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11-22-2012, 11:05 PM
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So is there a way for an illegal immigrant to get citizenship and stay in the country
Call me ignorant, but if someone was here illegally, either brought here or they chose to come here, can they get citizenship without having to leave the country?
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11-22-2012, 11:08 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2004
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11-22-2012, 11:25 PM
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Diamond Member
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Location: Bay Area
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they can marry an American and get citizenship in ~3 years... or just have a baby born in US
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11-22-2012, 11:31 PM
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how much is US citizenship worth if you had to put a price on it?
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11-23-2012, 12:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Printer Bandit
how much is US citizenship worth if you had to put a price on it?
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About tree fiddy.
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11-23-2012, 12:12 AM
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Lifer
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Flushing, NY
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Yes, there are many ways an illegal person can get a citizenship.
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11-23-2012, 12:12 AM
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Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: SoCal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gevorg
they can marry an American and get citizenship in ~3 years... or just have a baby born in US
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Not that hard considering you can knock up any drunk white girl at any bar on the weekends and become a citizen.
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11-23-2012, 12:27 AM
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Not legally or morally no.
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11-23-2012, 12:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quakester
Not legally or morally no.
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Not sure if I should lol or just  .
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11-23-2012, 07:05 AM
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Lifer
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Vote for Obama?
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11-23-2012, 10:11 AM
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Diamond Member
Join Date: Dec 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gevorg
they can marry an American and get citizenship in ~3 years... or just have a baby born in US
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Marriage may work, but chances are that they will have to leave the country to adjust their visa status and depending on how they originally entered the US (overstayed visa vs illegal entry) and how long they've been in the country illegally they may be barred from reentry for 10years. They can petition to get an exemption but that's very hit or miss.
The baby can't sponsor anyone until they are 21. It might it less likely that the parents will be deported but it won't grant them citizenship. And they will probably still face the 10year ban.
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11-23-2012, 10:13 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kami333
Marriage may work, but chances are that they will have to leave the country to adjust their visa status and depending on how they originally entered the US (overstayed visa vs illegal entry) and how long they've been in the country illegally they may be barred from reentry for 10years. They can petition to get an exemption but that's very hit or miss.
The baby can't sponsor anyone until they are 21. It might it less likely that the parents will be deported but it won't grant them citizenship. And they will probably still face the 10year ban.
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The first person who seems to actually know what they're talking about instead of just spouting stupid talking points! I knew someone could do it.
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11-23-2012, 10:16 AM
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Lifer
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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I knew someone who married a citizen and 3 years into the marriage still hadn't gotten citizenship. With everything that's going on, it's no shock that it's getting more difficult to get citizenship.
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11-23-2012, 10:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zerocool84
I knew someone who married a citizen and 3 years into the marriage still hadn't gotten citizenship. With everything that's going on, it's no shock that it's getting more difficult to get citizenship.
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3.5 years is about the absolute minimum that it would take if they sent in the documents as soon as they were able and there were no issues.
It takes about 6months to receive provisional permanent residency from when you submit.
Then after 2 years you have it adjusted to a regular permanent residency.
Then 90 days prior to the 3years from when the provisional permanent residency was granted they can apply from naturalization.
Naturalization process will probably take about 3-6 months.
This is a huge improvement from the mid-2000s, when INS was backlogged and taking up to 2-3years or more at each step.
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11-23-2012, 10:44 AM
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Diamond Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thraashman
The first person who seems to actually know what they're talking about instead of just spouting stupid talking points! I knew someone could do it.
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To be fair most citizens will never have to deal with the mess that is USCIS or immigration laws so it's not surprising. Even immigrants don't have to deal with them once they become citizens (other than if they were sponsoring family members).
I have a greencard but I got it through my dad when I was little so I never really paid attention to immigration issues until I had to get visas to work overseas.
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11-23-2012, 11:00 AM
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If they entered the country illegally, then it isn't possible without a pardon.
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11-23-2012, 12:43 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: GR, MI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kami333
To be fair most citizens will never have to deal with the mess that is USCIS or immigration laws so it's not surprising. Even immigrants don't have to deal with them once they become citizens (other than if they were sponsoring family members).
I have a greencard but I got it through my dad when I was little so I never really paid attention to immigration issues until I had to get visas to work overseas.
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I got bored and started reading about all the different Visas that the US has and different levels of citizenship. They had pretty much every single circumstance broken down into its own visa. They also had the answer to OP's question in big bold letters. "You would have to leave and enter legally." Which is the correct answer IMHO.
There should be no reward for breaking the law. And because it is law, it damn sure should have a penalty.
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11-23-2012, 01:11 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rudeguy
There should be no reward for breaking the law. And because it is law, it damn sure should have a penalty.
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We have places like LA where they won't impound unlicensed drivers cars because it unfairly targets illegals even though it goes against California State law.
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11-23-2012, 01:14 PM
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Diamond Member
Join Date: May 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zerocool84
unfairly targets illegals
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I lol'ed.
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11-23-2012, 02:13 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zerocool84
We have places like LA where they won't impound unlicensed drivers cars because it unfairly targets illegals even though it goes against California State law.
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/head asplodes
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11-23-2012, 02:20 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: GR, MI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zerocool84
We have places like LA where they won't impound unlicensed drivers cars because it unfairly targets illegals even though it goes against California State law.
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And this is why California should be sawed off and allowed to float away
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11-23-2012, 03:00 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Don't get caught. Going after illegal aliens is considered profiling and discrimination. So it's easy for illegal aliens to stay in this country.
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11-23-2012, 03:05 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Travelling, from Italy
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Regarding this, I wonder: can a foreigner open a company in US? Or a US citizen is required as owner?
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11-23-2012, 03:25 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rudeguy
There should be no reward for breaking the law. And because it is law, it damn sure should have a penalty.
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And yet, we penalize people who ARE trying to enter legally by making the process long, complicated, expensive, and difficult. Why? Because we already have plenty of illegal immigrants, so we're trying to stem the tide by issuing fewer visas...thus further incentivizing the illegal route. 
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11-23-2012, 03:35 PM
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Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: GR, MI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jagec
And yet, we penalize people who ARE trying to enter legally by making the process long, complicated, expensive, and difficult. Why? Because we already have plenty of illegal immigrants, so we're trying to stem the tide by issuing fewer visas...thus further incentivizing the illegal route. |
I don't think I have ever heard the government was trying to slow down legal immigration because of illegal immigration.
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