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Old 12-15-2012, 12:26 AM   #26
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I found his sentence to be coherent. Simple, to the point. Very few words, short sentences. Doesn't get better than that.

In steady state testing the results aren't even close, check it out here...
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/...o_ssd_review/6

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Old 12-15-2012, 12:35 AM   #27
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I found his sentence to be coherent. Simple, to the point. Very few words, short sentences. Doesn't get better than that.
I'm not sure if you are joking and forgot the smiley. I'll assume you are serious.

The sentence of his I was referring to was, "It dropped" and then a link.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:38 AM   #28
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The firmware. It dropped.
Give the guy points for brevity.


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Old 12-15-2012, 03:56 AM   #29
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I found his sentence to be coherent. Simple, to the point. Very few words, short sentences. Doesn't get better than that.

In steady state testing the results aren't even close, check it out here...
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/...o_ssd_review/6

In real-world testing where there are both mixed read/writes, the Vector clearly dominates. Take a look at these links below.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ew,3358-7.html


http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage...v20060727-IOps
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:04 AM   #30
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In real-world testing where there are both mixed read/writes, the Vector clearly dominates. Take a look at these links below.
IOMeter in your second link is hardly "real-world testing".
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:07 AM   #31
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IOMeter in your second link is hardly "real-world testing".
maybe not so much the 2nd link but the point is the mixed workloaf results which is what happens in the real world. Most benchmarks the 840 Pro win are the non- real- world scenario such as 100% reads.


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"Regarding why we use this test as opposed to single-tasker tests like 4KB random reads or 4KB random writes, well, computers are just not single taskers. Writes take place at the same time as reads. We call this mixed-mode testing, and while a given SSD comes with side-of-box specs that boast what it can do while being a uni-tasker, the tests above tend to paint a very different picture.

This test is one of the most grueling to throw at an SSD, and it's also one of the best chances for a well engineered controller to shine. I love it when a new controller technology comes along and creams everything else in the pack, and this time the Vector has done just that. The Vector turns in the best figures in everything save the Web Server test, where it rides along to nearly match the Samsung 840 Pro. Sustaining 55,000 IOPS is not easy to do with our Workstation test, but the OCZ Vector pulls it off nicely."
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:33 AM   #32
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The problem is that there are literally millions of possible mixed read-write workloads. Besides percentage read/write mix, there is the average block size, and how the reads and writes are interleaved (one IO each, 10 IOs each, etc.)

A lot of the synthetic read/write mix tests (like IOMeter) tend to interleave the read/write IOs at one-to-one (or almost that), and often with small block sizes. Most work I do on my desktop has reads and writes coming in chunks, not interleaved small blocks of reads and writes, and I think this is common for many consumer workloads. So I would not place much weight on those IOMeter tests unless you know for a fact that your workload closely matches it.

The tomshardware tests are somewhat interesting. The first two on that page are just incompressible data sequential write speed tests (well, the first one is probably partially compressible), so nothing to get excited about there. The last one, the virus scan, is interesting. Too bad they did not tell us more about exactly what was going on during the scan. He mentions that there could be some writes along with mostly reads, but does not give us any details about that.

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Old 12-15-2012, 05:14 AM   #33
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The tomshardware tests are somewhat interesting. The first two on that page are just incompressible data sequential write speed tests (well, the first one is probably partially compressible), so nothing to get excited about there. The last one, the virus scan, is interesting. Too bad they did not tell us more about exactly what was going on during the scan. He mentions that there could be some writes along with mostly reads, but does not give us any details about that.
It's interesting that they haven't recorded the IO activity to know more about the blocks sizes and queue depths. Would stop guessing and explain why the Vector is faster (can be compared to synthetic tests).
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:47 PM   #34
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In real-world testing where there are both mixed read/writes, the Vector clearly dominates. Take a look at these links below.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ew,3358-7.html


http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage...v20060727-IOps
Some people say that there is a difference performance between a 256GB and 512GB.. So don't compare a OCZ Vector 256GB and Samsung 840 Pro 512GB..

The performance it's more weaker the bigger SSD is.

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Old 12-15-2012, 04:47 PM   #35
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The performance it's more weaker the bigger SSD is.
I don't think that is true for all SSDs. For late model SSDs like the 512GB Plextor M5P and indeed, the 512GB Samsung 840 Pro SSDs, the specs on the 512GB models are at least as good as the 256GB models. Now that does not prove that there could not be some specific tests where the 512GB models fare worse than the 256GB models (perhaps something involving full-span sustained heavy writes where the larger FTL of the 512GB models would take longer to scan through than the FTL of the 256GB models), but in general I think the 512GB 840 Pros and M5Ps should have similar (or slightly better) performance to the 256GB models.
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Instead of either or, what would be the result of having both the Samsung and OCZ in the same computer? How would the different controllers get along?

Play it either way - Samsung for OS and OCZ for data, or vice versa.
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Instead of either or, what would be the result of having both the Samsung and OCZ in the same computer? How would the different controllers get along?
Unless they are in a RAID, or you are copying data from one drive to another, there is no interaction between SSDs or HDDs in your system.
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Unless they are in a RAID, or you are copying data from one drive to another, there is no interaction between SSDs or HDDs in your system.
OK - assume a program is on the Samsung, and the OCZ has the data file. What then? IOW, the program on the Samsung needs to save the data on the OCZ. Is that a concern or problem?

My laptop is currently set up with a Samsung 830 256GB as the OS and program drive. The data from any of the programs gets saved on a Momentus XT 500GB HDD. Could the Momentus XT be replaced with a OCZ Vector?

Data would be created on the Samsung and saved on the OCZ. Is that a problem?
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OK - assume a program is on the Samsung, and the OCZ has the data file. What then? IOW, the program on the Samsung needs to save the data on the OCZ. Is that a concern or problem?

My laptop is currently set up with a Samsung 830 256GB as the OS and program drive. The data from any of the programs gets saved on a Momentus XT 500GB HDD. Could the Momentus XT be replaced with a OCZ Vector?

Data would be created on the Samsung and saved on the OCZ. Is that a problem?
Data isn't really created on a disk drive. It's created in Ram and then written to whatever disk it's told to. Assuming whatever program you are using lets you choose to save files to drive 2, then they will never exist or have any interaction with drive 1. Even if there isn't a way to choose file locations in your program, there are still ways to go about doing it such as using mklink to connect a shortcut on 1 drive to a folder on another.

The only scenario where data would go through drive 1 and then be saved on drive 2, is if you were using Intel RST SSD Caching, but there is no reason at all to use RST with another SSD.

Edit: It did occur to me, there is one other case where data could be written to 1 disk than the other, and that's if the program has an explicit on disk cache, or was something like a torrent program where you specify a location for downloads in progress and another for completed ones, but then its the same basic concept as dragging a file from 1 drive to another which should never have any issues.

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