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View Poll Results: Should we toss Albany and NYC?
Yes 19 65.52%
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:46 PM   #1
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Default Upstate/Western NY residents- I think it's time to tell Albany to screw off -with pol

For forever now we have been second class citizens subservient to the will of NYC and their puppets in albany.

I think we need to split the state up since there is clearly a conflict.

Wish me luck, I'm going to try a poll using my phone.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:48 PM   #2
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I agree with you OP, Its time people put a stop to this nonsense. There are too many elites and liberals who imposing their will onto others, just look at gun control
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:48 PM   #3
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Hey looks like brother in law will have to send me his 30 round mags for his AR-15 thanks to your idiots running the state. I say thank you He doesnt know anything about guns though and is unsafe given he is in Army and just went through special forces training.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:51 PM   #4
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Hey looks like brother in law will have to send me his 30 round mags for his AR-15 thanks to your idiots running the state. I say thank you He doesnt know anything about guns though and is unsafe given he is in Army and just went through special forces training.
Mine are in safekeeping in another state. Good luck on your part though.
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I realize you're just venting, because you know this will never happen.

It's a very common feeling among those who live in territories that have one big metro center but are not part of that center. I used to live in Massachusetts, and everyone outside the I-495 corridor had similar sentiments towards Boston. People in rural Ontario resent Torontonians, etc.

The solution is to move to a state where there is no big dog to wag its tail. Vermont serves that purpose for me, but ironically, we even get a bit of it here -- most of the population is in the Burlington area, and people "down south" like me get a bit ignored.

Given what I know about you, New Hampshire or Maine would be good places to consider. (But beware southeastern NH, which has been turning into an exurb of Boston for decades.)
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:04 PM   #7
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Yeah, why should downstate keep pouring billions into the failed economies of upstate and western NY?
I say let them go the way of Detroit and those southern rural areas where they at least have shown the ability to compete in the manufacture of meth.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:22 PM   #8
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For forever now we have been second class citizens subservient to the will of NYC and their puppets in albany.

I think we need to split the state up since there is clearly a conflict.

Wish me luck, I'm going to try a poll using my phone.
This is like one fat chick telling another that she's ugly.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:18 PM   #9
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Yeah, why should downstate keep pouring billions into the failed economies of upstate and western NY?
I say let them go the way of Detroit and those southern rural areas where they at least have shown the ability to compete in the manufacture of meth.
Please let us. Consider that folks like you have screwed over the middle class and have driven business away, causing taxes to be higher on us than anywhere else, with thousand a month in taxes alone on a 200k home, not to mention the other crushing ones and conflicting and illogical system of regulations. I'll tell you what, you are close to Albany/NYC environs. You take them and they can do for you what they've done for us. You'll love it.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:23 PM   #10
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I realize you're just venting, because you know this will never happen.

It's a very common feeling among those who live in territories that have one big metro center but are not part of that center. I used to live in Massachusetts, and everyone outside the I-495 corridor had similar sentiments towards Boston. People in rural Ontario resent Torontonians, etc.

The solution is to move to a state where there is no big dog to wag its tail. Vermont serves that purpose for me, but ironically, we even get a bit of it here -- most of the population is in the Burlington area, and people "down south" like me get a bit ignored.

Given what I know about you, New Hampshire or Maine would be good places to consider. (But beware southeastern NH, which has been turning into an exurb of Boston for decades.)
Lived in VT near Middlebury for several years (thats why I know about guns there) and Hanover NH before that. Of the many states I've lived in NH was my favorite although I liked VT too. MA wasn't so bad compared to NY. They were liberal but not so dismissive of it's citizens and not half so authoritarian. We're serfs here.
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For forever now we have been second class citizens subservient to the will of NYC and their puppets in albany.

I think we need to split the state up since there is clearly a conflict.

Wish me luck, I'm going to try a poll using my phone.
I have some friends who live in the southern tier and they're looking to move to Pa. Quite a few of their coworkers already live there as it's just a 20 mile drive to work.
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BTW Charles, I know about the politics of VT. "Burlington is a lovely city and it's so close to Vermont".
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I have some friends who live in the southern tier and they're looking to move to Pa. Quite a few of their coworkers already live there as it's just a 20 mile drive to work.
If it wasn't for my wife's job i'd probably relocate to western PA.
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For forever now we have been second class citizens subservient to the will of NYC and their puppets in albany.

I think we need to split the state up since there is clearly a conflict.

Wish me luck, I'm going to try a poll using my phone.
I was born in NYC and lived there for 17 years and really considered NYC as the totality of New York State... Upstate was sorta the woods... hehehe

But, today New York has what 19+ million folks and NYC about 8+ million. It seems to me that there are more representatives north of NYC than in it. That ratio ought to provide parity at least for the rest of the State. Given that you are at odds with it all it must not be as clear cut as that.

Here in California we'd like to divorce the North from the South but that won't happen either... So. Cal is very different than the North and even more so with the east about 15 miles from the coast from North to South.

There is no way we'd be allowed two additional Senators as would be the case in NY.

I'm not sure why folks live where they do... Even Montana has about 15 or 20 residents but I've no idea why.

Maybe if the State gave land grants to some of the population of the City it would make life more bearable up there.

New York is not the Empire State for no reason....
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But, today New York has what 19+ million folks and NYC about 8+ million. It seems to me that there are more representatives north of NYC than in it. That ratio ought to provide parity at least for the rest of the State. Given that you are at odds with it all it must not be as clear cut as that.
NYC and the rest of Long island is about 11 Million. So upstate can only have 8 million in total.

So the population of NYC is about the same as ALL of upstate NY.
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NYC and the rest of Long island is about 11 Million. So upstate can only have 8 million in total.

So the population of NYC is about the same as ALL of upstate NY.
You can have long island too. 10% or more of gross household income going to property taxes alone is ridiculous.
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Good luck with that, you would need it and it wouldn't get anywhere given how little overall support there is.

I know you are frustrated over the NY laws. You should be.

I think gun owners in NY have only one recourse which is to immediately challenge on a constitutional basis some of the new laws. Greater public support will not be behind you--look at how many voted for the law and much of the public is behind them. You need to challenge in court certain provisions of the law that contradict federal law, 2nd and 14th amendments: particularly in recent years state laws on handguns have been overruled on these grounds.

I think the AWB will stand but the 7 round mag is entirely in the crosshairs of a potential overrule. It clearly inhibits your 2nd amendment right to self defense.
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Ya gotta love it here. Come for the lovely winter weather, stay for the high taxes. We bounce around between the top 2 spots for property, state income, gas and sales taxes and still have a hard time balancing our budget.
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I wish you gun nuts would get your act together.

I read all the time that banning 30 round mags is pointless because smaller mags can just be swapped out quickly.

But people get so pissed off about it they want to start a civil war, break up states, store their mags in other states..

So somebody is either crazy, or lying.
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I wish you gun nuts would get your act together.

I read all the time that banning 30 round mags is pointless because smaller mags can just be swapped out quickly.

But people get so pissed off about it they want to start a civil war, break up states, store their mags in other states..

So somebody is either crazy, or lying.
There's another option. someone is stupid.
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Would you be willing to be annexed by another state?
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There's another option. someone is stupid.
It would seem he doesn't get the point at all, but then again he thinks those with household incomes of 50k paying 6k in property taxes (not to mention other ones) are the greedy wealthy who don't want pay their fair share to live in this "paradise". Go figure.
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