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Old 12-21-2012, 08:15 PM   #1
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Default Why no 24 inch IPS/PVA 2560x1200 @ 120hz+?

Would you buy a premium monitor with the above specs?

I'm thinking there would be a market for this. What spec would you change?

Also, I think many monitors that try to go in this direction but not fully there just don't understand the people who would spend the money on a premium monitor. For example, the 120hz Alienware monitor that is no longer being made wasn't going to be a big seller because of resolution and the ridiculous design. If it had been an Ultrasharp design in 16:10 or even 2560x1440, I would have bought one--though I'd still would have wanted the 10.6 billion colors.

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Old 12-21-2012, 08:25 PM   #2
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Actually, there (sort-of) are. The Overlord Tempest X270OC is a 27" 1560x1440p monitor which has a special PCB meant for overclocking. It's basically a rebranded Shimian/Catleap panel (you know, the cheap Korean monitors) assembled IN AMERICA! It's similarly cheap too: only $370 for the basic, non-overclocking model and $470 for the ones with the special PCB. That's less than Dell's monitors by several hundred dollars. They refuse to guarantee results (much like Intel will not guarantee your i7-3770K will overclock well), but the vast majority of people make it to at least around 90Hz.

The downsides are similar to the Korean monitors though. Generally only 1 input, DVI, only a year of warranty (although it's easier to service than the Korean ones), and no pixel-perfect guarantees, though they do use grade A- and A panels (it depends on which model you get). It also has a not-so-great stand and they don't stock very often.

Also, your thread title's ratio seems weird: around 13:6 (waaaayyyy narrower than 16:10 or even 16:8).

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Old 12-21-2012, 09:26 PM   #3
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Also, your thread title's ratio seems weird: around 13:6 (waaaayyyy narrower than 16:10 or even 16:8).
How'd I do that. How about 2560x1600.

I've seen those monitors. But, as you point out, and to some extent what I was saying already about not going the distance in terms of delivering the right product, I'm not willing to spend the money on that. I don't get that necessary feeling of a high quality product.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:09 PM   #4
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I get the feeling the people who design these products just don't know what consumers want. HP and Dell make 2560x1440 IPS screens, but they have a very grainy matte coating. Why? We all know that there are antiglare coatings that are not grainy at all yet also work perfectly. You can find them on some laptop panels. But some engineer probably just asks for panels that meet a certain spec from LG or Samsung, and doesn't even look at them first. Their understanding of coatings may even be limited to whether it's matte or glossy. You think they *get* 60hz vs 120hz? Yeah right!

And consumers buy their mediocre products. They have no incentive to make anything better.

But why do you want 24" with that resolution? You'd have to be very close to it to make use of that resolution, which means more eyestrain.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:46 PM   #5
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But why do you want 24" with that resolution? You'd have to be very close to it to make use of that resolution, which means more eyestrain.
For years I had a notebook with a 17" screen at 1920x1200 and loved it. Since then, I am annoyed with resolutions less than 1200--for productivity or surfing--I like to see more of a page. And I feel that images or better detailed.

I don't have a 2560x1440 monitor and am constantly on the fence about buying one. My Dell E248WFP continues to do its job, but with the time I spend in front of a screen, I am ready to make an investment in a nice display. I just keep waiting for the monitor listed in the title to come out. I want games to look nice too of course.

I don't sit too far away from my monitor, so I guess I've not considered the eyestrain issue much--but most things are adjustable, right?

Do you think 27" would be more preferable?
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:04 AM   #6
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And consumers buy their mediocre products. They have no incentive to make anything better.
Yes. I couldn't agree more. But how many monitors need to be sold for someone to make a profit on them.

Does it come down to LG or Samsung not making the panel for some reason? Do the other electronics in the device keep all these specs from coming together? Do the manufactures already know that most people aren't willing to do SLI or Crossfire?

There seems to be enough interest in displays from what I read on numerous forums for some company to say, OK, let's make an amazing monitor for the enthusiast.
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For years I had a notebook with a 17" screen at 1920x1200 and loved it. Since then, I am annoyed with resolutions less than 1200--for productivity or surfing--I like to see more of a page. And I feel that images or better detailed.

I don't have a 2560x1440 monitor and am constantly on the fence about buying one. My Dell E248WFP continues to do its job, but with the time I spend in front of a screen, I am ready to make an investment in a nice display. I just keep waiting for the monitor listed in the title to come out. I want games to look nice too of course.

I don't sit too far away from my monitor, so I guess I've not considered the eyestrain issue much--but most things are adjustable, right?

Do you think 27" would be more preferable?
Even 27" 1440p is too dense for my taste, but it's the only option now. Stop waiting for the same res on a smaller screen. There would be zero benefit unless you're really short on space.

I had a 30" 2560x1600 Dell back in 2007 and I sold it because the pixel density was too high, and because the matte coating as grainy. I went back to my Dell 24". Then when that died I used a 32" 1080P Sony Bravia TV. I had to set it 3 feet from my face, but it was very relaxing to use. No eyestrain at that distance. Great colors and very clear matte coating too.
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I'd love to see that. Even 1600x1200 would be nice to see. In fact I'd like to see that on a 21" screen. Even 19". I have 2 19" monitors that are 1280x1024. I don't need bigger screens, I rather have something the same size and just be able to fit more content on it.

The issue as well is widescreen. That was the worse thing to happen to computer monitors. TVs, sure, but I find 4:3 and 5:4 is much better for computers. Especially with multiple monitors.
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I'm not buying any new monitor unless it can do at least 2048x1536. Thats the highest res of BG2. And I used to be able to do it with my old CRT. When I went widescreen I actually took a serious hit.
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right now I am finding 21.5 - 22 inch 1080p works best for my eyes.

I have a 1920 by 1200 24 inch but i can see the grid on this if the image is mostly white.


I also find the 27 inch 1440p is too dense.

I would like to find a 1920 by 1200 that was 21-22 inches.
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Thats the highest res of BG2.
You may be interested in knowing that Obsidian has said that Project Eternity will be designed with 2560x1440 in mind.
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right now I am finding 21.5 - 22 inch 1080p works best for my eyes. I have a 1920 by 1200 24 inch but i can see the grid on this if the image is mostly white. I also find the 27 inch 1440p is too dense. I would like to find a 1920 by 1200 that was 21-22 inches.
The pixel pitch for all three of those seems fairy close to me:

24" 1200p = .2672
22" 1080p = .2537
22" 1200p = .2468
27" 1440p = .2335

A 17" notebook at 1920x1200 is .1907. I suppose how far you sit away from the monitor really makes a difference.

24" 1440p = .2075
24" 1600p = .2019

I prefer the 16:10 because I like the idea of the golden ratio, but really 1440p 16:9 doesn't bother me.
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right now I am finding 21.5 - 22 inch 1080p works best for my eyes.

I have a 1920 by 1200 24 inch but i can see the grid on this if the image is mostly white.


I also find the 27 inch 1440p is too dense.

I would like to find a 1920 by 1200 that was 21-22 inches.
Sit further from the screen. Problem solved and your eyes don't have to focus so close
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Lenovo L220X. I use two at home and two at work, each pair mounted in a vertical dual-monitor stand. They're not IPS, but they're the next-best thing: PVA. The L220X was made in 2007 and 2008; I think it was discontinued when a fire destroyed the plant. I bought each of mine online, reconditioned or used, for a shipped price of $130 to $180 each.

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