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Old 01-07-2013, 04:53 AM   #1
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Thumbs up AMD Trinity and iGPU performance, not bad!

Last month, I toyed with the APU processors, namely AMD A10-5800K. While tuning the APU is not paid in fiber (since it will be at an unnamed site article), I have prepared for you at least demonstration performance GPU after overclocking. I think that you play nicely with a lower model A10-5600K, which has a slightly weaker video card and on how badly will not be the weakest integrated Radeon HD 7480D. He, however, I would recommend for 1280x1024 resolution or other offshoots 1280x XXX.
Yet it has a base power of HD 7660D in the base more than decent performance and power are often close to popular Geoforce GTX/9800GT 8800. It should be noted in the same breath that the integrated graphics accelerator advantage of frequency memory and make less than 1600 MHz for this set is bare ignorance. Then preferably native 1866 MHz or 2133 MHz XMP.
GPU overclocking is through the BIOS, unlocked APU advantage is the possibility to have a gf card unlocked upwards. OC potential reader is approximately 300 MHz iGPU for all cards in the Trinity APU. Random graph from one review I will now, Unreal Tournament 3 still looks fairly well and play well for full details with integrated graphics just two years ago was unthinkable ...



But back to the original consideration. If bduete clocked AMD Trinity and its iGPU, I recommend:
- unlocked CPU + average or good record and a good record (about 1800-3100 CZK) - locked CPU + high quality board (Asus F2A85-M Pro)
-at least 1866 MHz memory and try to overclock it further, preferring to hold the command rate on the value of 2T and try to reach higher memory frequencies
GPU-OC at around 1 GHz, this velvet usually achieved easily, do not forget to increase at a higher voltage APUNB, around 1.35-1.4V is completely safe
-if you also clocked processor, then count with a limit around 4300 MHz (BOX cooler) to 4,600 MHz (decent air cooler). With a bit of luck (a little big), you have a very good processor that you can say up to 4800 MHz.

And games? From a practical test, if only in a few games and utilities can be concluded that the games a few years old, you can really play at a high resolution of 1920x1080 with maximum detail (but mostly without AA / AF). In modern titles you can find two options, some still pull away at 1920x1080 and decent detail, while others such as AVP you lose detail, off AA / AF and Holt tesalaci or reduce the resolution up to 1680x1050. Even so, the gaming experience is worth it. Even after Battlefiled 3, OC run-up on average 30 + FPS at 1680x1050, the details are brought to their low. The game still looked very good.

Finally, with a test kit I made a few videos. Of course in addition to AMD A10-5800K was necessary decent cooler Noctua NHD14 that all safely uchladil, motherboard Asus F2A85-V Pro, and megalomaniacal AX1200W source, which is too much for such an assembly Oversized ....


[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WS8vEqnvzw[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7NmydOzzuc[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQSG_MLXCzM[/VIDEO]

[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9xCuHFGCzM[/VIDEO]

The video quality as my camera and dark room, where the sun shines too: (.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:06 AM   #2
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must go dual channel!
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???

It was in dualchannle, of course... 2x 4GB GSkill TridentX
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Old 01-07-2013, 07:14 AM   #4
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the cost of a noctua cooler, the high end overclocking motherboard and the small saving from going down to dd3 1600 buys you a video card and a faster processor

apus are good value (I can't believe how a poor llano a6 tricore can run mass effect 3 at 1920*1200) but when you buy expensive cooling to get the maximum oc on a budget platform then you're just wasting money
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:35 AM   #5
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not for me... ,-)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...?83406-FlanK3r

I think todays prices for 1866 DDR3 memory is nothing... 2x 4GB DRAM are so cheap! ANd cooling? Ok Noctua is too much. But example Gelid Tranquillo is in Czech republic very popular and this is still good cooler for Trinity.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:52 AM   #6
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the cost of a noctua cooler, the high end overclocking motherboard and the small saving from going down to dd3 1600 buys you a video card and a faster processor

apus are good value (I can't believe how a poor llano a6 tricore can run mass effect 3 at 1920*1200) but when you buy expensive cooling to get the maximum oc on a budget platform then you're just wasting money

Good luck running GDDR3 or DDR3+iGPU anything at 1080p. Trinity or Llano can't do it as well at decent FPS. We will be memory bandwidth limited until we step up to DDR4. If you run 720p then Llano and Trinity performs well with current games.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:06 AM   #7
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the cost of a noctua cooler, the high end overclocking motherboard and the small saving from going down to dd3 1600 buys you a video card and a faster processor

apus are good value (I can't believe how a poor llano a6 tricore can run mass effect 3 at 1920*1200) but when you buy expensive cooling to get the maximum oc on a budget platform then you're just wasting money

1866 MHz 2x 4GB are todays very cheap example. Difference 1600 vs 1866/2133 is in Czech republic about 100CZK thats mean about 5 dollars .
And very popular is cooler Gelid Tranquillo, still very good cooler for Trinity and some OC. My situation is else...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...?83406-FlanK3r

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Old 01-07-2013, 09:29 AM   #8
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Good luck running GDDR3 or DDR3+iGPU anything at 1080p. Trinity or Llano can't do it as well at decent FPS. We will be memory bandwidth limited until we step up to DDR4. If you run 720p then Llano and Trinity performs well with current games.
I can play some games at 1080p with 30fps+ (medium/low IQ settings) with Llano A8-3870K with 800MHz in the iGPU and 1866MHz memory.
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Good luck running GDDR3 or DDR3+iGPU anything at 1080p. Trinity or Llano can't do it as well at decent FPS. We will be memory bandwidth limited until we step up to DDR4. If you run 720p then Llano and Trinity performs well with current games.
GDDR3 is actually like a souped-up DDR2, and DDR2 is slower than DDR3.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:57 AM   #10
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1866 MHz 2x 4GB are todays very cheap example. Difference 1600 vs 1866/2133 is in Czech republic about 100CZK thats mean about 5 dollars .
And very popular is cooler Gelid Tranquillo, still very good cooler for Trinity and some OC. My situation is else...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...?83406-FlanK3r

My point is that for the same money of an overclocking fm2 board you could get a basic am3 or intel model, pair it up with a budget cpu and a cheap gpu and you'd get better performance without oc.

Apus would do so much better with more memory channels, but amd still loves selling discreet gpu cards.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:28 AM   #11
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Well for what Frank (flank) is showing I don't think you can do better than what he is showing . Its a good budget setup . Thats all he is saying . Sure you can build bigger badder setups but it will cost . He did well here.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:51 AM   #12
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Hay flank you sure you want to use igpu to discribe an AMD apu. Its the way I perferr it integrated graphics processing unit sounds right to me .
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:30 PM   #13
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ANd there is full article about AMD Trinity tweaking (google translate). Hope, you will like it and maybe some people find here new information about AMD Trinity.

http://translate.google.cz/translate...-na-desce-asus

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Old 01-09-2013, 04:07 PM   #14
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^Google does a surprisingly good job of translating Czech to English. I'm surprised.
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yes, google is better and better
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:06 PM   #16
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the 3dmark score is 100-200 points lower than my previous stock 5750 + i3 2100 (which is impressive, considering it has dedicated DDR5 memory, but... the GPU runs a 700MHz) but the CPU side is faster,
power usage was also around 15-20w lower,
cost was probably a lot lower, with cheap single channel 1333 and MB,
so I don't see much sense on some high OC to still be slower than a stock 5750, but it's probably a fun challenge or something.

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with OC "only" at around 4500 MHz and iGPU 95x MHz was power consumption only +20W higher than at default settings . Maybe this is the best OC value for end users.
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with OC "only" at around 4500 MHz and iGPU 95x MHz was power consumption only +20W higher than at default settings . Maybe this is the best OC value for end users.
yes, but performance also takes a significant hit (more on the GPU side),
but I would like to correct my previous post, on idle my old system was 15-20w lower, on load I can't really say for sure (you tested with CB right? that's probably under or around 100w with the I3, the 160-170w power usage was with the OCCT PSU test, playing skyrim it was around 110w), but the VGA was a bit faster, and CPU slower.

anyway, still a quite impressive results for an IGP, but if you are trying to get the most out of the money, a highly OCed trinity system doesn't make much sense I think, still, a cool project...
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with OC "only" at around 4500 MHz and iGPU 95x MHz was power consumption only +20W higher than at default settings . Maybe this is the best OC value for end users.
I didn't read the entire review, but I'm happy with my system; GPU @ 950MHz with no voltage boost, CPU @ stock 3.8GHz and an undervolt to 1.275 from over 1.4x, TurboCore disabled and RAM @ 2133/1.6v.

I am almost certainly using a good bit less power than AMD rates these for and am getting more power out of the system as a whole.
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I didn't read the entire review, but I'm happy with my system; GPU @ 950MHz with no voltage boost, CPU @ stock 3.8GHz and an undervolt to 1.275 from over 1.4x, TurboCore disabled and RAM @ 2133/1.6v.

I am almost certainly using a good bit less power than AMD rates these for and am getting more power out of the system as a whole.
What are you using to cool that?
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The PoS stock HSF, with the RPMs dropped in the BIOS. Now it's quiet. :p

Thinking about a 212 cooler but I think either of them is beyond overkill for an undervolt of an already relatively cool running CPU. Probably just gonna wind up grabbing a beefier AMD HSF from eBay from an Opteron or something.
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