Go Back   AnandTech Forums > Hardware and Technology > Power Supplies

Forums
· Hardware and Technology
· CPUs and Overclocking
· Motherboards
· Video Cards and Graphics
· Memory and Storage
· Power Supplies
· Cases & Cooling
· SFF, Notebooks, Pre-Built/Barebones PCs
· Networking
· Peripherals
· General Hardware
· Highly Technical
· Computer Help
· Home Theater PCs
· Consumer Electronics
· Digital and Video Cameras
· Mobile Devices & Gadgets
· Audio/Video & Home Theater
· Software
· Software for Windows
· All Things Apple
· *nix Software
· Operating Systems
· Programming
· PC Gaming
· Console Gaming
· Distributed Computing
· Security
· Social
· Off Topic
· Politics and News
· Discussion Club
· Love and Relationships
· The Garage
· Health and Fitness
· Merchandise and Shopping
· For Sale/Trade
· Hot Deals
· Free Stuff
· Contests and Sweepstakes
· Black Friday 2013
· Forum Issues
· Technical Forum Issues
· Personal Forum Issues
· Suggestion Box
· Moderator Resources
· Moderator Discussions
   

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-29-2012, 09:25 PM   #26
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

now that i think of it, i should have gotten that X650 when it was in stock.

you have no idea how much i hate newegg - the only reason i buy from them is because i usually get the stuff next day since their warehouse is not far from where i live. i would use Amazon over newegg every time except that when i order from Amazon it takes a week to deliver and they charge a tax.

but why do they offer these low prices if they know they don't have the stock to back up the demand ? just to p1ss people off so they can go see the low price and read "out of stock" ?

i know you will say it's my fault that i didn't just get it yesterday ... but why should i buy something when newegg is inclined to offer it ? i want to buy stuff when *I* want to buy it. dealing with newegg feels like being back in the Soviet Union where you can buy butter only if you happen to be in the right place at the right time.

horrible, horrible company - i don't understand why it is still in business. i hate myself every time i order anything from them.

Last edited by g1981c; 12-29-2012 at 09:54 PM.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2012, 11:04 PM   #27
jolancer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 469
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by g1981c View Post
you have no idea how much i hate newegg

horrible, horrible company - i don't understand why it is still in business. i hate myself every time i order anything from them.
Not intending to be bothersome or anything, just curious. whats bad about newegg? i havn't used them in the last few yrs because i havn't needed to order anything period, but befor that they always seemed really good to me? ...besides what you already mentioned about you not liking there advertized prices sometimes.

an just my 2c on the subject.. but IMO for specific hardware like your subject if it were me, i wouldnt be too conserned about prices to a reasonable extent, specialty items are always going to be more... unless your willing to mod them yourself.
jolancer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2012, 11:10 PM   #28
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jolancer View Post
Not intending to be bothersome or anything, just curious. whats bad about newegg? i havn't used them in the last few yrs because i havn't needed to order anything period, but befor that they always seemed really good to me? ...besides what you already mentioned about you not liking there advertized prices sometimes.

an just my 2c on the subject.. but IMO for specific hardware like your subject if it were me, i wouldnt be too conserned about prices to a reasonable extent, specialty items are always going to be more... unless your willing to mod them yourself.
no it's just that pricing thing. i had the same problem trying to hunt down a GTX 670 - it was about $100 less on Newegg than anywhere else, but of course it was out of stock. Amazon had it in stock but for $100 more. I ended up waiting until it was in stock on Newegg but i would much rather have a choice to pay the high price or not to pay it - with Newegg you get no choice - it's out of stock and that's it.

i believe in free markets and i like to see the price reflect demand instead of in-demand items simply disappearing from the shelves as it happens under communism ... and on newegg.

but don't worry i hate Amazon too ! in case of Amazon you can never find anything on their website because their search doesn't work - and it has never worked ever and probably never will work - just like Newegg will never have anything in stock. if you want to find something on Amazon you have to go to Google and search from there, and if you want to buy something on Newegg you just have to buy it on Amazon.

WHY ???

and of course Apple and Google do the same thing - iPhone 5 was sold out for months, and now Nexus 4 is hopelessly sold out. i don't get it - why not just raise the price until demand and supply meet each other ? what's the point of giving stuff away below market value only to run out of stock within hours of launch and remain out of stock for months ?

i know some people enjoy the rat race to catch something on sale - they find it exciting - i find it a waste of life.

as Nietzsche said - it is not the suffering that is unbearable, but the senselessness of it ...

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb communist c4ap everywhere - makes me want to stop the planet and get off !

Last edited by g1981c; 12-29-2012 at 11:33 PM.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 02:54 AM   #29
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

in any case i ordered this: http://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-PLATI.../dp/B00608MP5E

i just kinda liked the looks of it. as i may have said i am currently using Enermax Galaxy 1000W:

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...w=1536&bih=764

which is very large and has nice mesh on the cables. i really love this Enermax so i wanted something that looks similar to it.

maybe ribbon cables are all the rage but to me they looked repulsive.

keeping fingers crossed !

Last edited by g1981c; 12-30-2012 at 03:09 AM.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 05:15 AM   #30
lehtv
Diamond Member
 
lehtv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 9,646
Default

Uhhh. 860W power supply? Why? I'm really confused now, what makes you think you'll EVER use anywhere near as much power to benefit from that? Seasonic 660W Platinum would've cost you only $145 AR shipped.

In any case you should've jumped on the X650 deal when it was still available. Would've saved you $110
__________________
System specs
lehtv is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 06:03 AM   #31
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lehtv View Post
Uhhh. 860W power supply? Why? I'm really confused now, what makes you think you'll EVER use anywhere near as much power to benefit from that? Seasonic 660W Platinum would've cost you only $145 AR shipped.

In any case you should've jumped on the X650 deal when it was still available. Would've saved you $110
yes i should have.

as for the 860W platinum, i never claimed that my decisions or actions make sense !

i don't believe logic can be applied to life. logic is about solving problems. life is about creating problems. when you try applying logic to life you get suicide, genocide, communism etc. it's missing the point

that said, i wanted to buy from Amazon and i couldn't find anything else on there. the 660W platinum you mention is $170 on Amazon. the X650 is $160. the 860W is a little more, but has the sexy mesh cables i wanted.

Last edited by g1981c; 12-30-2012 at 06:06 AM.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 06:14 AM   #32
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lehtv View Post
Uhhh. 860W power supply? Why? I'm really confused now, what makes you think you'll EVER use anywhere near as much power to benefit from that?
by the way just before i ordered i plugged in my computer through the Kill-A-Watt and measured its draw under different scenarios:

Windows Idle - 55W
Recording Audio in Adobe Audition - 65W
Checking out 3D buildings in Manhattan in Google Earth - 95W

so this PSU has to be silent while the system pulls 65W from the outlet, which considering efficiency of Enermax probably translates to about 50W load ( and 15W dissipated in the PSU ).

50W load on 860W PSU is a 6% load. according to Anandtech review at 6% the platinum will be 80% efficient, so it will need to dissipate 10 watts passively.

but as i said i wanted a model with the fan switch, so i would actually let the fan run at all times except when noise is critical.

that's of course assuming it doesn't whine - in which case i would probably need to return it.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 06:58 AM   #33
lehtv
Diamond Member
 
lehtv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 9,646
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by g1981c View Post
i don't believe logic can be applied to life. logic is about solving problems. life is about creating problems.
In order for that viewpoint to make any sense, you'd have to use logic to show it is so.

Quote:
when you try applying logic to life you get suicide, genocide, communism etc. it's missing the point
This is the most absurd and misinformed thing I've ever read.

Quote:
that said, i wanted to buy from Amazon and i couldn't find anything else on there. the 660W platinum you mention is $170 on Amazon. the X650 is $160. the 860W is a little more, but has the sexy mesh cables i wanted.
Uh-uh. Why didn't you mention earlier that you wanted to buy from Amazon? Would've saved us both a lot of time. This thread feels like a waste of mine, sorry to say...
__________________
System specs
lehtv is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 07:13 AM   #34
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lehtv View Post
Why didn't you mention earlier that you wanted to buy from Amazon?
because i only decided that after i heard about the whine issue, and Amazon has the best return policy.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 07:35 AM   #35
ketchup79
Diamond Member
 
ketchup79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 6,106
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by g1981c View Post
because i only decided that after i heard about the whine issue, and Amazon has the best return policy.
Well dude, you did get one thing right. I don't think anyone can beat Amazon's return policy. As for the rest, I think you came in here just to argue.
__________________
Intel Core i5-2500k | Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 | 8 GB DDR3 | Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 | Antec EarthWatts EA-650 BRONZE | Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB | COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper | COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO
ketchup79 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 08:33 AM   #36
Maximilian
Lifer
 
Maximilian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 11,318
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by g1981c View Post
yes i should have.

as for the 860W platinum, i never claimed that my decisions or actions make sense !

i don't believe logic can be applied to life. logic is about solving problems. life is about creating problems. when you try applying logic to life you get suicide, genocide, communism etc. it's missing the point

that said, i wanted to buy from Amazon and i couldn't find anything else on there. the 660W platinum you mention is $170 on Amazon. the X650 is $160. the 860W is a little more, but has the sexy mesh cables i wanted.
Translation: "I wanted the big wattage fancy PSU with the platinum label"
__________________
Most unbalanced rig ever: Core i7 3930k // Asus P9X79PRO // 8GB DDR3 // Radeon 5850 // Phanteks PH-TC14PE 2x TY141 // Xonar Essence STX // WD 500GB HDD // Antec HCP 1200 // Silverstone FT02
Lappy: 13" Asus UL30A
Server: Core i5 4570 // Noctua NH U12PSE2 1x NF-F12// Asus H87 M-E // 4GB DDR3 // 4x1.5TB Samsung F2 // 128GB Crucial M4 SSD // Antec 300 // Seasonic X460 FL HTPC:Raspberry pi
Maximilian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 09:26 AM   #37
philipma1957
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Howell NJ
Posts: 1,518
Default

well the op was a lot of fun. I think he studies under tweak-boy.
__________________
1)Intel i7-3770k. i5-4670
2)sapphire hd7790 , sapphire hd7970
3)samsung 4x 4gb low profile ram
4)antec ea450 seasonic 760 platinum
5)asus maximus v gene mobo asrock itx-e
6)fractal case cooler master elite 120 case.
philipma1957 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 10:50 AM   #38
Ferzerp
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: B̿̄ͬͮͦ͐̐̂̌̂͛̓̃̔̈́̓
Posts: 5,104
Default

Yeah, this thread was pretty much "suggest things to me so that I can belittle them, and go out and buy a massively oversized PSU that doesn't even meet my original criteria".



I wish there were higher quality low power silent designs like the stryker, but as far as I know, it's the only one available that's both fanless and great for power delivery.
Ferzerp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 11:33 AM   #39
philipma1957
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Howell NJ
Posts: 1,518
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferzerp View Post
Yeah, this thread was pretty much "suggest things to me so that I can belittle them, and go out and buy a massively oversized PSU that doesn't even meet my original criteria".



I wish there were higher quality low power silent designs like the stryker, but as far as I know, it's the only one available that's both fanless and great for power delivery.
I like my fanless seasonics 400 watt size they can run 24/7 with a hd7970 and a hd3770k for months.

lite oc for the ram the cpu and the gpu.
__________________
1)Intel i7-3770k. i5-4670
2)sapphire hd7790 , sapphire hd7970
3)samsung 4x 4gb low profile ram
4)antec ea450 seasonic 760 platinum
5)asus maximus v gene mobo asrock itx-e
6)fractal case cooler master elite 120 case.
philipma1957 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 04:44 PM   #40
fire400
Diamond Member
 
fire400's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 4,888
Default

heatspreaders with custom water blocks.
__________________
♥사 랑 해 // 蔡依林
~tRaNcE ♥'(^-9);♥ sPeCiAlIsT~
http://www.mindtools.com/
.,.`~錄Glorious DayS體~,`
Don't you have any worries? Aren't you sad? Are you all alone?
Hold the light and the darkness closely with both hands; a life of coexistence, a life of competition...

○*○.`.`*[連By-NoRiA語]*..○*○
fire400 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 05:53 PM   #41
Zap
Super Moderator
Off Topic
Elite Member
 
Zap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Somewhere Gillbot can't find me
Posts: 22,378
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by g1981c View Post
but don't worry i hate Amazon too ! in case of Amazon you can never find anything on their website because their search doesn't work
Surprisingly I half agree with you. While I have no problems finding what I want on Amazon, their search often brings up plenty of stuff that is not what you want. Also, their sorting is and has always been broken.

But I still find what I am looking for.

Quote:
Originally Posted by g1981c View Post
and of course Apple and Google do the same thing - iPhone 5 was sold out for months, and now Nexus 4 is hopelessly sold out. i don't get it - why not just raise the price until demand and supply meet each other ? what's the point of giving stuff away below market value only to run out of stock within hours of launch and remain out of stock for months ?
There are a number of potential reasons for that.

1) Demand may have been underestimated.

2) Supply may have been overestimated.

3) Manufacturers set an MSRP. Some retailers sell above MSRP and then they get bad press for price gouging. It has been ongoing for years and people complain about it.

4) Manufacturers love to have huge sale numbers. It helps them with the board of directors and stockholders.

5) If MSRP starts high on high demand items and then soon after drops down, people will complain and the manufacturer gets bad press.

Really, they can't win. Price high as a "natural" counter to initial demand? Consumers will complain about price gouging. Drop MSRP after initial high demand? Consumers will complain about unfair pricing. Leave prices low and sell out? g1981c will complain about communists.

Quote:
Originally Posted by g1981c View Post
i don't believe logic can be applied to myself.
Fixed.
__________________
The best way to future-proof is to save money and spend it on future products. (Ken g6)

SSD turns duds into studs. (JBT)
Zap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-30-2012, 11:00 PM   #42
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zap View Post

Really, they can't win. Price high as a "natural" counter to initial demand? Consumers will complain about price gouging. Drop MSRP after initial high demand? Consumers will complain about unfair pricing. Leave prices low and sell out? g1981c will complain about communists.
well said. not much to add.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 12:53 AM   #43
Pandamonium
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,617
Default

This might be too late, and it might not be helpful in your case, but I figured I ought to throw it out there.

For recording studios where a clean baseline sound floor is important, you can spend all you want at silencing your computer only to identify the next loudest component. If I were you, I would consider long cables between your machine and your peripherals, and then placing the machine in a separate room entirely.

The road towards a silent computer is long and serpentine, and may not even have an end.
__________________
HEAT
eBay
Pandamonium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 05:18 AM   #44
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandamonium View Post
This might be too late, and it might not be helpful in your case, but I figured I ought to throw it out there.

For recording studios where a clean baseline sound floor is important, you can spend all you want at silencing your computer only to identify the next loudest component. If I were you, I would consider long cables between your machine and your peripherals, and then placing the machine in a separate room entirely.

The road towards a silent computer is long and serpentine, and may not even have an end.
i don't see it as an all or nothing proposition. making incremental but meaningful improvements is fine by me in this particular case.

i did consider other possibilities, such as getting a flash memory recorder to use instead of computer ... but for some reason i decided i liked the idea of lowering computer noise better. i don't need to silence it completely for my use - jut get it really quiet.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 07:20 AM   #45
Engineer
Elite Member
 
Engineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Lexington, KY
Posts: 35,605
Default

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthre...3#post34434923

X750 Gold 3rd generation for $89.99 AR - AC - FS - Newegg. Today only.
__________________
University of Kentucky Wildcats!

Go Big Blue...Go Big Blue...Go Big Blue!!!

"Opportunities look a lot like work" - Ashton Kutcher
Engineer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 08:56 AM   #46
philipma1957
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Howell NJ
Posts: 1,518
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthre...3#post34434923

X750 Gold 3rd generation for $89.99 AR - AC - FS - Newegg. Today only.
he should order it hold the amazon in case it has an issue. then return the amazon platinum since by test comparison he will be able to know that the 750 watt gold is good for him.

he could then return the platinum to amazon.
__________________
1)Intel i7-3770k. i5-4670
2)sapphire hd7790 , sapphire hd7970
3)samsung 4x 4gb low profile ram
4)antec ea450 seasonic 760 platinum
5)asus maximus v gene mobo asrock itx-e
6)fractal case cooler master elite 120 case.
philipma1957 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 10:15 AM   #47
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthre...3#post34434923

X750 Gold 3rd generation for $89.99 AR - AC - FS - Newegg. Today only.
i tried cancelling amazon order but it said it was unable to cancel it ...

ordered the X750 from newegg anyway

Amazon one had tax on it for total of $217.

Newegg one before rebate was total of $104 ...

that's a big difference ...

i guess if newegg comes before amazon ( newegg is closer to me ) i might try to test it real quick, and if it works simply refuse the amazon package.

either way i'll keep you guys updated ...

Last edited by g1981c; 12-31-2012 at 10:26 AM.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 11:33 AM   #48
TemjinGold
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,406
Default

Wait, I thought newegg was a horrible, horrible company? And why wouldn't an x750 work? The x650 would be more than enough already...
__________________
Antec P182 | Seasonic X-660 | Cyberpower 1000PFCLCD |
Intel i5 2500k @4.2 w/ Corsair H55 | ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z |
16gb G.SKILL DDR3 1600 | ASUS GTX580 |
Sharp AQUOS LC-32LE700UN 32" LED HDTV | 1x 960 gb Crucial M500 |
1x 1TB Samsung F3 | Samsung SATA DVD Burner | Logitech Z-5500
TemjinGold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2012, 12:34 PM   #49
BeauCharles
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Northern California
Posts: 108
Default

That X750 is a great deal. I bought my X560 from Amazon a year ago and it was $129.99 then. That model never seems to go on sale. All these Newegg sales for the X650 and X750 would make me envious if the X560 wasn't doing such a fine job for me. I don't have any experience with other SeaSonic X Series models, but I can say that mine is completely silent in any load my Phenom II X4 @ 4.0 Ghz and single GTX 670 can throw at it. I have never heart the unit's fan over the very quiet Scythe fans in my case (and certainly no coil whine). Prior to the X560 I've used Antec and PC Power and Cooling power supplies and they were all audible at some point. The SeaSonic has never been. Great, quiet power supply.

O.P., as far as the Amazon delivery goes just be sure to catch the UPS or FedEx guy and refuse delivery. They should credit you in a couple weeks at most.

Last edited by BeauCharles; 12-31-2012 at 12:38 PM.
BeauCharles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2013, 06:56 AM   #50
g1981c
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeauCharles View Post
Prior to the X560 I've used Antec and PC Power and Cooling power supplies and they were all audible at some point.
i have a 1000W PC Power and it just sounds horrible - very loud, and very unpleasant noise

Last edited by g1981c; 01-02-2013 at 07:43 AM.
g1981c is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.