. Just look at the depreciation of cards like GTX280, 480 or 580. You can now get $499 GTX580 level of performance in an HD7850 OC for $150. This card is targeting those who want the best of the best as soon as it comes out. The same gamers are likely rocking 2 GTX680s/690, or similar in which case selling them and getting the Titan won't seem like a significant financial cost to side-grade to escape the SLI scaling requirement. Plus a lot of people just like to play with new toys. I expect some nice discounts on GTX680s in the used market shortly.



How? Their official road-map has nothing until Q3 2013. 20% faster HD8970 by Q4 2013 won't matter anymore since the Titan will have ruled the market for more than 7 months. I think AMD should keep themselves busy on drivers and game bundles. They have no chance of touching the Titan unless they pull some desperate official HD7990 SKU as a counter. Their best bet is to focus on the $100-300 GPU market segments where the competition is the most fierce rather than waste 100s millions of dollars attempting to counter something as impressive as the Titan. The Titan is like an i7 3970X since it targets a very niche super-high end market segment. With AMD's engineering resources and financial situation, it doesn't make sense to take such risks with such limited financial rewards when the competitor has so easily beaten the best they have in the HD7970GE. Even if they do try to make some 500mm2 HD8000 chip, it might be a total failure, and they would have wasted 6 months of time and resources. AMD doesn't have the luxury of the $5 billion ATI to pull stunts like that. The risk is just too high. What they should do is focus on price/performance in lower segments under $500 with HD7000 since that's what their strengths are. Seeing where Titan lands must be a scary thought for them since if they aimed at increasing performance of HD7970GE by 75% with their 20nm parts, those GPUs might easily get rolled over by Maxwell if a 28nm Titan comes in 60% faster than HD7970 Ghz (!!). Releasing drivers on time, fixing DX10/11 stuttering with GCN memory mgmt rewrite, things like that still matter for HD7000 series since it's targeting the key mainstream market segments.


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Why are you finally acting like the GK110 card is good? You spent a year giving a hundred different reasons why it would barely be better than the 680.
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BSN reports 875mhz GPU clock. If true, most of you here owe tviceman and I beers!

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Why are you finally acting like the GK110 card is good?
I wasn't aware I am not allowed to be impressed or change my mind in light of additional information that leaked. I never said I wouldn't be impressed by a 50-60% gain. What I said is that 80-100% gain from a mythical 2880 SP 1Ghz 240 TMU part was wishful thinking in the discussed 250W power level. Feel free to quote where I said specifically if Titan was "only" 40-60% faster I wouldn't be impressed.

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You spent a year giving a hundred different reasons why it would barely be better than the 680.
All my discussions regarding GK110 always centered around of its combination of GPU clocks, die size, fully functional SMX units and real world power consumption/TDP. I even mentioned more than once that if NV wants to break 250W real world power consumption, they can go way higher than 50-60% than the performance of a GTX680 but I deemed that as unlikely due to issues they had with GTX480s at 270W. Even in this very thread people continued to contest my opinion when I questioned the 1019mhz GPU clocks. I could be right, I could be wrong, but I'll throw my opinion in. That's what this forum is for. We share our viewpoints.

If you read any of my posts last year regarding year GK110 claims, my biggest problems were related to fanboy wishful thinking of 1Ghz 2880 SP, 240 TMU 300W part, or doubling the performance of a GTX680 inside a 250W power level, or even increasing GPU speed by 80%. Based on the rumors I repeatedly said I wouldn't have been surprised by a 40-60% performance increase inside a 235-250W power envelope and what what we are hearing the card is coming in at 60-65% faster than a GTX680, not 80-100%. In case you need me to remind you again, a GTX690 or GTX680 SLI is not 2x faster than a GTX680.

I questioned the X7000+ 3D Mark (Fire Extreme) scores as well. "Preliminary results show that in 3DMark Fire Strike (Extreme), GTX Titan scores 4870. According to our own testing, this would put the part some 500 points (10%) behind two GeForce GTX 680s in SLI mode. Given that single GTX 680 achieves around 3000 points, almost 1900 points fewer than GTX Titan." 4900 points vs. 3000 points is a 63% increase, not 80-100%. This is not out of line with what I have been saying about GK110 to begin with (40-60%). Not sure what problems you have with my previous opinions.

Finally, I find it amusing that you have personally come out and questioned why I am suddenly impressed by GK110's specs. The whole point of discussing theoretical GPU specs is to throw around different ideas. That's what makes the forum fun. People here have different viewpoints regarding prospective GPU specs but you have specifically chosen to address me regarding my opinion on GK110 for what reason? I never claimed to be able to predict with 99% certainty the specs of future GPUs. Looking at the past, the forum has been wrong 3/3 times when everyone went gangbusters over GTX480/580/680 hype specs. You failed to mention that part. Did you proceed to tell everyone who guessed wrong on GTX480/580/680's specs of performance estimates?
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Base, or boost?
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I predict nice sales for slightly used GTX 690s will follow the release of this card.
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According to the same BSN article Asus and EVGA have some clock custom flexibility and offered, allegedly 915 base for the Asus sku.
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According to the same BSN article Asus and EVGA have some clock custom flexibility and offered, allegedly 915 base for the Asus sku.
What if they disabled Kepler boost but re-enabled full voltage control with a fixed GPU clock speed of 875-915mhz? Or maybe the secret sauce is a huge GPU boost with TDP exceeding 235W for power users?

10,000 Titans worldwide sounds like a pretty limited edition card.
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It would be the base clock. Tools have no chance to read the boost clock.

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Makes sense. So they can give people, what they: Voltage control. :lol:
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Can't wait for this thing! Feels like 8800GTX reborn and something worthy of replacing my 480's
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I find it hilarious this is launching 2 days before Sony's big announcement for a possible PS4.

NV's 1 finger salute to PS4.

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The only problem is the assumption they are going to put a ridiculous price on it.

You could have had better performance for a long time with a 690 (two midrange 560ti successors) and now this will only bring about a huge price increase (according to rumors). Yeah I know you don't have to deal with SLI but regardless if the high end prices just went from $550/$600 to $800 then it's just NV delaying the high end and inflating the price. Without a massive price increase this would be a lot more interesting. They are finally able to pass off major price increases and get away with it.
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What if they disabled Kepler boost but re-enabled full voltage control with a fixed GPU clock speed of 875-915mhz? Or maybe the secret sauce is a huge GPU boost with TDP exceeding 235W for power users?

10,000 Titans worldwide sounds like a pretty limited edition card.
Could be 10,000 Titans available at launch!

I don't know, I think GPU boost is very forward thinking, would be very surprised not to see boost with the GK-110. Why would you not offer boost clocks if an application doesn't use all of the TDP?
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Could be 10,000 Titans available at launch!

I don't know, I think GPU boost is very forward thinking, would be very surprised not to see boost with the GK-110. Why would you not offer boost clocks if an application doesn't use all of the TDP?
Agreed, the only problem with boost has been it's inability to work well with user defined voltage.
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