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Old 01-17-2013, 10:35 AM   #26
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Just like in the States you get different stories, it makes some people wonder which is the more accurate one.

http://www.canada.com/opinion/column...377/story.html

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By Terry Glavin, Ottawa Citizen January 16, 2013



Let’s say that somehow, the eruption we’ve all agreed to call Idle No More results in a historic breakthrough between Ottawa and Canada’s diverse and deeply troubled First Nations.

Let’s say the covenant recognizes and affirms aboriginal and treaty rights and contains a specific, collaborative action plan to deal with the urgent challenges of aboriginal childhood education, economic development, First Nations governance and accountability. Plus it comes with a startup $275 million just to be sure the rubber hits the road. And it’s announced at a historic gathering in Ottawa with the senior First Nations chiefs, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and even Governor-General David Johnston.

Now let’s say along comes an obstructionist “movement” that masquerades as militant but is really a minority faction of eccentric and reactionary Indian band chiefs who are hopelessly devoted to the status quo. They set out to methodically undermine the agreement. They hijack the work plan. Within a year they’ve pretty well sabotaged the whole thing.

You would not know it for all the pageantry and the rhetoric about genocide and treaties and insurrection, but that’s just one untold story of Idle No More so far. There was such an agreement. It was called the Joint Action Plan, dated June 9, 2011. It was systematically derailed, piece by piece, and its saboteurs are now among the loudest and most theatrical characters in the Idle No More drama.

It’s what British Columbia regional chief Jody Wilson-Raybould was talking about when she told the CBC last Sunday: “No one should use those movements as political opportunities to play power politics within the AFN.” But the opportunities have been taken, the power politics have been played, and for all the unhinged activist denunciations of the ruling Conservatives, it is the Assembly of First Nations that has been nearly riven asunder by all this.
It is not our sinister genius of a prime minister who’s in sick bay on doctor’s orders this week (pollster Ipsos-Reid reported Tuesday that the prime minister’s approval ratings are just fine). It’s Shawn Atleo, the visionary 46-year-old AFN national chief and co-author of the 2011 Joint Action Plan. Chief Atleo is expected to be off work pulling knives out of his back for perhaps two weeks.

This is not to traduce those four Saskatoon women whose earnest if unhelpfully paranoid reading of the 457-page parliamentary indignity packaged as Bill C-45 set off the Idle No More flash mobs in the first place. And great tribute is owed those thousands of aboriginal people who have marched in the snow, jingle danced at the mall and paraded down Main Street.

But to regard every harmless sidewalk gathering of drummers and singers as somehow ominously newsworthy is tolerable only until actual “news” occurs and it isn’t even noticed. Like last Sunday, when Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan unveiled a $330.8-million investment in water and sewer systems in First Nations communities across the country, along with a long-term strategy to fix the drinking-water mess that afflicts so many Indian reserves.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:37 AM   #27
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Personally interested in moving to Canada. Is that tough? Any special barriers to entry?
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:40 AM   #28
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I hear they make you chug 2 liters of maple syrup while riding a horse backwards.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:58 AM   #29
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:27 AM   #30
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:48 PM   #31
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@Saint Nick: it depends on your skills and, to a great extent, where you come from. And whether you can withstand cold weather.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:54 PM   #32
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And whether you can withstand cold weather.
An enormous and varying country. Depends upon what one considers to be cold and when.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:54 PM   #33
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Personally interested in moving to Canada. Is that tough? Any special barriers to entry?
Do it illegally. The world loves that sort of stuff, right?
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:01 PM   #34
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I like OilKan's reply better! LOL!
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:02 PM   #35
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By the way, the OP's fantasy is out of touch with reality to declare that Canada as being "free" thanks to the USA. By the recorded history, Canada remains free due to the past aggressive failings by the USA in its past expansionist intentions against its northern neighbour. All post New France defensive forts in this region had the sole defensive purpose against ONLY US aggression. That said, no other state other than the USA had nor retains the ability to act in terms of territorial aggression against British North American/Canadian territory. I am not stating that USA may act again against Canada, but the recorded history is that it was the only state that has.

Let me reaffirm. The OP is wrong. Canada is free not thanks to but despite the USA. Canada is a free state due to that of the will of Canadians, geographical happenstance, and finally that of US failings.

...This post ought to tweak the jingoistic hearts among some of our southern neighbours who don't dare face what may be deemed as 'bad'...
To be fair the US never invaded Canada after 1867. Previous to that we were attacking the UK
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I like OilKan's reply better! LOL!
oil-kan... ROLF, that was actually funny
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I think we could learn from each other. We have a government-run healthcare system that is the envy of the world.

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Old 01-17-2013, 01:28 PM   #39
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The EU has better social and health care system, and more residents than entire North America together.

I was on the operating table like 5 times in my life and never paid a shit, everything free.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:56 PM   #40
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The US is obviously a much better place to live than Canada...in fact it's the best nation on this planet!

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Old 01-17-2013, 02:27 PM   #42
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My brother did an extensive doctor exchanges in a Canadian hospitals. He says it was like being in a third world country.
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The EU has better social and health care system, and more residents than entire North America together.

I was on the operating table like 5 times in my life and never paid a shit, everything free.
I wish it was that way here....a person could easily loose their whole life savings due to a catastrophic illness or in a worse case scenario die without being to afford proper treatment.
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I wish it was that way here....a person could easily loose their whole life savings due to a catastrophic illness or in a worse case scenario die without being to afford proper treatment.
It's a pity because in EU states, everyone who works pays mandatory monthly or weekly fee(for me it is $75 a month for health insurance). People who are not yet working (students <26), unemployed but registered at department of labor and retirees have health insurance covered fully by state. Medications, cures and aid tools are covered partially, rest the patient pays, but in most cases it's not big deal and you pay few bucks extra for your meds. The insurance and registration fees for motor vehicles are also greatly lower than in North America.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:07 PM   #46
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Canada doesn't even have full free speech, Just look at what happened to this guy who was brought up to a human rights tribunal because of some cartoons he posted

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/can...html?id=303895
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Canada doesn't even have full free speech, Just look at what happened to this guy who was brought up to a human rights tribunal because of some cartoons he posted

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/can...html?id=303895
As Mr. Levant, you are a dishonest and Muslim-hating troll... Once again caught misrepresenting a link that you present:

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"Over the two years that we have gone through the process, I understand that most Canadians see this as an issue of freedom of speech, that that principle is sacred and holy in our society,” said Soharwardy, president of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada.

I believe Canadian society is mature enough not to absorb the messages that the cartoons sent. Only a very small fraction of Canadian media decided to publish those cartoons.”

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Mr. Levant said he plans to launch a civil lawsuit against Mr. Soharwardy to recover the tens of thousands of dollars he said he has spent battling the complaint.

“I put in at least 100 hours fighting this guy. He may want to run away from this issue, but I’m not going to. His values are out of sync with Canadian society.”

Mr. Soharwardy said he had received a number of “hateful” e-mails after the cartoons were published locally.

He said he knows some of his supporters will see his decision as backing away from a fight.

“But I hope people see this as a positive action, that it will create better feelings between Muslims and all Canadians,” Mr. Soharwardy said.

“I’m not giving up working in the front lines. But I feel at this time withdrawing the complaint is the right thing to do.”

After the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada filed the complaints against the two publications in 2006, Mr. Soharwardy and Jewish Free Press publisher Richard Bronstein met with a human rights commission mediator in March 2007. They settled their dispute with a handshake and Mr. Soharwardy withdrew his complaint. Mr. Bronstein later spoke to Muslims at a meeting at the mosque where Mr. Soharwardy serves as imam.

“I think Syed got something out of this process, too,” said Mr. Bronstein. “I think this kind of complaint harmed his interests more than it helped.

There’s a widespread belief in the public that people don’t want to hear offensive speech all the time. But to some degree, we have to permit it in our society if we’re going to have freedom of speech.

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Oh, and Incorruptible, Canada does not have "full freedom of speech," as I don't believe any country does. Thankfully Canadian society is generally mature enough to strike a civilised balance against inciting hatred and freedom of speech.

Now upon your fellow Muslim-hating and trollish fav Ezra Levant, let's examine another 'free speech' issue where he became centre of attention:

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Ezra Levant ruling: On Canadian TV you can’t tell someone to have relations with their mother, even in Spanish

In a war over words, Canada’s broadcast standards council is striking down Sun News Network’s defence of an on-air insult.

The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council has decided talk show host Ezra Levant crossed a line and violated a voluntary code of ethics when he aimed a “personal and particularly coarse” insult at the executive of a multinational food company.

“Defending one’s opinions with vigour and even some aggression is not to be confused with personal insults and coarseness,” the council said in a decision released Wednesday.
I think such a rational ruling ought to be adopted for this forum as well.
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:42 PM   #49
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i am proud that i am NOT canadian
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