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Old 12-08-2012, 05:41 PM   #526
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When it comes to VIA chipsets like this and the P4M series keep the cool then getting 300mhz is a lot easier. I once had a Biostar P4M890 that I used to run the chipset at 310mhz but any further was tricky. The PT880 isn't different in that regard, I don't passively cool them but use fans and decent blocks to keep the temps low.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:10 AM   #527
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Tried that, it doesn't work. Not even holding it five seconds to turn it off. Reset button works though.
Sounds like a problem with PSU to front panel wiring. Even if you did it right, the case itself could have some defect in the wiring.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:32 PM   #528
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I just picked up a QX6700 and I`m wondering how it will run on this board I have the 2.39a Bios as well any Ideas?


Does anyone Know if I can use the upper Supposedy unlocked multi`s on this 4coredualvsta?

Well Quoting myself kind of getting expensive guess I found my answer at least on my Conroe865PE



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Old 12-10-2012, 09:50 AM   #529
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AZRoCker42, nice going!
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:18 PM   #530
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As far as I know, that processor works without a problem on this board with that bios.

But I don't think this board has upward unlockable mp's. That all depends on your cpu , not the board.
It works on my Conroe865PE
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:25 PM   #531
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It works on my Conroe865PE
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Wow nice, is that because this bios version supports it, or does the motherboard support it on every bios (also the pc-treiber -beta ones) .

Also didn't know your conroe was unlocked. Cool!
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:38 PM   #532
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Sounds like a problem with PSU to front panel wiring. Even if you did it right, the case itself could have some defect in the wiring.


Yes it s very weird.

* What I did now: I unclipped the two wires from the plug which you normally plug onto the motherboard at the ''power switch" pins.

And I plugged the green wire (the +/pulse wire) directly on the green wire of the main ATX 20-wire connector. And the ground to one of the grounds (black) of the ATX-20 connector.

Still it doesn't make any difference. It works fine switching it on. But the pc doesn't turn of entirely.


* About the previous issue regarding a decent and stable OC, over 266 Mhz FSB. Still it isn''t stable with this high speed memory when overclocking. Neither with your settings or Mr. Vains.

Your tip of keeping it at 266 Mhz and turn the timing to 1T instead of 2T, you would say that should work at least for memory running 60% below it top speeds.

It produces the same results, sooner or later , a crash/blue screen/ or stuttering audio+hang.

Anymore suggestions.

I've got high speed DDR2 memory, no faults in memtest. But just running at 266MHZ 2T, because I can't overclock it in any way rock stable, makes it the bottleneck.

(need to fix it, in 3 weeks 2 mates are coming over to LAN for a day: World of Tanks ;-)
Due to this limitations, the cpu and memory are bottlenecking my Ati HD3850 AGP, because WOT is a single-core driven game ridiculously enough.)
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:19 PM   #533
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Hello everybody.

I've read extensively through this thread and the previous threads this one was derived from. (actually more then 4-5 hours of reading, so i really tried!)
I've read a lot of instructions and tried a lot of mentioned settings. (also I'm no stranger to overclocking, even hardcore: my first mod was cutting open an athlon k7 SLOT A and attached a 'goldfinger'-device to it. (after months of looking for one) to be able to raise the multiplier. getting my athlon 750 Mhz to 900+ mhz, Old times... aaah


Still... i can't seem to get a stable overclock. The system I''m talking about has:

Mobo: 4coredual-vsta (with newest modded bios 2.39a from pctreiber)
Cpu: c2d E4500 from 2,2Ghz -> 2,93Ghz (bsel modded to 266 fsb, without any volt mod, runs perfectly on that)
2x 1 GB DDR2: OCZ2RPR12002GK (fastest DDR2 available) 1200 MHZ
AGP Card: Sapphire 3850 512mb

I tried to overclock from the standard fsb of 266 mhz, with little steps even by 1 mhz
with: pci-e sync and asynch;
with pci-e locked at 101 and on auto;
with intel speedstep on and off, even with a lower multiplier
with memory flexibility on and off;
with v-link : fast and normal;
with memory timings at auto and with manual set (accourding to spd fsb+timings tables in cpu-z);
(the memory on 266 and 333 mhz both, which is waaaayy under the speed it can run so memory can't be it. It runs on 1:1 at a half of the speeds it's able to run at. (memory is tested and ok btw.)

I don't seem to get it stable... Whether it's in Windows or during booting, sooner or later i get crashes, blue screens mostly.

Please Mr. Vain and other pro's on this motherboard. Can you walk me trough options/ settings i can try out. I could use some coaching.
(Because I read a lot fo people who don't even have to up the vcore (agp voltage) with overclocks between 267 adn 290~300)

I'm quite a good and patient overclocker with quite some experience.. I also have a feeling this CPU at least should be able to do around 290 fsb. (even 270 would be sth at least).

Can you guys assist me?


EDIT: With memory Flexibility ON, the pc always boots with memory at 200 Mhz (201 according to cpu-z) even when I've set 266 mhz or 333 mhz as memory speed setting!
I have played with this Board 4coredualvsta and the Conroe 865PE until I found out about everything I could know about it only to find out I need something else! THen I got stupid It all happened when I got this QX6700 which If I was not so stressed out probably would not have gotten at the time. Anyway I finally got some DDR2 to try out on this board the DualVSTA I got CorsairXMS2 800 well after that I cannot overclock high enough to get it to run at 400mhz I noticed with timings 4-4-4-13 I got 7900+memread speeds at 282 FSB I put mem voltage to high and V-link always Normal never worked on Fast for me. 290 was it with my E5200 but I think it was for my board as well. Also not really sure but I never tried overclocking a 65nm chip very far yet except a Presler which went really high and was HOT. I do not know about your Chip. I leave my bios pick the timings for me with DDR2 set it to 667 and try to get higher FSB when my DDR went to about 700 I believe in CPU-z it actually had a slower benchmark score in Everest so right around 280 was best and responsive as this board ever got for me. I always disable Speedstep so I can adjust the multi lower so I can see if the Ram is holding back the FSB speed and I got it to boot at 292 was it for me at 300 no boot at all but I do have a 200 FSB chip just picked up 2 more CPU`s but have not tryed them out on it yet because I got a different Board and PCI`E card finally WInter now got to have something to do inside! Way UP North don`t own a snowmobile. I did wonder why CPU says SPD is 5-5-5-18 for my XMS2800. bought it for this Asus P5W DH Deluxe Hope it runs I got it off E-Bay and the Socket pins are bent been working on it for hours cause my Pci-E card will be here tommorow so could not run it. I could get about 3.3 GHZ stable enough to Play a game without crashes with the E5200 It seemed much better and Stable though at around 3.2. Good Luck


EDIT: just looked up your DDR I don`t buy OCZ anymore bad RMA anyway I bet your mem is not Stable under Load because of needing or at least requiring more Voltage it says it is 2.1v in specs I do not know how to check it on this board without a meter I have never found any software and I know you cannot adjust it in the Bios to 2.1v

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Old 01-08-2013, 05:33 PM   #534
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I registered here to ask you a few questions.My motherboard is Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2.I'am running Win 7(64-bit) on a Q8300 CPU.Graphic card is NVidia GeForce 9500.I bought 2 x2 GB of Kingston 800Mhz RAM,but i realized that without flashing BIOS I can boot with only with 2GB of RAM.I downloaded BIOS image from the german site,and burned it per instructions(on one CD).It boots as a Floppy.My current BIOS is 1.20.I never flashed BIOS before so I have to ask you some (stupid) questions.
1.Can I flash directly from 1.20 to 2.20a ?
2.What is your experience with 2.20a?Can it harm my system?
3.Is my hardware compatabile with 2.20a?
This was me two months ago.Flashing went well,everything was great until maybe 15 days ago when Windows started freezing randomly.I had to put out 2GB RAM and went back to 32-bit Windows,but nothing happened.Can somebody help me.My settings in BIOS are default(i didn't want to mess up anything).Now i just want a stable system Actually maybe it has nothing to do with BIOS because it worked perfectly the first 40 days,but i wanted to hear your comments.Thanks
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xdogma,

The default BIOS settings should work, but one or two of the settings make these boards run poorly, such as not enabling Pipeline DRQCTL. Please see post 514 for a look at my settings. Just above it are the settings used by Mr. Vain.

Thoughts:
-DDR2 slot2 is finicky. keep re-installing the mem sticks until the BIOS sees them reliably for several boots in a row
-be sure you are using RAM that does not require more voltage than these boards give
-re-seat all cables and components

Your random freezes may no have had anything to do with the HW. Always check Event Viewer in Admin Tools to get the cause of freezing. You may need to learn how to use a tool to read the minidump files Windows creates when it crashes.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:25 AM   #536
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Hi,


I would like to present this project of mine, if that's OK with you.
It consists in achieving 1:1 FSB / DRAM ratio
and stabilizing the 4CoreDual with a mild overclocking, without using any v-mod.
Even though it's slightly off topic, I will say a word or two about how the GeForce 7600 behaves.

Some BIOS settings, screenshots and explanations to follow

Code:
* CPU CONFIGURATION
CPU Host Frequency [Manual]
BIOS Default (Auto)
CPU Frequency [278]
Mild adjustment I know, but fine with me.
To those who still wonder,
a more powerful (all things being equal) graphic adapter will significantly reduce the headroom for any standard overclocking
BIOS Default (266)
PCIE Clock [Sync with CPU]
BIOS Default (Auto)
AGP/PCI Clock [66 / 33]
BIOS Default (Auto)
Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
Apparently, only high-precision devices in the room (e.q. not fm receivers) would benefit from having this enabled
BIOS Default (Auto)
Boot Failure [Enabled]
Ratio Actual Value 10
Do not hesitate to start with a lower ratio (x9, then x9.5 in this case).
After all, overclocking is about making compromises, not merely a GHz race
BIOS Default (10)
Enhanced Halt State [Enabled]
Glad that feature was implemented with the unofficial bios'
As you all know, it will make the ratio change dynamically from 6 to whatever the CMOS value is
BIOS Default (Disabled)
Max CPUID Value Limit [Disabled]
Cpu Thermal Throttling [Disabled]
Some kind of Pentium 4 related security feature (to prevent overheating)
BIOS Default (Enabled)
No-execute Memory Protection [Disabled]
Intel {R} SpeedStep{tm} tech. [Disabled]
BIOS Default (Enabled)


* CHIPSET SETTINGS
DRAM Frequency [266MHz {DDRII533)]
With PC2-5300's (which nominal clock speed is 333 MHz),
the Asrock BIOS defaults to 266 MHz speed
BIOS Default (Auto)
Flexibility option [Disabled]
DRAM CAS# Latency [5]
BIOS Default (Auto)
DRAM Bank Interleave [4-Way]
BIOS Default (Auto)
Precharge to Active {Trp} [4T]
BIOS Default (Auto)
Active to precharge {Tras} [12T]
BIOS Default (Auto)
Active to CMD {Trcd} [4T]
While adjusting BIOS settings, I recommend those loose timings that are supposedly used with DDR2 @ 333MHz
eq 5-5-5-13
Could be a temporary solution for stabilization purposes.
Anyway, these timings of mine are a mix between the 2 JEDEC values, and it seems OK as no error did show up in MemTest86+.
BIOS Default (Auto)
REF to ACT/REF to REF {Trfc} [Auto]
Trfc (Tfc) doesn't show up in CPU-Z, AIDA64 mentions 34
ACT {0} to ACT {1} Trrd [Auto]
Read to Precharge {Trtp [Auto]
Write to read CMD (Twrt) [Auto]
Write Recovery Time (Twr) [Auto]
DRAM BUS Selections [Dual Channel]
BIOS Default (Auto)
DRAM Command Rate [2T Command]

- Advanced Memory Configuration
DRAM Drv & DCLK Ctrl [Auto]
(All four)
CLKBUF Skew [300ps]
(All four)
I chose to set skew @ 300ps for stabilization purposes.
BIOS Default (Auto)

- Advanced Host Configuration
Pipeline DRQCTL [Enabled]
Enabling this is more effective for DDR1 type of DRAM, supposedly
(in terms of increased theoretical memory bandwidth)
but it doesn't seem to affect my DDR2 setup
BIOS Default (Auto)
GTL Control [Auto]

* CHIPSET SETTINGS (continued)
DRAM Voltage [Normal]
BIOS Default (Auto)
AGP Voltage [High]
Cranks up Northbridge voltage
BIOS Default (Auto)
Primary Graphics Adapter [PCI-Express gfx]
BIOS Default (PCI)
AGP Mode, Fast Write, Aperture Size
NA (I would probably use 4X, Enabled and 32 MB with the AGP card)
BIOS Default (Auto, Disabled, 64 MB)
V-Link Speed [Normal]
Setting this to Fast could lead to a faster boot, but also to pushing the chipset beyond its limit.
PCI Delay transaction [Enabled]
Merely allows write-posting to continue while a non-postable PCI transaction is underway (source : TechARP).
Never noticed any benefit from setting this to disabled
(such a basic queuing mechanism, I am sure even Asrock engineers were able to implement this PCI 2.1 feature correctly!)
IDE Drive Strength [Normal]
Never noticed any benefit from setting this to Low or Ultra-high, but my main (C:) HDD isn't an IDE one
PCIE Downstream Pipeline [Disabled]
I think it's safe to say the PCIE Pipeline should be disabled in most of the cases
BIOS Default (Auto)
PCIE VC1 Request Queue [Disabled]
BIOS Default (Auto)
HD Onboard Audio [Disabled]
BIOS Default (Enabled)
Echo TPR Disable [Auto]
I have no idea what this is, I simply noticed people switch it to Auto (sheepish behavior I guess!)
BIOS Default (Enabled)

Just in case some of you are interested :
* ACPI SETTINGS
ACPI HPET Table [Enabled]
BIOS Default (Disabled)


* ADVANCED PCI~PNP SETTINGS
PCI Latency Timer [64]
BIOS default (32)
PCI IDE Busmaster [Enabled]
Pictures of the corresponding BIOS settings

Overview :


CPU :


Advanced Memory :


Advanced Host :


Chipset (first part) :


Chipset (continued) :





OS : x86 Windows Vista Ultimate SP2

Intel Dual Core E7300 (2.66 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB, 3 MB L2 Cache)
2x 1 GB Transcend DDR2-667 PC2-5300 CL5 (1.8 V modules) sticks
CL4 (CAS 4), evenmoreso CL3 rated DRAM, whether DDR2-667 or 533 will probably cause trouble, except in compatibility mode.
If you don't find the DDR2 transition worthwhile, I suggest using DDR1 in compatibility mode.
This way, you will attain a nice 2:1 ratio (does not apply to non FSB-1066 CPUs),
and obtain the best timings (eq 2.5-3-3-3-6) with minimal BIOS tweaking.
Other DRAM manufacturer I could recommend modules from : Corsair, Kingston

Ordered from eBay a fanless GeForce 7600 GS as a replacement for the crappy 5200 FX.
Before switching, I was able to reach 300+ (310 max) FSB with the 5200 FX (and DDR1-400)
Not anymore : The 7600 GS seems to drain a lot more resources.
By the way, I noticed some people use an ATI X1950 based card, or even a HD 3850 in their rig.
Well, I don't think this mobo, with its somehow crippled PCIE bus, "deserves" such expensive / recent ATI cards (just my 2 cent).
This said, mine might inherit from the HD 4850 located on the main computer, when the latter gets (really) deprecated.

For this 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 from Asrock
I use the latest BIOS version, from PCtreiber (2.20a).

It, along with 2 HDDs and 2 optical drives, runs just fine with my old 320 W Enermax Noisetaker power supply
(up to 23A on the +12V).

CPU Temps are incredibly stable (43-44°C) as the CPU fan is regulated (PWM fan + fanmate)
GPU temps oscillate between 55 and 61°C (after about 1 hour of benchmarking)
No error show up after one hour of OCCT stress-testing (Core 1 temp raises up to 51°C).

As I said, I dumped the Geforce 5200 FX (AGP)
for the much more powerful (yet aging) PCI-E 7600 GS from GigaByte (a fanless / heatsink equipped model).
The funny thing is I had more than one driver to choose from, not even considering the WDDM one, but anyway.

In terms of overclocking, or should a say bumping / adjusting
a few values here and there, here are my results :
CPU : Starting @ 282, Vista's desktop would be garbled. I decided to stick with 278,
which brings the CPU clock speed upper limit to around 2780 MHz
GPU : Gigabyte already overclocked the GPU core from 200 to 250 MHz,
so I simply overclocked the memory (GDDR-2) from 200 to 250 MHz via Afterburner (by 12 units steps).

This aside, in terms of compatibility,
I was getting severe artefacts in Internet Explorer 9 (even with the wddm driver),
same issues with the default picture viewer.
I suppose Vista & Se7en's handling of hardware acceleration and desktop composition (Aero) are to blame,
as this generation of GeForce probably cannot handle those novelties very well.
I managed to get rid of IE artefacts (especially annoying with multiple tabs opened) by reverting to software rendering instead of using GPU rendering (in advanced options).


Time for some CPU-Z and GPU-Z captures

GPU-Z one



CPU-Z ones

- CPU highest value


- CPU lowest value


- Memory




And now, some measurements (antivirus set to disabled) :

Aquamark
Avg FPS: 60.12
Avg Triangles Per Second: 18098076
Aquamark Score Render: 11615
Aquamark Score Simulation: 6232
Aquamark Score: 60120


3Dmark 2001SE
20075 marks

3Dmark '03
10551 marks
What an ugly series of tests (except for Mother Nature)!

3Dmark '05
4816 marks

3Dmark '06
NA
Too many artefacts. Plus, annoying slowdowns at this resolution (1280x1024).


Bottom line : Would I recommend the Asrock 4CoreDual (or similar boards based on VIA's PT880 chipset) ?
If you plan to overclock with a decent gfx adapter plugged in, not really (again, it might be worth it if you apply some v-mod I am not familiar with). Not to mention the badly documented, potentially troublesome (e.q. the infamous PCIE Downstream Pipeline) BIOS settings. Then you have to deal with the Vista / Se7en (Windows 8, despite a lighter Aero engine, is concerned too) artefacts I mentioned (having in mind I barely did check a pair of 3D games for potential lock-ups, artefacts...);
That is if your budget wouldn't allow you to pick up something else than a used 6xxx or 7xxx GeForce (check the VGA compatibility list published on asrock.com page).

However, combining x86 Windows XP (SP3) + a compatible / reasonably powerful gfx card + DDR1 (+ patience!) amount to a very stable, affordable, fast (compared to the older generation of chipsets) and overclockable machine. If you really wish to use a more powerful gfx card, you will have to relinquish on 300+ FSB overclocking IMHO (except if you're very lucky).


Addendum : It is possible to display up to 4 screens (I think they call this MultiView, nothing to do with SLI obviously) simultaneously, as both an AGP and a PCI-E adapter can be plugged in at the same time.

I would like to thank all the people who provided us some results and hints from hours and hours of stress testing here, and on various boards.



Any question or comment welcome!

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Old 01-18-2013, 12:38 AM   #537
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Try the 4850. Got 10k on 3dMark06 with my 8800GTS.
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I too have owned the 4core dual-vsta for the better part of 6 years now. I've tried two different processors on it and in both cases could never get a satisfactory overclock following all of the conventional wisdom in this thread and the previous ones that were closed. I am using the 2.39a pc-trieber bios mod.

CPU 1: E4300. I bought this cpu when I bought the M/B, 6 years ago. Best I could do on this baby was 223x9=2007Mhz. I chalked it up to the cpu needing more voltage and my unwillingness to do volt mods.

CPU 2: Q6600. Picked this baby up for $55 recently. I was on a quest to upgrade this system in <$100 to get it to last me another 3 years or so. I'll talk about the rest of the investment shortly. The Q6600 does the infamous "blinking dash in the upper left corner after successfully posting" at even stock speeds! I know Asrock warns on their site that 4 core processors will be clocked 5% lower, but it looks like they're serious. I've tried every bios trick on here, but in the end it settles on a top FSB of 262 for a speed of 2.36Ghz. At this FSB, setting the DDR2 to 667Mhz works and gives slightly better performance than at 533.

I have 2x1024MB DDR400 and 2x2048MB DDR2-667 in my inventory. I've tried them both, with and without flexibility mode as well as all the other tricks we've all talked about on here. Both memory types perform identically so in the end I stick with the DDR2 because it nets me an additional 1265MB of usable RAM. The DDR2 is 1.8v, so that's not it. I have a feeling my particular motherboard is just not cut out for overclocking. I do wonder, though, how I would've made out with an E7600 vs the Q6600. We'll probably never know...

So on to the other part of my <$100 upgrade...the video card. When I originally built the system, I put an Nvidia 6800GS AGP in. Just a tad slower than a 6800GT. Then, not too long ago, I got a free 8500GT PCI-E 512MB (it was reported to be overheating, but it's worked great for me so far). On paper, it should be about 15% faster than the 6800GS, but in reality it was more like 5% faster. Good enough, as it is much quieter and draws much less power. At any rate, I took a look on ebay and came across a deal I couldn't pass up: an 8800GTX 768MB for $39 shipped. Unfortunately, it arrived with serious graphical corruption. Fortunately, the seller buys these in bulk and is sending me a replacement for the cost of shipping. So I'll be testing that out when it arrives.

The reason I'm only using Nvidia cards is my computer is Linux-only and Nvidia has better built-in driver support in Xubuntu 12.04 LTS.

As the system currently stands (with the Q6600 and 8500GT), it idles at the desktop drawing a total of 61 watts, thanks to SpeedStep and Thermal Throttling. With all 4 cores pegged in a PI benchmark (the Linux equivalent to SuperPI), it draws just over 120W, and in the Nexuiz FPS built-in benchmark, it draws a maximum of 100W (Nexuiz only uses 2 cores and the 8500GT is very power efficient as it gets all its power from the slot).

Also, I have a new Western Digital VelociRaptor 500GB SATA6 drive. Got it for $79 on Black Friday (it currently runs for $150). I didn't specifically buy this drive for the 4core system. The price was so good I snagged it for a future build, but until then it's living in the 4core. The SATA1.5 interface on this M/B does cap the drive's max speeds from 188MB/sec to 140MB/sec, but it's still very fast.

I'll report back with a hopefully working 8800GTX to describe how it performs on the x4 PCI-E bus. On Tom's Hardware's Graphics Charts, the 8800GTX averages over 3x faster than the 8500GT, so we'll see what that comes out to on a bottlenecked x4 bus.

Specs:
Asrock 4core dual-VSTA w/pc-trieber 2.39a bios
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.36Ghz (262x9)
3.2GB DDR2-667
Nvidia 8500GT PCI-E 512MB
Sound Blaster Live! PCI
WD VelociRaptor 500GB

PS, any other users with a Q6600 please share any success stories along with bios settings!

Thanks!

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Old 01-24-2013, 01:06 AM   #539
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Well, you sure picked two of the hardest CPUs to OC, unfortunately, especially the Q6600. I had the original E6300 at 300, the E4500 at around 280 with no volt pin mod, and now the E7600 at 285, but I'm not pushing it.

Good luck with the 8800GTX; should be good.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:55 AM   #540
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Thanks. I like the idea of having four cores, even though in reality the E7600 at 3277Mhz will run circles around it in most scenarios. How much did you get your E7600 for? I looked at those on ebay and they were rare and way out of my price range. For some reason the Q6600 is much more reasonable...typically in the $60 range.

What I thought was really interesting was I dropped the multiplier to 8 and still could not come close to the Q6600's stock speed. I'll have to retest because I can't remember the specifics and didn't document them, but it seems as if I still topped out at <266 on the FSB while on the 8 multiplier.

On the plus side, the Q6600 runs very cool (it's a G0 stepping). I'm using the stock cooler with Arctic Silver. Granted it's winter and typically around 65 F in the room the PC is in, but the CPU idles at around 35C. It takes a 4M PI calculation (roughly 2.5 minutes with all four cores maxed out) to get the cpu into the high 40's. I don't think I've ever seen it break 50C.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:55 AM   #541
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It took me around 4 months of patiently waiting for a good deal on the E7600, off eBay, but I don't remember the price, maybe $75, but that was some time ago.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:43 AM   #542
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Just wanted to confirm that lowering the multiplier does not appear to work properly with the Q6600. The same 262 FSB limit applies even when lowering the multiplier. Once I get into the OS, all system info utilities are giving me information that indicates the system is still running at the default multipler.

bios set to 262x9=2.36Ghz
bios set to 262x8 should equal 2.1Ghz, but in the OS, every util still says I'm running at 2.36Ghz.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:15 PM   #543
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I bought a 4CoreDual-SATA2 last year from Geeks.com and currently it runs as a server with a Core 2 Extreme X6800 @ 12x multiplier, 4GB DDR2 and a GeForce 6200 AGP. My PCIe slot only worked maybe once or twice and one of the DDR slots is toast, but it runs fine otherwise. Played with it for a while with an HD 3850 AGP but decided to use my AM2NF3-VSTA to unlock the full potential of that card with a Phenom II X4 965BE. I had plenty of fun with it but I didn't like the dual core for gaming, nor did I want to shell out a ton of money for a QX6700.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:11 PM   #544
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Got the replacement 8800 GTX today. So far it's working great. Amazing increase over the 8500 GT PCI-E and 6800 GS AGP. Granted, my monitor limits my gaming resolution to 1440x900, but where on the other cards I had to crank detail settings in the low to medium range, the 8800 GTX lets me max them out. Games tested are Nexuiz and Team Fortress II. Nexuiz in particular runs faster on the highest graphical setting (Ultra) than either of the other cards ran at the Normal setting. Both were unplayable slideshows at the High and Ultra settings.

I'm not aware of a framerate benchmark for Team Fortress II, but subjectively, it's smoother at the maxed out settings (4x AA, 16x Anisotropic) than the other cards were at the lowest settings.

The 8800 GTX is a pretty quiet card too. Does better than expected given the x4 PCI-E limitation. The only gotcha is it requires two PCI-E internal power connectors. My PSU only had one, so I had to spend $5 on a molex adaptor for the 2nd one.

In terms of system power consumption, SpeedStep and Thermal Throttling help the Q6600 stay cool and quiet at idle, but the 8800 GTX takes a lot of juice. With the 8500 GT, total system power draw was 61 W at idle. With the 8800 GTX, it's 113 W. Peak consumption in 3D gaming goes from ~100 to ~230 W, still well within my 430 W PSU's capabilities.

It's official, I'm squared away for another 3 years or so, which would put the lifespan of the 4core Dual-VSTA at 10 years, with less than $100 of upgrades in it's lifespan.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:54 AM   #545
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It's official, I'm squared away for another 3 years or so, which would put the lifespan of the 4core Dual-VSTA at 10 years, with less than $100 of upgrades in it's lifespan.
Not bad! This'll be my sixth year with the board, iirc. Right now I am bumming a bit, though, since I need a free PCIe slot for an add-in I'd like (SSD on PCIe). Otherwise, no need to upgrade.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:37 PM   #546
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Before switching (graphic cards), I was able to reach 300+ (310 max) FSB with the 5200 FX (and DDR1-400)
Good news! I am currently able to reach 300 FSB, assuredly a more acceptable value considering we're talking about overclocking (+12.8% bus speed). OCCT stress test failed with FSB set @308, even with a lower CPU ratio (x8).

Hence, I favored a high CPU Ratio : x9.5.
Consecutively, CPU clock speed (upper limit) is set to a nicer 2.85 GHz.

I used the SPD profile corresponding to 333 MHz to loosen down all of my DDR2 timings, not just CAS. Meaning, this time I went on tweaking the remaining chipset values from Trfc to Twr, including Trcd and Trp of course.
Using AIDA64, I grabbed @333 MHz DDR2 SPD values 5-5-5-15-43-3-3-3-5,
giving up on the @266 MHz ones, which read 4-4-4-12-34-2-2-2-4 (the memory controller would default to these values when set to 266/auto).

I decided to stick with the common 5-5-5-15 (plus the other values from the first mentioned SPD profile).
It did the trick, I was able to push the FSB to 300 stable, on the ground that OCCT v4.3 stress test would run flawlessly for 2 hours.

Even though 300 is (exactly) half way between 266 and 333, selecting the highest values brought some well-needed stability (I assume this mobo's strong point is versatility not stability, especially with DDR2) to this overclocked ensemble.
In case you're still wondering : It should be quite possible to set everything to auto with DDR2-533, but obviously DDR2-667 modules, cheap and widely available, need to be adjusted. Else they will run @333, which is a no-go to begin with, at least on my system.

By the way, I got the confirmation CLKBUF skew's affect favorably one's overclocking (source overclock.net). Minimal values are sufficient, so I suggest switching these four settings to 150 ps. I know some people feel bad for loosening DDR timings when overclocking, but 150 ps is not much. Light travels less than half a meter in 150 picoseconds. For the beauty of it, you may set respectively A to 150 ps and B to 300 ps (cf. screenshot), since the latter memory banks are located farther to the CPU.



On to the updated screenshots and benchmarks scores :

Pictures of the corresponding BIOS settings

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- Chipset :




- Advanced Memory :





CPU-Z ones

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- CPU lowest value




- Memory




Aquamark
Avg FPS: 60.45
Avg Triangles Per Second: 18197668
Aquamark Score Render: 11660
Aquamark Score Simulation: 6276
Aquamark Score: 60450

3Dmark 2001SE
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3Dmark '05
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The 7600 GS seems to drain a lot more resources.
Well, a mere 32 watts, which is about half of the FX's power consumption, my mistake.
This said, it might still use more "resources" (system resources) under full load because of how the PCI-E was implemented.
On that subject, don't follow my example, get a better PSU (branded, e.q. an Antec 430W) if you can.

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Old 03-12-2013, 09:02 PM   #547
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It's been a long time since I last posted here!

I'm using the PCTreiber modded bios, 2.20a on my 4CoreDual-Sata2 board. Right now I have enabled in the bios both the Intel SpeedStep and the enhanced halt state options (seems to work fine). However, is it recommended to enable both, or is it a case that I should enable one but not the other? Stability seems fine, but to be honest, I don't know if enabling them is a good thing to do with this board, seeing that the stock ASRock bios doesn't have these features.

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My 4CoreDual-Sata2 has served me well for the past 5 years. I recently replaced my old e4600 CPU with a 2nd hand e7600 CPU. It all works great. I've OC'd my CPU to 3.22GHz, using 11.5 multiplier and 280 FSB. I'm using 4 gigs of Kingston HyperX DDR2-6400 (800), CL4. I use 3-3-3-9 and 1t timings. Memtest86+ passes as does Prime95. Nice.

Amazing how this board keeps on going!

Thanks for any feedback, much appreciated.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:45 AM   #548
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Hey Guys I'm back.

Some of you guys.. like Hlafordleas remember I had a LOT of struggles with my e4500. Pin mod orks fine but then overclocking not so well, evne though i did a volt mod also.

Now I might be able to get a e5400 which is baked on a 45 Nm procedé compared to the 65 Nm of the e4500.
It also has a 13,5 multiplier.

What do you say guys, should I go for it? (guys aks € 20,00 though).
And if yes, is it compatible with the 4core-dual vsta?

--Btw. still havent been able to solve the power+fans staying on after shutting down. (5 sec button hold-power off doesn't work either)--

Ow yes to the few peeps here who know me (and who dont know me), and just because I'm proud: I just became a father, for the first time, of a beautiful little girl. YEY

Okay, hope to hear advise on the e5400 and if it works, and how it mods/overclocks.

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Old 03-14-2013, 02:00 AM   #549
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Congrats!

I'm still on the 4Core but stopped tweaking so keep forgetting everything.
iirc, the E5400 should be OK on the 2.39a BIOS since it is Wolfdale R0 stepping.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:28 AM   #550
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Glad to see these old boards are still going strong for people. I had the 775Dual-VSTA for a long time, E4300 at 2.4 GHz on it. Was still going great when I sold it on this site a few years back. Never ran VSTA on it, though.
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