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02-11-2013, 02:42 PM
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He should have taken early retirement. I haven't seen anything about it being brought back, but I'm sure it has with the DoD downsizing the active duty force. Unless of course that's only the USMC shrinking.
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02-11-2013, 02:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nintendesert
He should have taken early retirement. I haven't seen anything about it being brought back, but I'm sure it has with the DoD downsizing the active duty force. Unless of course that's only the USMC shrinking.
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The 15 year option has not come back.
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02-11-2013, 02:51 PM
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He's been through worse.
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02-11-2013, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by EagleKeeper
The 15 year option has not come back.
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It has in the Army for those who get QSP'ed.
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02-11-2013, 03:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nextJin
It has in the Army for those who get QSP'ed.
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when did it come back?
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Active-duty and reserve soldiers with between 15 and 20 years of service could be eligible for early retirement, the Army announced this week.
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I do not think the Navy is as overloaded as the Army and Marines are.
If people come back into the reserves; can they then qualify for the 15 yr mark? 
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02-11-2013, 04:18 PM
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What a dumbass. I think the reason he's not getting paid is probably because he couldn't have killed Bin Laden... Bin Laden died before the end of Bush's first year as President.
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02-11-2013, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist420
What a dumbass. I think the reason he's not getting paid is probably because he couldn't have killed Bin Laden... Bin Laden died before the end of Bush's first year as President.
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Indubitably.
Colonel Mustard, in the Ball Room, with the Candlestick.
As an aside...the Navy is dumping people left and right, but as far as I know, they are not doing early retirements. Mostly just cracking down on weight standards and not allowing people in certain rates to re-enlist.
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02-11-2013, 04:33 PM
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I find it hard to believe a seal team 6 operator would have a hard time not making 6 figures easily. Must have mental issues which would explain his 16 year non pension retirement. Or whole story is a fabrication.
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02-11-2013, 05:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebo
I find it hard to believe a seal team 6 operator would have a hard time not making 6 figures easily. Must have mental issues which would explain his 16 year non pension retirement. Or whole story is a fabrication.
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Story is from Esquire - Men's vanity magazine.
I suspect that the article had all the information and was selectively edited for the sob effect.
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02-11-2013, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Thump553
How many other jobs enable someone to retire with full pension and lifetime healthcare as young as age 38? And you want to shorten the time requirements even more.
The original article is so poorly written and factually deficient that you'd have to be clairvoyent to understand the real situation. If in fact he decided at 16 years (for his own personal reasons) that he didn't want to be military anymore, I presume he is mentally competent and knew what he was giving up. It's his choice to make.
OTOH this whole thing could be a publicity trial balloon for the multimillion dollar memoir he plans to publish.
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How many other jobs require you to go out in teams of four to six men deep into foreign countries, into the midst of millions of people eager to kill you, with little or no backup? How many other jobs require that you give them the right to ship you anywhere in the world to fight - and under the rules they apply at the time - for any reasons be they good or foolish, without even the right to quit before your term is up?
When one joins the military one gives the government a blank check for any amount up to and including one's life, with a term of some years to call it in and the right to unilaterally extend that term if it desires. I don't think you can compare it to any other profession.
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02-11-2013, 05:23 PM
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^ very few have to do that. combat arms is very small. SO every smaller. A lot sit in an office stateside get preggo every 2 years with lots of time off and 'serving your country' amounts to workfare. I've often felt these guys should be paid like 40k a month to pay them what they are worth. After all security firms pay them 20-25K a month.
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02-11-2013, 05:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by werepossum
How many other jobs require you to go out in teams of four to six men deep into foreign countries, into the midst of millions of people eager to kill you, with little or no backup? How many other jobs require that you give them the right to ship you anywhere in the world to fight - and under the rules they apply at the time - for any reasons be they good or foolish, without even the right to quit before your term is up?
When one joins the military one gives the government a blank check for any amount up to and including one's life, with a term of some years to call it in and the right to unilaterally extend that term if it desires. I don't think you can compare it to any other profession.
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It seems reasonable to give these guys additional credit towards their retirement and to try hard to steer them into college so they can be moved into training positions and up the command structure so we continue to benefit from their knowledge. It also seems like people in positions that will never see combat don't need a pension in the 38 - 42 age range.
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02-11-2013, 05:55 PM
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He should just make a website that takes donations. He would be rich in no time.
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02-11-2013, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Theb
It seems reasonable to give these guys additional credit towards their retirement and to try hard to steer them into college so they can be moved into training positions and up the command structure so we continue to benefit from their knowledge. It also seems like people in positions that will never see combat don't need a pension in the 38 - 42 age range.
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20 years till retirement is already pretty short. Also, they get a lot of extra pay for what they do already. While we don't know the details here, generally he could have rotated back to different duty had he so chosen. I really can't figure out what would have happened that would leave him unable to re-enlist but wouldn't give him disability or medical benefits. I mean considering training time and deployment schedules, how long do you want to shorten it?
Again, this story is mighty fishy.
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02-11-2013, 06:19 PM
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The group discussed what would happen if they were surrounded by Pakistani troops. We would surrender. The original plan was to have Vice-President Biden fly to Islamabad and negotiate our release with Pakistan's president.
This is hearsay, but I understand Obama said, Hell no. My guys are not surrendering. What do we need to rain hell on the Pakistani military? That was the one time in my life I was thinking, I am fucking voting for this guy. I had a picture of him lying in bed at night, thinking, You're not fucking with my guys. Like, he's thinking about us.
We got word that we'd be scrambling jets on the border to back us up.
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Aww yeah.
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02-11-2013, 06:37 PM
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Aww yeah.
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You really think obama would have them not surrender, obama would have them surrender and make a half-assed attempt to get them back
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02-11-2013, 07:13 PM
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Heres an article that agrees with what most here were saying about the pension and VA benefits in the original article.
The author of the Esquire piece said that there wasnt enough room in the article to explain why he wasnt getting any benefits.
http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rup...hcare-1.207506
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02-11-2013, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Abe Froman
But the Shooter will discover soon enough that when he leaves after sixteen years in the Navy, his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendinitis, eye damage, and blown disks, here is what he gets from his employer and a grateful nation:
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is he disabled and the navy forced him out for being unfit for duty?
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02-11-2013, 07:40 PM
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His family still doesn't so they are half right.
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02-11-2013, 07:49 PM
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Did this guy write a book and open his mouth and all that?
If he did he may have upset and alienated quite a few, and all the little support mechanisms and such he may have had are gone.
Article still sounds fishy though.
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02-11-2013, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SaurusX
He'll be able to get a job as a police officer or in private security with no problem at all.
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From what I've read all his records are classified and essentially he'll be discharged without any record of his service in the Navy Seals because its all top secret and classified.
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02-11-2013, 08:07 PM
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The man is a national hero. Let him drive a desk the last four years somewhere. He has payed his dues.
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02-11-2013, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cwjerome
Did this guy write a book and open his mouth and all that?
If he did he may have upset and alienated quite a few, and all the little support mechanisms and such he may have had are gone.
Article still sounds fishy though.
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As far as I understand, no he did not. He would probably have more money if he did. I think he did not on principle, although I could be mistaken.
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02-11-2013, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DucatiMonster696
From what I've read all his records are classified and essentially he'll be discharged without any record of his service in the Navy Seals because its all top secret and classified.
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< citation needed >
Sure, his record won't list: "July 27, killed al-Qaeda #2 number 15 with RPG" but I don't for a second believe there is no record of him serving as a Navy SEAL if he was one.
But it is true that Mister Rogers had over 30 confirmed sniper kills in 'Nam.
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