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Old 11-30-2012, 02:28 PM   #1
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Default Microsoft Security Essentials loses AV-Test certificate

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...st-certificate

I hope an upgrade is on its way soon!
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:07 PM   #2
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Not a surprise... MSE is a pretty terrible product.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:57 AM   #3
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Not a surprise... MSE is a pretty terrible product.
So terrible my PC came up clean even via Eset AV online scanner (they make NOD32),btw good thread at OCUK on MSE http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...1#post23279856 .
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:00 AM   #4
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So is Windows Defender in Win 8 that replaced MSE an upgraded version of MSE or the same repackaged???

Did a little searching and found this:
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/sec...-features/7900

It states that "This version of Windows Defender will also have improved performance and a smaller memory/CPU footprint." Versus what, the old Defender, which was worthless, or MSE???

And this:
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8...out-of-the-box
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:01 AM   #5
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It's fine for very basic protection but as the tests show it's detection and clean rate is pretty poor. I recommended it when it first came out but haven't in a very long time. Avast is usually my go-to for free AV.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:32 PM   #6
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they spent $1.5 billion on advertising windows 8 and yet they are letting the antivirus go to waste?

it kinda looks like they aren't taking security seriously... or could this be one more move towards 'souring the milk' on windows 7?

* DirectX 11.1 (not in 7)
* Taking Bulit in security seriously (not in 7?)
* What's next?
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:52 PM   #7
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they spent $1.5 billion on advertising windows 8 and yet they are letting the antivirus go to waste?

it kinda looks like they aren't taking security seriously... or could this be one more move towards 'souring the milk' on windows 7?

* DirectX 11.1 (not in 7)
* Taking Bulit in security seriously (not in 7?)
* What's next?
Microsoft has always had ADD related to consumer security stuff. They'll act like they are getting serious about it for a time, then their attention flags and the products will totally disappear.

In short, business as usual. . . .

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Old 12-10-2012, 08:42 PM   #8
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i got a chuckle out of this
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:35 AM   #9
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That makes me feel great. Now I'm scared shitless about malware and viruses that MSE can't deal with. Ignorance is (was?) bliss.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:55 AM   #10
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http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...st-certificate

I hope an upgrade is on its way soon!
thanks for the info
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:00 AM   #11
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It's fine for very basic protection but as the tests show it's detection and clean rate is pretty poor. I recommended it when it first came out but haven't in a very long time. Avast is usually my go-to for free AV.
I would never use avast for the simple (wrong) reason it sounds like it's something to do with pirates lol

I live on the coast so avast me hearties i don't do pirates
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:01 PM   #12
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is anything better than Kasperskey?
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:19 PM   #13
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Avira Free Antivirus 2013 new version 13.0.0.2890 just released; now with Windows 8 compatability:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Avira_Free...irus_d955.html
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:04 PM   #14
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Avira Free Antivirus 2013 new version 13.0.0.2890 just released; now with Windows 8 compatability:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Avira_Free...irus_d955.html
I dumped Avira when they started putting in those nagging advertisement boxes in the corner that *steal focus from all other programs*. The once-a-day splash screen was tolerable, my AV stealing program focus to advertise to me every 30 minutes causing some fullscreen apps to crash? No thanks.

Their official response? Not a bug, buy the full version!

The other thing to keep in mind from the article is that MSE's score was only .5 points below certification, and it lost most of its points due to lack of detection on zero-day threats. Zero-day threats only stay "zero-day" for between a day and a week before all major AV products have updated detection signatures for that threat. Could you make an argument that zero-day threats are the most important part of AV? Sure, but i'd say the counter argument in this case is that practically every zero-day threat is detected by some AVs and not by others, and which AVs detect each new threat is completely different. They all miss stuff, none of them are perfect, and it only makes sense that the dedicated AV research firms like Kaspersky and Norton/Symantec are better at catching more of those zero-day threats than a side-project of Microsoft. The rest of them are simply a definition update away from catching the latest threats, and these benchmark test scores can shift drastically from week to week depending on when they test and how they choose to test with *all* products tested.

For those serious power users doing all sorts of online banking, shopping, and potentially unsafe browsing, yeah, they should probably have some sort of paid-for protection. For keeping grandma's PC safe while she browses allrecipes.com and plays solitaire? There's still nothing wrong with MSE.

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Old 12-12-2012, 03:00 PM   #15
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Avira Free Antivirus 2013 new version 13.0.0.2890 just released; now with Windows 8 compatability:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Avira_Free...irus_d955.html
Panda Cloud Antivirus free version is better then Avira,works with Win8 x64 etc...


http://www.cloudantivirus.com/en/forHome/
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As I age, I start laughing at myself for listening to all the crap about 'this AV is better protection' or 'this one caught 2% more viruses than that one.'

I haven't had a virus in forever. Why? I don't download questionable material. I don't go to questionable sites. I don't open emails from people I don't know or don't expect to receive email from.

It's not really that hard.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:25 PM   #17
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As I age, I start laughing at myself for listening to all the crap about 'this AV is better protection' or 'this one caught 2% more viruses than that one.'

I haven't had a virus in forever. Why? I don't download questionable material. I don't go to questionable sites. I don't open emails from people I don't know or don't expect to receive email from.

It's not really that hard.
I think a lot of people use common sense however some don't ,however AV is just another added layer of protection/security,also remember some AVs have lighter footprints(use less resources) then others so its not all about detection rates,as a gamer myself this is an important aspect with regards to using low resources.
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I think a lot of people use common sense however some don't ,however AV is just another added layer of protection/security,also remember some AVs have lighter footprints(use less resources) then others so its not all about detection rates,as a gamer myself this is an important aspect with regards to using low resources.
Yes, this is why I switched to Microsoft this year. I used Avira for years, but it kept getting bulkier and bulkier.
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As I age, I start laughing at myself for listening to all the crap about 'this AV is better protection' or 'this one caught 2% more viruses than that one.'

I haven't had a virus in forever. Why? I don't download questionable material. I don't go to questionable sites. I don't open emails from people I don't know or don't expect to receive email from.

It's not really that hard.
I don't drive fast and practice defensive driving but I'm damn glad that I have airbags and seatbelts!

(Point being: All it takes is one wrong click, especially by someone else using your PC (like my children)).
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I don't drive fast and practice defensive driving but I'm damn glad that I have airbags and seatbelts!

(Point being: All it takes is one wrong click, especially by someone else using your PC (like my children)).
That's why I have a virtual machine, and a user password. But I do see your point.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:36 AM   #21
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Any other w8 av to recommend ?
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:16 PM   #22
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Panda Cloud Antivirus free version is better then Avira,works with Win8 x64 etc...


http://www.cloudantivirus.com/en/forHome/

Panda and pretty much any cloud based AV is light enough on resources that there is really no excuse for not using it on top of whatever AV you currently have.

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Old 12-14-2012, 12:34 PM   #23
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I don't drive fast and practice defensive driving but I'm damn glad that I have airbags and seatbelts!

(Point being: All it takes is one wrong click, especially by someone else using your PC (like my children)).

That's why I only allow my kids to be on the Guest account on my computer, which is locked down tight.
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Microsoft Security Essentials Fails Antivirus Certification Test For Second Time In A Row; Microsoft Disputes The Results

http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-sec...osoft-disputes
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