OCZ Vector PCIe SSD

[christer12]

Now coming OCZ Vector PCIe SSD.

The PCIe x4 (gen 2) slot based storage unit will be based on two controllers and will become available in 240, 480 and 960 GB versions. It's read/write performance is stated to b deliver 1000 MB/sec and random IO perf wise you are looking at a unit that can manage 140,000 IOPS.

[Elixer]

Thanks for the pic, looks like a clean design.
Now, if only I could get one free of charge for "testing".

[AdamK47]

I'd get one as an OS/Boot drive.

[christer12]

And I newly bought a Samsung SSD 840 PRO

Wish Samsung made PCIe SSD

[Mfusick]

SPecs?

[razel]

Nice... I hope it doesn't fall off the map like their Kilaminjaro. Read through their press release, they mention faster booting. I hope it's bootable and if so wonder how they got it bootable. It'd be great if there is a standard.

[groberts101]

Originally Posted by razel

Nice... I hope it doesn't fall off the map like their Kilaminjaro. Read through their press release, they mention faster booting. I hope it's bootable and if so wonder how they got it bootable. It'd be great if there is a standard.

It will surely be bootable as all the others so far have been.. especially since there's not much demand for a PCIe based "storage only" drive.

Just imagine another Revo, but with Indilinx chip/s, is all.

[christer12]

They said nothing in the press release

It's a Indilinx Barefoot 3 controller and the Vector PCIe SSD Series will support Windows-based laptops, desktops, and workstations with 4 lanes of PCIe Gen 2 in full-height (FH) and half-height (HH) formats

[capeconsultant]

How are they going to get that beautiful thing in a laptop?

[josephjpeters]

This

Originally Posted by capeconsultant

How are they going to get that beautiful thing in a laptop?

[Mfusick]

Originally Posted by josephjpeters

This

No way it fits.

[Ao1]

Originally Posted by christer12

And I newly bought a Samsung SSD 840 PRO

Wish Samsung made PCIe SSD

No specs and no release date = vapourware/ marketing hype for investors
No need to fret however, just get another 840Pro and set up a RAID 0 array if you want more throughput. No doubt this latest PCIe offering will still be using a SATA controller, so want’s the difference? Currently you are limited to two Intel SATA 6.0 ports, but you can get a mobo with 8 LSI SATA 6.0 ports if you want 3.8GB/s without a PCIe slot being taken up.
Since 2008 when the Core was released there are now 50 EOL OCZ SSD products and no doubt this will soon feature in that list if/ when it gets released.
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/end_of_life/flash_media

[josephjpeters]

Originally Posted by Ao1

No specs and no release date = vapourware/ marketing hype for investors
No need to fret however, just get another 840Pro and set up a RAID 0 array if you want more throughput. No doubt this latest PCIe offering will still be using a SATA controller, so want’s the difference? Currently you are limited to two Intel SATA 6.0 ports, but you can get a mobo with 8 LSI SATA 6.0 ports if you want 3.8GB/s without a PCIe slot being taken up.
Since 2008 when the Core was released there are now 50 EOL OCZ SSD products and no doubt this will soon feature in that list if/ when it gets released.
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/end_of_life/flash_media

What's your point? That products eventually have an end of life?

[groberts101]

Umm.. why wouldn't OCZ start using the BF3 controller on newer PCIe models? Sure doesn't seem too far fetched to me as the Revo uses the older SF2 controllers.

And.. the difference really comes into play when they use the card to run more than 2 controllers to start the spanking contest over the Intel 6G chip. We need to keep in mind that just because Intel gives us more 6G ports on the next platforn doesn't mean that available throughput will double over the current 1,300 MB/s cap.

But you are right, IMO. Another 840P running on the Intel ports would have better aquisition of system resources.

The card above would surely be an easy way to update a 3G limited board to uber-fast raided 6G spec's though.

PS. I'd surely like to see that performance mentioned above from the LSI controller.. applicable to a boot drive. Because the reality is.. and other have already spoken to it.. that LSI chip is intended for storage and doesn't have the low latency and cachy snap compared to an OS volume with just 2 drives running on the Intel 6G ports. Only way that the LSI chip will have the best chance at running an OS volume is when Intel themselves start using it natively and writing drivers that leverage ram like thier own 6G chip does. I sure won't be holding my breath on that happening.

[christer12]

Originally Posted by Ao1

No specs and no release date = vapourware/ marketing hype for investors
No need to fret however, just get another 840Pro and set up a RAID 0 array if you want more throughput. No doubt this latest PCIe offering will still be using a SATA controller, so want’s the difference? Currently you are limited to two Intel SATA 6.0 ports, but you can get a mobo with 8 LSI SATA 6.0 ports if you want 3.8GB/s without a PCIe slot being taken up.
Since 2008 when the Core was released there are now 50 EOL OCZ SSD products and no doubt this will soon feature in that list if/ when it gets released.
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/end_of_life/flash_media

The LSI controller sucks.

[AdamK47]

Originally Posted by christer12

The LSI controller sucks.

No

[christer12]

LSI controller perform not as good as natively intel 6G ports.

[Mfusick]

Originally Posted by christer12

LSI controller perform not as good as natively intel 6G ports.

For access time yes.

[groberts101]

Originally Posted by Mfusick

For access time yes.

and small files.. and caching.. and boot times.. and..

In other words.. typically only when used for an OS volume.

IMHO, ROC is best served for what it was intended for. Huge q-depth performance with more compute intensive arrays and/or storage duty. Adam's is plenty fast from what I've seen.. but I'm guessing there's a reason that he hasn't used it as his main boot volume. Others seem to agree with that as well.

[AdamK47]

Originally Posted by groberts101

and small files.. and caching.. and boot times.. and..

In other words.. typically only when used for an OS volume.

IMHO, ROC is best served for what it was intended for. Huge q-depth performance with more compute intensive arrays and/or storage duty. Adam's is plenty fast from what I've seen.. but I'm guessing there's a reason that he hasn't used it as his main boot volume. Others seem to agree with that as well.

For better reliability and piece of mind. If a drive fails, I can still boot to Windows. Using the array for storage reduces the amount of writes to each drive. It's also easier to manage the array.

[AdamK47]

Originally Posted by christer12

LSI controller perform not as good as natively intel 6G ports.

Max read/write for Intel is 1GB/sec. The LSI controller on my board is rated for 3.8GB/sec. Not to mention the Intel controller only has two measly ports. LSI has 8.

[Ao1]

Originally Posted by christer12

The LSI controller sucks.

What do you think of Marvell or Silicon Image SATA/ SAS controllers?

(Hint: you might want to read the Anand reviews of previous versions of OCZ PCIe cards and then find out what this card will be using before answering that).

[Ao1]

Originally Posted by josephjpeters

What's your point? That products eventually have an end of life?

Sure, everything becomes EOL at some state, but don’t you think it’s a little bit excessive to have 50 EOL SSD products within 5 years of entering the SSD market? Each new product costs money for R&D, marketing etc. etc. If the products were so good why did they only last 5 minutes before becoming EOL?

[josephjpeters]

Originally Posted by Ao1

Sure, everything becomes EOL at some state, but don’t you think it’s a little bit excessive to have 50 EOL SSD products within 5 years of entering the SSD market? Each new product costs money for R&D, marketing etc. etc. If the products were so good why did they only last 5 minutes before becoming EOL?

No argument there. It's bit excessive.

I think it's more a function of the industry though and how competitive it is.

- A new controller would hit the market every 9 months (JMicron, Indilinx, Marvell all have released multiple generations of controllers)
- IMFT is on a 12-15 month refresh cycle (34nm to 25nm to 20nm)
- OCZ typically sold at least 2 types of NAND (Sync and Asyc, not even counting Toggle)
- And they designed drives for multiple interfaces (SATA2, SATA3, PCIe).

Combine all of those things and you can see why there have been so many drives.

[Hallo32]

The technology of SSDs changes very fast, why should they still produce SSDs which are technical outdated?

On the other side there also products, where nobody cries that they are EOL like the Solid3 or the Petrol for example.