Biden hints at Obama executive order (concerning guns)

[bignateyk]

Originally Posted by K1052

On a related note I've been checking the value of my collection against the gun auction sites. If I sold off just the mags and ammo I could buy a new 3 series BMW.

I think gun nuts and gun dealers secretly love when talk of new regulations surfaces. Lots of $$$ to be made from all the saps panic buying.

[Bowfinger]

Originally Posted by lotus503

what I do like about these threads is the shortcut in demonstrating who is whacked out of their heads.

Lots of Gun lovers not posting insane shit in here

This. I cannot remember another thread that brought out so much shrieking stupid as this. Again, I'm generally pro-gun, but I mostly stay out of 2nd Amendment discussions because its most vocal proponents are hilariously brain damaged and batshit crazy. I don't want to be lumped together with them.

By the way, the title of this thread is an outright lie. Adding a question mark at the end (Fox style) doesn't make it less dishonest. Biden didn't suggest anything whatsoever about repealing the 2nd Amendment. He said the administration is going to act against gun VIOLENCE using some combination of executive order and legislation. (Yes, that's what he said. Try reading all the words.) This paranoid raving about repealing the 2nd just makes you look like fools.

[thraashman]

Originally Posted by BoberFett

Conservative paranoia is pretty amusing, but are you serious? That's what affirms your decision to be liberal? Liberals are just as crazy as conservatives.

You've watch Penn and Teller Bullshit, right? Go to an eco-kook rally and try to get anything resembling scientific fact from that huge group of whacked out stoners who want to ban anything and everything that science has produced because it's not natural.

You're referring to an extreme group that happens to have some of their views fall in line with main stream liberal views. Look at this thread, it's filled with the main stream conservative view sounding paranoid and insane. And I actually have watched Penn and Teller Bullshit a couple times, and the problem is that the show is bullshit. He (whichever is the one that talks) gets facts wrong all the time and thinks if he yells loud enough that makes him right, he's trying to be a less crazy sounding Glenn Beck but he's wrong more often than he's right.

[MixMasterTang]

Originally Posted by monovillage

Are you kidding? Did you actually type that with a straight face?

Let's see, the Vice-President of the United States says the executive branch may use executive powers to sidestep legal law in the country in a video and a few Democrats say there's no reason to debate or discuss what he's proposed until it's already taken effect?

Actually until it is PROPOSED, that's a far cry from waiting until it has taken effect.

[irishScott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K3KN9K-KkQ

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[BoberFett]

Originally Posted by thraashman

You're referring to an extreme group that happens to have some of their views fall in line with main stream liberal views. Look at this thread, it's filled with the main stream conservative view sounding paranoid and insane. And I actually have watched Penn and Teller Bullshit a couple times, and the problem is that the show is bullshit. He (whichever is the one that talks) gets facts wrong all the time and thinks if he yells loud enough that makes him right, he's trying to be a less crazy sounding Glenn Beck but he's wrong more often than he's right.

Riiight, when it's your team, it's just some extreme group, nothing to do your team. But Spidey going insane about Obama is representative of the whole.

It's people like you that reaffirm my choice to avoid mainstream thinking altogether. Most people = idiots. Most people = mainstream. The mainstream = idiots. Congratulations on choosing one brandy of idiocy over another.

[K1052]

Originally Posted by bignateyk

I think gun nuts and gun dealers secretly love when talk of new regulations surfaces. Lots of $$$ to be made from all the saps panic buying.

The nuts generally aren't selling, unless they have duplicates of certain firearms. The dealers have already blown through the obvious stock (any semi-auto rifle and all common calibers of rifle ammo) and the larger frame handguns are going now. Soon they'll all be sitting around in empty stores if they aren't already.

[classy]

Obama is not going to use any kind of executive order....

[corwin]

Aside from the obvious hyperbole of the OP I would bet Obama is going to use an EO to get his new gun ban/magazine restriction enacted, and he wants one really badly and has nothing to lose so it's going to happen...just sucks that I am low on ammo right now and can't seem to find any

[monovillage]

Originally Posted by bignateyk

*Crickets*

Sorry idiot, but if President Obama and/or his administration proposes changes to the law then critics have every right to call him out on it. We don't have to wait for it to be implemented to react.

[Dannar26]

I love how it's branded "insanity" to speculate that the government might just do something that isn't in the best interests of [group].

Today's example: gun owners!

[K1052]

Originally Posted by corwin

Aside from the obvious hyperbole of the OP I would bet Obama is going to use an EO to get his new gun ban/magazine restriction enacted, and he wants one really badly and has nothing to lose so it's going to happen...just sucks that I am low on ammo right now and can't seem to find any

Maybe I should wait another week and liquidate most of my collection. It sure would be nice to pay off the house note...

[MixMasterTang]

Originally Posted by monovillage

Sorry idiot, but if President Obama and/or his administration proposes changes to the law then critics have every right to call him out on it. We don't have to wait for it to be implemented to react.

I think your definition of propose differs from most educated english speaking people.

[monovillage]

Originally Posted by MixMasterTang

Actually until it is PROPOSED, that's a far cry from waiting until it has taken effect.

He's floating a proposal. Sending up a trial balloon?
By reacting with fervor his opposition is letting him know that he can go fuck himself if he thinks it won't be strenuously opposed.

[sandorski]

Hardcore Gun Owners are less Independent than Pavlov's dog. There's going to be a huge spike in Gun/Ammo Sales, people spending money best spent elsewhere, Gun Manufacturers making $Big, and nothing significant will happen from Obama, nevermind Repealing part of the fucking Constitution by signing a piece of paper with some words on it.

Grab a Brain morans.

[thraashman]

Originally Posted by monovillage

He's floating a proposal. Sending up a trial balloon?
By reacting with fervor his opposition is letting him know that he can go fuck himself if he thinks it won't be strenuously opposed.

But he's not. What you're doing is the equivalent of when the BCS said they would look at options to fix the problems, you crying that they were gonna end college football as a sport and cancel all scholarships. It's an extreme overreaction and insinuation of something that hasn't even been close to hinted at.

And yes BoberFett, my side is fucking better. Spidey would have been an extreme example 10 or maybe even 5 years ago, but his brand of crazy has become to main stream of conservatives. Twenty years ago a group as crazy and extreme as the Tea Party would have never even made the local news, now they have multiple members in Congress helping force crazy as fuck policy.

[corwin]

Originally Posted by K1052

Maybe I should wait another week and liquidate most of my collection. It sure would be nice to pay off the house note...

No shit...hell if I give it another month or so I could sell off my spare AR15 stripped lower and buy a new truck

[BoberFett]

Originally Posted by thraashman

And yes BoberFett, my side is fucking better.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Incorruptible]

Originally Posted by thraashman

But he's not. What you're doing is the equivalent of when the BCS said they would look at options to fix the problems, you crying that they were gonna end college football as a sport and cancel all scholarships. It's an extreme overreaction and insinuation of something that hasn't even been close to hinted at.

And yes BoberFett, my side is fucking better. Spidey would have been an extreme example 10 or maybe even 5 years ago, but his brand of crazy has become to main stream of conservatives. Twenty years ago a group as crazy and extreme as the Tea Party would have never even made the local news, now they have multiple members in Congress helping force crazy as fuck policy.

LOL at you thinking your guys are better

[jstern01]

obama is a POS . Here are the links that you requested

NDAA- http://www.salon.com/2013/01/03/obama_signs_ndaa_again/

Reauthorization of the Defense Budget... Every president does it.

Patriot act- http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama...ory?id=8582891

Introduced in the Bush Administration. Why no cries for impeachment then?

Assassination of Awlaki- http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...on-behind.html

Again, I will give you that one, but lets face it Awlaki was a piece of sh!t.

Warrantless eavesdropping- http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50701[/quote]

Again you were okay when it was Bush that was doing it? Why not the outcry for impeaching Bush then

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051500999.html

That o

Killing civilians in Pakistan -http://www.globalresearch.ca/killing-civilians-obamas-drone-war-in-pakistan/5315661

More died in Iraq under Bush and crew by almost a factor of 5 then have died in afghan since Obama has been in office.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/06/08/body-counts/

Violates free speech- http://www.examiner.com/article/obam...ent-regulation

Here is the correct and unbias information about Kathleen Sebelius statement to insurers

The Obama administration, which maintains that health system reform will add no more than 1% to 2% to the cost of premiums, reacted angrily to claims by nonprofit BlueCross BlueShield-affiliated insurers and for-profit insurers -- compiled in a Sept. 8 article in The Wall Street Journal -- that coverage requirements under health system reform are responsible for as much as a 9% increase in proposed individual rates for 2011.

"I urge you to inform your members that there will be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases," Dept. of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius wrote in a Sept. 9 letter to Karen Ignagni, president and CEO of America's Health Insurance Plans, the insurers' trade group.

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/201...0/bisb0920.htm

So she told the industry not to spin lies or misinform. Hmmm sounds like you missed the bus on this one.

[hal2kilo]

Originally Posted by Genx87

Absolutely it was.

I can't stand this foolishness. I personally, have no love for guns, don't lose a minute of sleep knowing I have no gun to protect myself, but this is political madness.

It's like MADD for guns. This will doom any momentum that the Democrats have at this point.

[spidey07]

Originally Posted by jstern01

Here is the correct and unbias information about Kathleen Sebelius statement to insurers

The Obama administration, which maintains that health system reform will add no more than 1% to 2% to the cost of premiums, reacted angrily to claims by nonprofit BlueCross BlueShield-affiliated insurers and for-profit insurers -- compiled in a Sept. 8 article in The Wall Street Journal -- that coverage requirements under health system reform are responsible for as much as a 9% increase in proposed individual rates for 2011.

"I urge you to inform your members that there will be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases," Dept. of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius wrote in a Sept. 9 letter to Karen Ignagni, president and CEO of America's Health Insurance Plans, the insurers' trade group.

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/201...0/bisb0920.htm

So she told the industry not to spin lies or misinform. Hmmm sounds like you missed the bus on this one.

LOL! So the obama administration threatens free industry and 1st amendment to not make the obama admin look bad?

Say it isn't so! That's never happened with this corrupt administration.

And then we have the administration threaten to bypass the 2nd amendment via EO...so there you have it. The rights of people being tramped upon by this administration.

I have sent your post to ATTACK WAAAAAAAATCH! and flag@whitehouse.gov

[sigurros81]

Originally Posted by GTaudiophile

Biden hints at Obama executive order.

How do you get "appeal second amendment" from this vague article?

[corwin]

Originally Posted by hal2kilo

It's like MADD for guns. This will doom any momentum that the Democrats have at this point.

Actually no, it will increase their momentum...just not in the direction they want

[sigurros81]

Originally Posted by hal2kilo

I can't stand this foolishness. I personally, have no love for guns, don't lose a minute of sleep knowing I have no gun to protect myself, but this is political madness.

It's like MADD for guns. This will doom any momentum that the Democrats have at this point.

Fixed.