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Old 12-13-2012, 10:42 AM   #1
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Default ~~~~A CHALLENGE~~~~ Mid Range Gaming PC In Mumbai India

Hello Folks,

I am planning on building a Rig. I am a Noob, so go easy.

Currently i run an extremely obsolete Pentium 4 based setup. (Got an i5 Laptop) . Need to replace this urgently.

Will be using PC for Moderate gaming : FPS & RPG's. Crysis, CoD, PoP etc 720P

Majorly used for internet surfing, music & movies.

Budget is INR 20,000-25,000 (1 US$ = 55 INR)

Will be buying everything from Mumbai India, Flipkart.com & ebay.in or a Local Vendor.

I want Intel i5 thats all

Current Equipment that will be reused:

Samsung Monitor (1280 * 1024) , Creative 2.1 speakers, Keyboard, Mouse,
WD Caviar Green 1 TB Desktop Internal Hard Drive (WD10EARX) bought recently.
Transcend external USB Powered DVDRW.

Am planning on overclocking this system in the future.

I do not want to invest in a Graphics card at this point because of budget constraints. I Believe HD 4000 will be enough for most of my uses(For Now).

Monitor Resolution : 1280*1024.

I want to build the rig by this weekend, its that URGENT

Got software discs with me.

My reference system is: $ 1000 Gaming parts.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6229/m...buyers-guide/2

A local vendor has quoted me:

Processor + Mobo: i5 3570k + Intel MoBo SL50K Z77 : INR 19000

RAM : 8 GB DDR3 Kingston (Model Unspecified) INR 2100

Cabinet : iBall WorkHorse http://iball.co.in/Product.aspx?c=5 INR 2500

SMPS : http://www.technostarry.com/hardware...d-500w-review/ VIP Gold 500 W INR 2500

Here are my questions:

1) I am planning on getting an i5 3570k because I am planning on future proofing the system. With overclocking I want to play the newest games on HD 4000 itself at decent FPS( Too Much to ask for ?? ).
I want to Connect a GFX Card in the future for good fps. Do I really need a 3570k??

2) Is an Intel Manufactured MoBo any good or do I have to buy an ASUS, MSI etc for overclocking? Choices are limited:

http://www.flipkart.com/computers/co...7i&layout=grid

3) Will the stock CPU Fan that comes with the Processor be good enough when Overclocking? If No, then what can i buy?

http://www.flipkart.com/computers/co...cm&layout=grid

What type of cooling will be required?? Is air cooling sufficient?? The room in which i am placing the rig has no Air conditioning. It gets hot in India.

4) RAM : I guess 8 GB will be enough.

http://www.flipkart.com/computers/co...5u&layout=grid

How is the Corsair vengeance?? http://www.flipkart.com/corsair-veng...a-be51d7fe07bb

5) Is an SSD that essential?? I got a 60GB SSD Quoted at INR 5100 (Too Much!!!)

6) What Power Supply will I need ?? Future proofing it for a GFX Card. So is 500 W enough??

http://www.flipkart.com/computers/co...bk&layout=grid

7) What Cabinet??? Seriously limited options here:

http://www.flipkart.com/computers/co...fz&layout=grid

This is decent:

http://www.flipkart.com/bitfenix-mer...8-41e719d62947

Anything else I need to be looking at?

Please help, need to finish this urgently.

Thanks!!!
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:21 PM   #2
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Once again, we have a request for the fabled $500 gaming PC. This one's $450, actually, so that might be worse. Do you have a copy of Windows you can use, or do you need to buy that too?

1. Intel i5 ain't gonna happen on this budget. Realize that a desktop i3-3220 is similar to your laptop's i5; probably faster.

Gaming on the integrated graphics of an Intel chip won't work well either. Crysis is commonly referred to as a tough test of a GPU. Though there are several halfway-decent discrete GPUs you could get. Be sure to get one with GDDR5 RAM. You'll probably wind up with a 7750 or 7770; or maybe a used 6800-series GPU.

2. Mobo depends on your budget. If you expect to come into enough cash to buy a chip that can overclock, you can get a cheap Z77. Otherwise, get a B75 if you can, or the cheapest H61 you can find and an i3-2120 if you run out of money otherwise.

3. An i3 will be fine on the stock cooler, even in India.

4. One 4GB stick of RAM is minimal. Look for 1.5V RAM or lower.

5. An SSD is not essential. Any SATA drive you can find will work, though avoid "green"/5400RPM drives if you can.

6. Depends on your GPU, but probably nothing fancy. A Corsair CX430 would power most low-end cards.

7. Hardly matters, as long as it has at least one fan.
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1) I am planning on getting an i5 3570k because I am planning on future proofing the system. With overclocking I want to play the newest games on HD 4000 itself at decent FPS( Too Much to ask for ?? ).
Yes its too much to ask for. Have a look at Anands review here.

If you are looking for cheap 720p gaming, you really should look at the high-end AMD APUs (A10-5700/5800K). They will not run the newest games at highest detail, but they will run them...
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:06 PM   #4
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Once again, we have a request for the fabled $500 gaming PC. This one's $450, actually, so that might be worse. Do you have a copy of Windows you can use, or do you need to buy that too?

1. Intel i5 ain't gonna happen on this budget. Realize that a desktop i3-3220 is similar to your laptop's i5; probably faster.
Yep, the only way to get an i5 at this budget is to give up on the idea of gaming (other than simple Flash games).
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:32 AM   #5
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Once again, we have a request for the fabled $500 gaming PC. This one's $450, actually, so that might be worse. Do you have a copy of Windows you can use, or do you need to buy that too?

1. Intel i5 ain't gonna happen on this budget. Realize that a desktop i3-3220 is similar to your laptop's i5; probably faster.

Gaming on the integrated graphics of an Intel chip won't work well either. Crysis is commonly referred to as a tough test of a GPU. Though there are several halfway-decent discrete GPUs you could get. Be sure to get one with GDDR5 RAM. You'll probably wind up with a 7750 or 7770; or maybe a used 6800-series GPU.

2. Mobo depends on your budget. If you expect to come into enough cash to buy a chip that can overclock, you can get a cheap Z77. Otherwise, get a B75 if you can, or the cheapest H61 you can find and an i3-2120 if you run out of money otherwise.

3. An i3 will be fine on the stock cooler, even in India.

4. One 4GB stick of RAM is minimal. Look for 1.5V RAM or lower.

5. An SSD is not essential. Any SATA drive you can find will work, though avoid "green"/5400RPM drives if you can.

6. Depends on your GPU, but probably nothing fancy. A Corsair CX430 would power most low-end cards.

7. Hardly matters, as long as it has at least one fan.
I will stretch my budget for an i5. I have all the software CD's s thats not a problem.

The integrated i5 3570k and Intel Mobo I am getting for 19000 INR. Is it a good board SL50K Z77 ?

Then forget about gaming for now, will invest in a card later. Right now i need to get the rig up and running!

I'll get 4 GB RAM.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:33 AM   #6
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Yes its too much to ask for. Have a look at Anands review here.

If you are looking for cheap 720p gaming, you really should look at the high-end AMD APUs (A10-5700/5800K). They will not run the newest games at highest detail, but they will run them...
I will buy a 550/560Ti Later. For now HD 4000 will be ok for stuff like CS 1.6 etc
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:34 AM   #7
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Yep, the only way to get an i5 at this budget is to give up on the idea of gaming (other than simple Flash games).
Fair enough.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:35 AM   #8
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I only wish to buy

i5 CPU (I can stretch my budget).
Mobo a good one, on your recommendations.
SMPS.
Cabinet.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:43 AM   #9
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I can get stuff from local vendors, so feel free to recommend stuff thats good but not available on Flipkart.
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I will buy a 550/560Ti Later. For now HD 4000 will be ok for stuff like CS 1.6 etc
Ah OK, no worries there then...
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:20 PM   #11
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Guys, I have narrowed it down to:

i5 3570k
Intel dz77sl50k Mobo
RAM = Kingston is available, any recommendations?
SMPS = ?
Cabinet = ?
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:55 PM   #12
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I am super confused now.

Read about how 2500k is a better OC than 3570k.

Should I get 2500k? I only plan on OC in the future when I get a good GFX Card.

What Mobo with 2500k?? Z68 or Z77??
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:37 AM   #13
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Guys, seriously need your help here.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:48 AM   #14
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A core i3 with a 7850 will beat a core i5 with 560 in most of the games

And a core i3 with a 7770 will beat a core i5 with a 550 ti in practically any situation.

You need to take it like this.

Can you afford a 10k Mobo plus 2500k/3570k plus 7850 (not 560ti not 7770) together? And at least 8gb ram. If yes then good. If not then the first thing to take out is the CPU and Mobo.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:18 AM   #15
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ASRock or Asus Z77 For 10k is ok

2500k or 3570k for 14k is ok

7850 - I am not planning on buying it now. Will buy after 5-6 Months. Price will come down or better newer cards will be out. I am assuming they will be compatible with the Mobo.

8GB RAM - 3.5 K is ok

SMPS 4k is ok Corsair 500 W

Cabinet 1k

Total = 30k Approx
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After 6 months price of 7850 may or may not fall. And newer cards will possibly be 18-22k or so which replace this and may take longer perhaps. So that means no gaming for 6 months. Better to buy the system later and go for haswell.
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I only wish to buy

i5 CPU (I can stretch my budget).
Mobo a good one, on your recommendations.
SMPS.
Cabinet.
RAM.
Core i5 3550 Rs. 13.1k
GA-B75M-D3H Rs. 4.5k
G.Skill DDR3 1333 4GB x2 Rs. 2.6k
VS450 Rs. 2.5k
CM Elite 310 Rs. 1.8k
Total: Rs. 24.5k
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hey y dont u think about this AMD FX series

http://www.flipkart.com/amd-3-6-ghz-am3-fx-8150-processor/p/itmd54hr8g2uncur
its a 8core, 16MB cache cpu and around 12k-15K INR

See AMD FX series its better config than i5 and its so cheap and its better for OC
well i dont know alot about amd fx series but its looks good and cheaper price and it gives you double the config vs. i5 2500k or 3770k.
it has 8 CORES, 16 MB CACHE MEMORY, 3.6 GHz with Maximum Turbo Speed of 4.2 GHz, 125 W MAX TDP, Integrated Graphics.... everything just around 12 K - 15 K
hope u like it..
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Amd fx is crap for gaming
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Core i5 3550 Rs. 13.1k
GA-B75M-D3H Rs. 4.5k
G.Skill DDR3 1333 4GB x2 Rs. 2.6k
VS450 Rs. 2.5k
CM Elite 310 Rs. 1.8k
Total: Rs. 24.5k
Thanks for the reply mfenn. Good Configuration. My backup, if all else fails.

How About:

Intel Core i5 3570k 14350/-

Gigabyte gaz77md3h
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Gigabyte GA-Z77P-D3
or
Gigabyte Z77X-D3H
or
Asus P8 Z77m 9600/-

Cooler Master Thunder 500W 2850/-

CPU Cooler = ?

G.Skill RIPJAWS 4GB x2 1600MHz 3200/-

NZXT Gamma 2200/-

All Inclusive 35k ( High )

Processor I really want i5 3570k.

Motherboard I can get bare minimum, as suggested by AaksheyTalwar ASROCK.

What else can I compromise on?
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hey y dont u think about this AMD FX series

http://www.flipkart.com/amd-3-6-ghz-am3-fx-8150-processor/p/itmd54hr8g2uncur
its a 8core, 16MB cache cpu and around 12k-15K INR

See AMD FX series its better config than i5 and its so cheap and its better for OC
well i dont know alot about amd fx series but its looks good and cheaper price and it gives you double the config vs. i5 2500k or 3770k.
it has 8 CORES, 16 MB CACHE MEMORY, 3.6 GHz with Maximum Turbo Speed of 4.2 GHz, 125 W MAX TDP, Integrated Graphics.... everything just around 12 K - 15 K
hope u like it..
Service & Support? Also as aakshey mentioned.
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Core i5 3550 Rs. 13.1k
GA-B75M-D3H Rs. 4.5k
G.Skill DDR3 1333 4GB x2 Rs. 2.6k
VS450 Rs. 2.5k
CM Elite 310 Rs. 1.8k
Total: Rs. 24.5k
Looks excellent, no comments there...

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Thanks for the reply mfenn. Good Configuration. My backup, if all else fails.

How About:

Intel Core i5 3570k 14350/-

Gigabyte gaz77md3h
or
Gigabyte GA-Z77P-D3
or
Gigabyte Z77X-D3H
or
Asus P8 Z77m 9600/-

Cooler Master Thunder 500W 2850/-

CPU Cooler = ?

G.Skill RIPJAWS 4GB x2 1600MHz 3200/-

NZXT Gamma 2200/-

All Inclusive 35k ( High )

Processor I really want i5 3570k.

Motherboard I can get bare minimum, as suggested by AaksheyTalwar ASROCK.

What else can I compromise on?
CPU: good
MB: good, the Asrock Z77 Pro3 or Pro4 is a good choice too.
RAM: good. But if you want to save a bit, get the cheapest DDR3-1600 kit available...
Cooler: The included Intel stock cooler is good enough.
PSU: DON'T cheap out on this. Its the most important component in the system. The Corsair CX430 or Antec Earthwatts 380W are two solid budget offers.

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hey y dont u think about this AMD FX series

http://www.flipkart.com/amd-3-6-ghz-am3-fx-8150-processor/p/itmd54hr8g2uncur
its a 8core, 16MB cache cpu and around 12k-15K INR

See AMD FX series its better config than i5 and its so cheap and its better for OC
well i dont know alot about amd fx series but its looks good and cheaper price and it gives you double the config vs. i5 2500k or 3770k.
it has 8 CORES, 16 MB CACHE MEMORY, 3.6 GHz with Maximum Turbo Speed of 4.2 GHz, 125 W MAX TDP, Integrated Graphics.... everything just around 12 K - 15 K
hope u like it..
Forget about the FX. Its about the same performance as the 3570K, but has lower single thread performance and higher power consumption. It also does NOT have an integrated GPU...

The only FX CPU I'd recommend is the 6300. But only for very specific use...
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Looks excellent, no comments there...
CPU: good
MB: good, the Asrock Z77 Pro3 or Pro4 is a good choice too.
RAM: good. But if you want to save a bit, get the cheapest DDR3-1600 kit available...
Cooler: The included Intel stock cooler is good enough.
PSU: DON'T cheap out on this. Its the most important component in the system. The Corsair CX430 or Antec Earthwatts 380W are two solid budget offers.
Even while OC the Stock cooler is sufficient? Or do I need a budget cooler for that?

I am planning on buying a 500W Cooler Master Thunder 500W 500 Watts PSU. Hope that is enough for OC i5 and 1 GFX Card (eg 7770).
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Even while OC the Stock cooler is sufficient? Or do I need a budget cooler for that?

I am planning on buying a 500W Cooler Master Thunder 500W 500 Watts PSU. Hope that is enough for OC i5 and 1 GFX Card (eg 7770).
Remember we are only talking about a 77W CPU here. My own i7-3770 only consumes ~77W at 4.3GHz. At default clocks (3.4-3.9GHz) it pulls ~69W full load. So its not a massive amount of heat that needs to be removed. That said I guess it can get a little warmer in India (wouldn't mind if you send a few degrees C up here... ). I don't know if you can get it, but the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ is an excellent budget-friendly cooler...

A good quality 500W is more then enough to run an overclocked i5 + GFX card. The only reason you'd need more power is if you run an SLI or Crossfire setup.
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Processor I really want i5 3570k.
I thought your goal was "Will be using PC for Moderate gaming : FPS & RPG's. Crysis, CoD, PoP etc 720P". If that's still true, I don't see why you're so set on the 3570K. If you really can jump the budget by another 10k, then you should spend that on the GPU instead of trying to get an overclockable CPU.

The GPU will increase your gaming performance by about 10 times, while an overclockable CPU would maybe get you a 1.5 times improvement. So you should get my build as I specified but add the 7770 GHz edition for Rs. 9.6K and call it a day.
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