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Old 12-06-2012, 01:51 AM   #1
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Post Probably time for an upgrade

To cut to the jist, my current computer is over 4 years old (except the video card which I got somewhat recently). So I'd like to upgrade my CPU, Motherboard, RAM, and get a SSD. So besides the meaty parts, nothing else is needed. But I'll follow the pre-made application here since it was nicely laid out

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

Gaming! Mostly gaming and internet browsing. I hate loading screens. I am mucho impatient. Need much faster load times in games, starting up windows...everything.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

Would like to keep it under $400

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

USA

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

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5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

I guess this question is really just trying to figure out what parts I need, and those are: CPU, Motherboard, RAM, SSD

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

Not sure, sometimes I like to play around but generally only if I'm somewhat disappointed in performance which hopefully won't be the case

8. What resolution will you be using?

1920x1080

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?

In the next month or so perhaps.

X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?

No. And I'll be running Win7 64bit.

Will be very thankful for any advice/recommendations. Usually do most of my shopping on Newegg but don't mind using a different (but still reputable) site if it will save me some bucks.
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Number 5 is actually a really important question to answer fully. In this case though, a better way to go might be to post the complete specs of your current system.

If your graphics card is 4 years old a new CPU might not give you the jump in gaming performance you're looking for.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:25 AM   #3
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Yeah, what do you have now? I mean, if you spent $2000 on a super-overclocked multi-socket rig in '08, anything you can buy for $400 now is a sidegrade at best.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:10 PM   #4
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Kay, here's what I got now:

Intel E7200 Wolfdale Dual Core processor (2.4ghz)
BFG Tech ES SERIES ES-800 800W Continuous Power supply
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L motherboard
4GB Corsair DOMINATOR (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
Sapphire Radeon HD6770 (like I said in op, bought somewhat recently, maybe 7 months ago because my last vid card died, this one will probably die in less than a year 1/2 being a sapphire )
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Windows 7 x64

Keeping it under $400 is just a guideline but not absolutely necessary. Definitely gotta keep it under $500 though >_>

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Old 12-06-2012, 06:13 PM   #5
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What hard disk(s) do you have now?

Are you satisfied with the graphics performance? I'd suggest upgrading the CPU, motherboard, RAM and adding a small SSD. Then upgrade the GPU later. That CPU can't really handle any substantially faster grahpics card, and your budget is a bit tight to include a GPU upgrade as well
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:00 PM   #6
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+1 to lehtv's suggestion.

Do you have a Microcenter nearby? If so, the CPU/mobo/RAM (3570k/z77 mobo/ 2x4GB) should only run you about $260, leaving plenty for a 128GB SSD(another ~$100 for a sale). You could then save anything left for a future upgrade.

I went from a similar setup (e6750/4GB/DS3L) with a 5770 this summer and the improvement was significant (3570k/z77/2x4GB and a 256GB SSD). Later upgraded the GPU although the 5770 was doing pretty well still. You should be in good shape to get a nice bump in performance.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:44 PM   #7
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For $400 you could do this without access to an MC. Obviously you could do better if you had an MC nearby.

i5 3350P $180 AP
ASRock B75M-DGS $55
Samsung DDR3 1600 8GB $35
Samsung 830 128GB $135
Total: $405
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:31 PM   #8
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What hard disk(s) do you have now?

Are you satisfied with the graphics performance? I'd suggest upgrading the CPU, motherboard, RAM and adding a small SSD. Then upgrade the GPU later. That CPU can't really handle any substantially faster grahpics card, and your budget is a bit tight to include a GPU upgrade as well
Like I said in the OP, I'm not worried about a video card right now, all I need is CPU/mobo/ram/ssd.

No microcenters near here. I'm not so sure buying retail would save much anyhow since you would add tax on everything, but I guess it depends on how much the savings are. Gald RAM is mighty cheap these days , but maybe i'm just seeing the cheaper stuff.

Is anything AMD worth checking out these days? Do people run windows off their SSDs for best perforamnce?

Thanks for the suggestions
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:01 AM   #9
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For $400 you could do this without access to an MC. Obviously you could do better if you had an MC nearby.

i5 3350P $180 AP
ASRock B75M-DGS $55
Samsung DDR3 1600 8GB $35
Samsung 830 128GB $135
Total: $405
That RAM has a coupon to get it at 31.5$ = EMCJHND25
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:24 AM   #10
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For $400 you could do this without access to an MC. Obviously you could do better if you had an MC nearby.

i5 3350P $180 AP
ASRock B75M-DGS $55
Samsung DDR3 1600 8GB $35
Samsung 830 128GB $135
Total: $405
Given that the OP is somewhat interested in overclocking, I don't think this is the best setup.

Here's what I would suggest:
(1) Intel 3570K ($215): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116504
(2) AsRock Z75 Pro3 ($75AR+shipping): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157304
(3) The Samsung RAM above ($31.49).
(4) Samsung 840 120GB SSD ($100): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820167121

TOTAL: ~$430

Blows his budget by $30, but it has WAY more potential due to higher base speeds and the overclocking option. I've freed up some room in the budget with the Samsung 840, close in performance to the 830 but much cheaper.
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Like I said in the OP, I'm not worried about a video card right now, all I need is CPU/mobo/ram/ssd.
Yeah. I'll second Termie's parts suggestions, though if you must stay under $400 and preferably before rebates (they can take more than a month to arrive), change to i5-3470 $185 and Asrock H77M $70 or Asrock H77 Pro4/MVP $80

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Gald RAM is mighty cheap these days , but maybe i'm just seeing the cheaper stuff.
On the LGA1155 platform, RAM speed itself is damn near irrelevant, and as far as reliability/quality goes, almost all RAM is excellent in that respect. Not to say there aren't differences, but any major brand is going to be just fine. So the RAM you are seeing is indeed the cheaper stuff but not any lower quality - what makes RAM more expensive is the rated speed, unjustifiably so (i.e. faster RAM isn't worth paying that much extra for).

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Is anything AMD worth checking out these days?
For gaming rigs, not really. The only exceptions are low end rigs that use Trinity APU's and no discrete graphics, and low budget overclocker CPUs (Vishera FX4300 and 6300). For your budget, Intel i5-3570K is superior, there are no AMD CPUs that compete with it in gaming performance.

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Do people run windows off their SSDs for best perforamnce?
Yes. If you get a 120GB drive, it'll fit a few games as well, that will improve loading times considerably. If that's not a concern, i.e. you just want the OS itself and browsers and other apps to be more responsive, you can save a few bucks with a 60GB SS http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007P71IM0/?tag=pcpapi-20

Or you can get a 180GB SSD which will fit a larger library of games: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007P71JJM/?tag=pcpapi-20
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Old 12-07-2012, 01:10 PM   #12
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Kay, here's what I got now:

Intel E7200 Wolfdale Dual Core processor (2.4ghz)
BFG Tech ES SERIES ES-800 800W Continuous Power supply
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L motherboard
4GB Corsair DOMINATOR (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
Sapphire Radeon HD6770 (like I said in op, bought somewhat recently, maybe 7 months ago because my last vid card died, this one will probably die in less than a year 1/2 being a sapphire )
Creative Labs X-fi
Windows 7 x64

Keeping it under $400 is just a guideline but not absolutely necessary. Definitely gotta keep it under $500 though >_>
Ah... well, since you're not overclocking, budget hardware is fine to run at stock.

Can reuse your Case, PSU, sound card. Existing HDDs will probably be used as secondary drives in the new system? The 6770 (rebadged 5770 iirc) isn't a super-horrible card, my 7750s are about the same weight class. I'm kinda looking forward to the 8850 though.

CPU $190 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116781
Mobo - $85 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157304
RAM - $60 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820208788
SSD - $110 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148442

That puts you at $445 or so. You could save $50-60 on the CPU if you went with an i3, but I never, ever recommend skimping on CPU (I never know when I'll suddenly have to do something really CPU intensive for a while, often as a favor or something, usually with little notice. Last one was transcoding 5GB of WMA to MP3 for a confused new iPod owner. Spending the price of a video game or a month's supply of Mountain Dew up front can be a big headache saver later.)

Microcenter CPU/Mobo combos are usually less expensive if you have one near you.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:27 PM   #13
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Many thanks! Got pretty much all the info I need now. I wonder if 16gb of RAM would be noticeably better than 8gb. Like I said though, loading screens are the devil, so any improvement would be better.
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Many thanks! Got pretty much all the info I need now. I wonder if 16gb of RAM would be noticeably better than 8gb. Like I said though, loading screens are the devil, so any improvement would be better.
Not in the short term. I'm thinking futureproofing.

If you don't mind potentially spending more money for RAM later, you can save a few bucks now and go with 8GB.
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Yeah I gotta save some bucks somewhere, I guess it'll be on the RAM.

Here's my newegg cart: Pic

Now I just gotta figure out how to buy all those parts, AND xmas gifts for all my relatives. It ain't gonna be easy.

I've always been a newegg guy but wouldn't mind buying parts elsewhere if they were a good deal cheaper. I'm not even sure what other sites are out there for computer stuff, i've come to find that Zipzoomfly is long gone, though I never liked them much anyways
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Did you look at pcpartpicker? Does a search of sites for the best deals, however it does miss some. Every once and a while Amazon will come down in price, particularly on SSDs.
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dafuq dude? You don't need a 3570K. Especially not with that motherboard.
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dafuq dude? You don't need a 3570K. Especially not with that motherboard.
This is right, actually.

That 3570K is unlocked for overclocking, but B75 motherboards are not. Go with the z75 I listed above. It's $20 more but opens up huge amounts of performance potential.
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I stick by my original build because it sounds like money is tight for the OP. Sure, overclocking can get you a lot better performance, but doing it right requires spending another $100 ($30 B75 to Z77, $35 for K series i5, $35 for an HSF).
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Alrighty, so swap out the B75 mobo with a z75 and I'm good to go? The 3570k seems to be the best bang for the buck at the moment. Like you said, skimping on the cpu is never a good plan.


Will also try pcpartpicker but I've never had much bad luck with newegg, always end up happy.

Thanks again
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Alrighty, so swap out the B75 mobo with a z75 and I'm good to go? The 3570k seems to be the best bang for the buck at the moment. Like you said, skimping on the cpu is never a good plan.


Will also try pcpartpicker but I've never had much bad luck with newegg, always end up happy.

Thanks again
If it's in your budget, yes go for a 3570K and the z75. For major overclocking you'll need an aftermarket heatsink as mfenn mentioned, but you can get that later if you're interested.

If you are not comfortable with the cost, get the B75 and a 3470.

The 3570K is currently on sale at Newegg for $215, so jump on that if you can.
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bump!

Unfortunately the Z75 mobo I got was bad so have to send it back. I could just have them send another one and it would probably work but I kinda want to go with another Mobo after all the hassle that one caused, even though it was just that specific board.

SO, what other motherboards are a good choice for a 3570k that are in the same price range (under $100)?
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MSI Z77A-G41 $88 ($78 AR)
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Will give it a shot, thank ye good sir!

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