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Old 11-25-2012, 03:33 AM   #1
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Question Will we see HD8870 this year?

hi all,

Any updates about when AMD / ATI will release HD8870?
Will it be this year?

I see 79xx on sale around $300 mark, does it mean its to clear 79xx inventory before 8xxx?
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:10 AM   #2
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Sea Islands is slated for 2013 according to AMDs own roadmaps.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:11 AM   #3
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I don't think the 8000 series are anywhere near. Price drops are to counter marketshare drops last quarter, IMO.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:40 AM   #4
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we have 5 more weeks left and not a single rumor of release so of course there is zero chance of getting an 8870 this year.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:07 AM   #5
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The tech industry is slowing down - we're in a global recession, moores law is easing up slowly - I still have a 5850 and i72600k - one is 2.5 years old, the other 1.5 years - they still run most games at almost perfect frame rate in high detail.

Times are changing - AMD needs to make profit and the best way to do that, is to milk out sales of the existing product. I suspect you won't see the new AMD card until Q2 next year at least, and if rumours are true - it's not going to be a huge leap.
(although, considering I have a 5850, I'm still thinking about jumping in)
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:33 PM   #6
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The tech industry is slowing down - we're in a global recession, moores law is easing up slowly - I still have a 5850 and i72600k - one is 2.5 years old, the other 1.5 years - they still run most games at almost perfect frame rate in high detail.
Moore's law is not easing up, the markets have just changed. Moore's Law is alive and well with ARM and SoCs. Intel is still in the fight with tick/tock yearly releases. I don't know how you figured that even enthusiast GPUs have slowed, its only been seven months since the 680GTX was released and Nvidia has already dropped the Tesla K20 on GK110.

Hell, the iPhone 5 has double the computing power as the iPhone 4S and it wasn't 18 months between releases.
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The tech industry is slowing down - we're in a global recession, moores law is easing up slowly - I still have a 5850 and i72600k - one is 2.5 years old, the other 1.5 years - they still run most games at almost perfect frame rate in high detail.

Times are changing - AMD needs to make profit and the best way to do that, is to milk out sales of the existing product. I suspect you won't see the new AMD card until Q2 next year at least, and if rumours are true - it's not going to be a huge leap.
(although, considering I have a 5850, I'm still thinking about jumping in)
Moores law is about transistor count. Not performance.

And its very much alive today.
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:32 PM   #8
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Yep, while Moore's Law has gotten more expensive and complicated to pursue, it persists. Intel's still trucking along with its manufacturing process shrinks, ARM CPU makers are doing much the same, this year saw desktop GPUs go from 40 nm to 28 nm, etc.

Anyways, we haven't heard any rumors except maybe some design goals for the Radeon HD 8000 series. Unless AMD has really kept things tightly under wraps, I doubt we'll see them release a new GPU by the end of the year. I don't think they really want to, either, as they probably still have 7000 series inventory to move.
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:48 PM   #9
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Thanks everyone for the reply
Intel promised Ivy Bridge E for 2012 and pushed it to 2013 as well
I understand that desktop market has been shrinking ...

Looks like many dropped any new till Dec 21 2012 till someone will guide about what and how to do after ...
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:56 PM   #10
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Only thing new coming is the 7890 aka 7870 Tahiti with 1536sp due out Tuesday. Club 3D and PowerColor released already but not in US.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:27 PM   #11
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Thanks everyone for the reply
Intel promised Ivy Bridge E for 2012 and pushed it to 2013 as well
I understand that desktop market has been shrinking ...

Looks like many dropped any new till Dec 21 2012 till someone will guide about what and how to do after ...
I never seen they promised it for 2012.
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Yep, while Moore's Law has gotten more expensive and complicated to pursue, it persists. Intel's still trucking along with its manufacturing process shrinks, ARM CPU makers are doing much the same, this year saw desktop GPUs go from 40 nm to 28 nm, etc.

Anyways, we haven't heard any rumors except maybe some design goals for the Radeon HD 8000 series. Unless AMD has really kept things tightly under wraps, I doubt we'll see them release a new GPU by the end of the year. I don't think they really want to, either, as they probably still have 7000 series inventory to move.
There have been no reports of excess 7000 inventory. Unless you've seen something I haven't?

I think that AMD should be happy with their lineup right now. Instead of playing catchup there's no need to rush anything until nVidia has something better than their current cards ready (or almost ready). nVidia has just recently finished filling out their lineup, I assume they want to sell some of those new sku's and recover design costs before releasing a newer lineup. The 690 gives nVidia the fastest card so they can ride with that for a while, too.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:55 PM   #13
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There have been no reports of excess 7000 inventory. Unless you've seen something I haven't?

I think that AMD should be happy with their lineup right now. Instead of playing catchup there's no need to rush anything until nVidia has something better than their current cards ready (or almost ready). nVidia has just recently finished filling out their lineup, I assume they want to sell some of those new sku's and recover design costs before releasing a newer lineup. The 690 gives nVidia the fastest card so they can ride with that for a while, too.
No, I haven't heard anything, it was just a guess. I agree that AMD isn't in any rush.
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It looks like all tech companies are lowering their sails and just trying to ride out the financial storm these days. It will launch when it makes business sense, and when that is not even IMF knows.
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Yep, while Moore's Law has gotten more expensive and complicated to pursue, it persists. Intel's still trucking along with its manufacturing process shrinks, ARM CPU makers are doing much the same, this year saw desktop GPUs go from 40 nm to 28 nm, etc.
Moore's Law has by no means stopped, but I would say it has gotten slower. Technically speaking, Moore's Law predicts a doubling of transistor density (i.e. a full node shrink) every 18-24 months. TSMC has not been able to hit 24 months in the last half-decade or so, and even Intel is slipping.

TSMC 90->65: 20 months
TSMC 65->40: 27 months
TSMC 40->28: 28 months

Intel 65->45: 24 months
Intel 45->32: 24 months
Intel 32->22: 27 months

TSMC 20nm isn't expected until Q2 of 2014 (~30 months), and Intel 14nm is anyone's guess at this point.
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Intel 65->45: 24 months
Intel 45->32: 24 months
Intel 32->22: 27 months
To be fair, Intel's 22nm process was not just a node shrink.
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Moore's law is not easing up, the markets have just changed. Moore's Law is alive and well with ARM and SoCs. Intel is still in the fight with tick/tock yearly releases. I don't know how you figured that even enthusiast GPUs have slowed, its only been seven months since the 680GTX was released and Nvidia has already dropped the Tesla K20 on GK110.

Hell, the iPhone 5 has double the computing power as the iPhone 4S and it wasn't 18 months between releases.
It's very much slowed, I've been following this industry for nearly 20 years. It's slowed significantly.
My 1.5 year old 2600k is damn near top of the line.
My ATI 5850, while a bit weaker is 2.5 years old and still very competent.

Slowed.
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It's very much slowed, I've been following this industry for nearly 20 years. It's slowed significantly.
My 1.5 year old 2600k is damn near top of the line.
My ATI 5850, while a bit weaker is 2.5 years old and still very competent.

Slowed.
Significantly
I'll agree with you.
Just take a look at RAM, any changes for GDDR and DDR?
Any increase at bus speed?

Die shrinks - yes
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What you get for your money has increased with regards to RAM. With regards to CPUs, not so much, but that's because of a lack of competitive pressure on Intel from AMD.
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