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Old 01-20-2013, 05:47 PM   #251
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That, or you could do something utterly outrageous like read the link I provided
Running Linux, it will only play games with OpenGL. The majority of PC games are DX9+. The advantages of having a SteamBox over a console are none except you will get "Valve exclusives" which means nothing because they don't really release games. Console games are about exclusives. Valve won't have the MS ones (Halo) and they won't have the PS3 ones.
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Kind of funny you say that, as I was about to reply to you one of my buddies pulled me into voice chat on Steam. Just the two of us discussing Ni No Kuni, noone else on that would be interested so we didn't convert it to a full party chat.
As I stated, I didn't know Steam has the function because nobody I know uses it. And I can't find it.
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Ubuntu already has a Netflix app, ignoring that though iOS and Android also have Netflix apps and they don't support MS's Silverlight either.
So in order to use Netflix on a SteamBox, I will have to launch a browers, browse to Netflix and then use it. Completely inferior to the Xbox and PS3 apps. Also the PS3 app before silverlight was trash. Can't comment on the Ubuntu version, but I don't have high hopes.
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So the MS company line is that developers are going to take their x86 OpenGL build of games from the PS4- port them to x86 D3D builds of the game for the 360, then port that to PC native x86 D3D and then have to port it to x86 OpenGL for the SteamBox........ Really?
The line is that 99% of PC games are DX9+. Those are unavailable on the SteamBox. The advantage the SteamBox would have had over the competitors (being able to play PC games on the TVv easily) is gone. Sure, the next CoD and Madden will be there, and on the other two consoles so people don't care about it. Now, at lot of console games get ported over to PC and then will need to be ported over to Linux / SteamBox. That will only increase the bitcing PC gamers already do about console ports.
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The broader success is really immaterial to this thread however. The subject is next gen online services, Valve has MS and Sony stomped, and it's free. That is the standard that MS has to go up against next gen.
As I just explained, Valve has stomped nothing. Unless this comes in a box set with HL3, nobody will give a shit except PC gamers who will be majorly disappointed. This SteamBox offers no advantage over either console as it stands. Any game that will be available on consoles minus exclusives will be available. The few PC games available on Linux will be available. The games that get DX ports from console to PC won't make it to the SteamBox most likely.
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:35 PM   #252
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:55 PM   #253
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Your argument is that I have to buy a $200 license to play more than a few games on my console? Yeah, I am making up stories. SteamBox - 0, every other console - 1.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:03 PM   #254
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I'm too lazy to read all of this banter, but what about Wine/Cedega?
http://gametreelinux.com/

Although, I don't know how much the API translation would kill performance. Anyway, the biggest problem with Steam even being compared to XBOX Live or PSN is that MOST games that are on Steam aren't even designed for Steam. It seems that only recently developers have been embracing Steamworks as a comprehensive way of providing security/DRM and an effective player environment.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:23 PM   #256
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Can you not read? Or do you just refuse to read the articles I linked? If you demand to remain ignorant, have at it. It's an approach that leads fanboys to true happiness most of the time.
Read the Verve article. Didn't find anything about DirectX D3D. So please link or quote me something that will explain how all the DX games will work in a non-DirectX environment.

I also can't think of any games that truly interact with Steam besides a DirectX injection (or whatever the OpenGL equivalent is) to show their overlay. Messaging, invites, all that stuff isn't really integrated into games. I guess Dota 2 has some of that functionality. Xbox Live has that built into tons of games. =)
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:24 PM   #257
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I'd say it is safe to say the amount of games that work seamlessly with Steam right now outnumber those that work seamlessly on the 720 and PS4 combined by roughly infinite percent
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i'd say it is safe to say the amount of games that work seamlessly with xbox360 and ps3 right now outnumber those that work seamlessly on the steambox by roughly infinite percent.
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Read the Verve article. Didn't find anything about DirectX D3D. So please link or quote me something that will explain how all the DX games will work in a non-DirectX environment.

I also can't think of any games that truly interact with Steam besides a DirectX injection (or whatever the OpenGL equivalent is) to show their overlay. Messaging, invites, all that stuff isn't really integrated into games. I guess Dota 2 has some of that functionality. Xbox Live has that built into tons of games. =)
it HAS to be in every game or else it isn't allowed to be on the console.
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it HAS to be in every game or else it isn't allowed to be on the console.
I was referring to games that didn't need the Xbox guide overlay to be opened to invite friends. Such as in the Halos and CoDs.

I am also thinking MS might offer a Skype app eventually. Cross platform calls would be great.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:59 PM   #260
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I was referring to games that didn't need the Xbox guide overlay to be opened to invite friends. Such as in the Halos and CoDs.

I am also thinking MS might offer a Skype app eventually. Cross platform calls would be great.
ooooh i gotcha. i was thinking you just meant the games are live enabled so you can invite from in game and stuff.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:01 AM   #262
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BigPicture Mode for Steam, that we all can run *RIGHT NOW*- is the SteamBox software. It is going to run on the same hardware platform, it will run on either of the major PC OSs. The Steam library, *RIGHT NOW*, is the library the SteamBox will *launch* with. I haven't come close to testing anywhere near enough games, I'd say the 360/PS3 may have a decent edge at the moment over seamless Steam integration, but claiming infinite percentage is just letting your tard flag fly



Plenty in there if you follow the market at all in the slightest way. Shield, Grid, Miracast, Post Kepler devices- all of these things have had massive amounts of press coverage on how they tie in with Steam(here's a hint- they all revolve around D3D). If you just want to cheerlead MicroSoft, don't bother following the market.

I apologize for not being a platform bigot like the majority, I game on everything and keep my eye on everything. The SteamBox platform is interesting to me because it is a device that bridges all the formats together. It may fail horribly, but it is certainly an interesting approach and at the very least it has the best online services going for it.
Miracast is networking displays and has little to do with D3D. Shield is about processing something and streaming it to another device. This, again, has nothing to do with being able to run D3D games unless you have a PC running Windows streaming to your SteamBox. The other two don't bring up anything looking to be what you're speaking of in google right off the bat.

So, again, it won't have the ability to play all the PC exclusives that aren't available on Linux already, which is a huge drawback (one that I think is a big fail because having all PC games become console games with a SteamBox would be a huge selling point).

My other point about Steam having 1 games I can think of that has actual Steam functions integrated into the game, you have yet to address. I am not talking about the overlay. That isn't integration. That is a Direct X injection and not integrated. Dota 2 is the only game I can invite Steam friends from within the game.
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Dota 2 is the only game I can invite Steam friends from within the game.
You can join someone's game from within Borderlands 2. It's probably one of the better Steam integrations that I've seen... excluding any Valve games.
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For those that like the 360 controller sticks better- honest question, were you born deformed? .
Yeah, no fanboy here.

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You can join someone's game from within Borderlands 2. It's probably one of the better Steam integrations that I've seen... excluding any Valve games.
I didn't play BL2.
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The 360 controller is also the most popular controller on the PC too, I just don't understand why. The analog sticks are at differing angles, it just never made anything close to sense to me and has always been very awkward to twist my wrists in differing directions to deal with how unwieldy they are.
The 360 controller is the most ergonomic one available at the moment.

If you relax your hands, your thumbs will rest naturally on the left stick and the buttons on the right.

With the PS3 pad, your thumbs rest naturally on the D-Pad and the buttons on the right.

Awful design that really needs to be changed.
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The 360 controller is the most ergonomic one available at the moment.

If you relax your hands, your thumbs will rest naturally on the left stick and the buttons on the right.

With the PS3 pad, your thumbs rest naturally on the D-Pad and the buttons on the right.

Awful design that really needs to be changed.
They need to make a a hybrid of both the Xbox and PS3 controller. I love the button/stick placement of the Xbox controller but they need to integrate the battery and make it lighter like the PS3 and fix the dpad as well.
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They need to make a a hybrid of both the Xbox and PS3 controller. I love the button/stick placement of the Xbox controller but they need to integrate the battery and make it lighter like the PS3 and fix the dpad as well.
check out http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o02_s00_i00 ... my top complaints about it were:

no removeable battery (compared to the xbox, when I can just snap in a new rechargeable battery pack when I'm getting low instead of having to constantly reconnect the controller to the console)

too light compared to the xbox (again, I like the weight that the battery adds)

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for those of you who have trouble finding xbox live for prices less than $60/yr...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-Xb...item35c2b2696b
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My oldest son does(he's 17). I dropped gold years ago, I couldn't stand the junior neo nazi environment that is the norm on gold, every time I played anything I'd have to put almost everyone on ignore, wasn't for me. But that is simply a function of the market MS caters to, the PS3 has the downside that most people don't talk at all, so you rarely get to have any conversation versus rarely getting to have a tollerable one. Honestly, if PSN charged for online play I would have dropped that too by now, Steam just kills them both for online play anyway.
This makes a lot more sense to me where you're at on what's important to online playing for you. I rarely go to public matches on Live so I miss all the kids running around talking smack. It is a fair enough point, but to me online aspects of a console include a lot more than just the ability to play games, that's a bare bones version of a console that's a given. (not a given as in free, just a given that a console with a online can do it)


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One platform gives you the choice, one doesn't. If it doesn't matter to you then that is utterly valid, but it is a rather major feature that the 360 lacks that the PS3 has(I say that based on the billions of dollars in BRD revenue, clearly lots of people are buying).
For me it's more than just movies, I also include things like the HBO app which allows me to watch more content that isn't available on Netflix or Amazon. Even things like Xbox Smartglass is part of the Live experience (from my point of view) so that's why I prefer it to others. I do however now understand better that it's not something you do, so I can understand how it has no value to you.

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Everything the 360 does, doesn't quite have the same deals as PSN+ but overall it also offers the best value. It also allows me to buy a game coming out in a week and have it insalled on my PC ready to go the second it goes live. It also allows me to trade game items amongst my friends via Steam and I'm not getting bombed with ads. And it is free. That is a big deal to me as it offers more then the 360- and cost nothing. I don't mind paying for something if it has a value that I see as worth it- just for what I want Steam gives me everything from a gaming perspective for free while both MS and Sony have things I'm not terribly fond of in their online services and for best experience you need to pay for either of them. That isn't a good deal or close to it IMO.
Here's where I got a bit confused before, as I said for me Steam doesn't do everything Live does. Not even close, it may do the bare bones online gaming stuff, while important isn't all PS and Xbox do online. The Ads thing I go back and forth about, on one hand I don't like someone adding ads to my screen, but on the other they've never been distracting to me. I would like to point out, Steam advertises to me as well. The sales they're having, or new games available show up. It's just more focused (and I don't debate not as obtrusive) advertising.

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The platform exists, the form factor doesn't. Big difference. I'm using the platform right now.
If Big Picture is what's coming with the Steam box then they have a lot of ground to make up. Both PS and the Xbox offer a lot more than just games, even Nintendo offers more and from all accounts they're struggling to get this new system of theirs taken seriously as a platform.
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for those of you who have trouble finding xbox live for prices less than $60/yr...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-Xb...item35c2b2696b
Came here to post the same.
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The 360 controller is the most ergonomic one available at the moment.

If you relax your hands, your thumbs will rest naturally on the left stick and the buttons on the right.

With the PS3 pad, your thumbs rest naturally on the D-Pad and the buttons on the right.

Awful design that really needs to be changed.
The Xbox controller's triggers also feel more better than the PS3's R2/L2 buttons. They always just feel like Sony said "oh me too, we have triggers too!" and never really put a lot of thought into the design. For games that rely more on both sticks (FPS, Dark Souls, and such) I wish the right stick was where the buttons were on the 360 though. That is where your thumb naturally rests.
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for those of you who have trouble finding xbox live for prices less than $60/yr...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-Xb...item35c2b2696b
Can you post me a good Playstation+ deal next?
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Can you post me a good Playstation+ deal next?
i have quite a few 3 month trials i'd be willing to unload for a pretty low price.
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